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Machine Crossbow
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DMG:18 DLY:130
Ranged Attack+18
Lv.69 RNG
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Build for Machine X bow?
# Feb 09 2007 at 7:35 PM Rating: Decent
230 posts
I heard of an interesting concept with this X bow.

RNG/WHM, Kirin's Osode, STR + MND build......

Anyone tried it?
2 questions
# Oct 25 2006 at 6:41 PM Rating: Decent
first question. how will this compare to Ebow/hellfire+1 if you have AF2 body, AF1 hat, and some hands that give rapid shot also

second question. would this be insanely good for soloing for the reason you can shoot bloody bolts really fast.

edit: the hands only work in besieged

Edited, Oct 25th 2006 at 8:47pm PDT by gampishi
# May 11 2006 at 9:07 PM Rating: Default
tp gain on this is crap
Debunking a few myths
# Jan 03 2006 at 5:37 AM Rating: Excellent
187 posts
I'm a Ranger 70 on Odin and I'd like to debunk a few of the myths and misconceptions about this bow.

Current price of this bow is about 4 million - roughly half the price of a Eurytos' Bow and about one third more than the Hellfire +1. Whether or not it's worth the gil is entirely dependent upon what you want to do with it. If you do decide you want one, be aware that this bow is an absolute pain to make and there are very few in circulation. You may have to look quite hard or wait quite a long time to find one for sale.

First, contrary to what other posts here say, this bow is *not* the best damage in an xp party situation. Ebow and Hellfire +1 comfortably leave it behind. Although your rate of fire is mad, weaponskills, Barrage and Eagle Eye Shot will all do much less damage than they would with a normal weapon, especially as you don't get added effect damage on any of those. While you can push the added effect damage quite high by going for a MND build, it's still never going to keep up with the Ebow/Hellfire +1 vs VT or IT xp mobs. I've experimented with a number of different ammo types and the closest I've been able to get the Machine Crossbow is about 85% of the damage Ebow + Kabura Arrows, by using Holy Bolts with a lot of MND.

Second, TP gain on this bow is not that impressive. Remember, TP gain per hit depends on weapon delay. You may get 11 TP per hit with a regular xbow, but with this, you'll be getting 7 or so. When you take account of the fact that Barrage with this will not fill up your TP to anything like the extent it would with another weapon, your overall TP gain is actually going to be slower.

Third, the bow is not actually that expensive to operate, compared with bow and gun. My damage tests have shown that for most mobs, Holy Bolts are far better damage from this bow than Darksteels, so you get to use cheap ammo. With the price of Kabura Arrows and Silver Bullets currently about 3x that of Holy Bolts, the cost over time works out more or less the same, if not actually slightly cheaper on the Machine Crossbow.

So... what's the bow actually good for?

First of all, it's an insanely weapon for pulling with. For grabbing mobs in an over-camped area with contested pulls, this seriously cannot be beaten. It's so fast that the aiming animation doesn't actually get a chance to finish before it fires. I've out-pulled other pullers using regular ranged weapons, or even throwing weapons, many times using this. Even on NM camping, this weapon is awesome. With the second or so delay on using job abilities on freshly spawned mobs, this weapon can actually outpull a provoke if you're fast enough. I got my Moldavite Earring thanks to this xbow, beating off a whole bunch of other casters.

Also, its damage seems to be higher than normal in Dynamis and it seems to keep up with, or even exceed, Ebow and Hellfire +1 there. I'm still fairly new to Dynamis, so I'm not entirely sure why this is... but the added effect on holy bolts seems to stack up a lot better there. In larger Dynamis runs where mobs are dying very quickly, this xbow is a good way to make sure you get in more than 1 or 2 attacks per mob.

Finally, it's also the best damage vs certain mobs with very high def. If you've fought Genbu, you'll know how hard it is to inflict physical damage on him, even using your most powerful weapons. With the Machine Crossbow, if you boost your MND a bit, the added effect from Holy Bolts will actually make your damage slightly less embarrassing.
RE: Debunking a few myths
# Jan 08 2006 at 3:28 PM Rating: Decent
The reason u do more dmg in dynamis with it is because in dynamis, all the mobs are dark based, therefore, the light dmg would do more ^^
RE: Debunking a few myths
# Jan 09 2006 at 9:14 AM Rating: Excellent
187 posts
Indeed. I've had the chance to test this further and the holy bolts definitely do more added effect damage in Dynamis, due to the mobs being darkness based. With no specific +MND gear (I need my racc in Dynamis), added effects are averaging 20-25 per hit, compared with 10-15 in an xp party.

Unfortunately, I've not yet run a parser on a Dynamis run, nor am I sure it would be a good idea to do so, so I can't give an exact Mbow vs Ebow vs Hellfire +1 comparison for Dynamis. I suspect the Mbow would still lag slightly behind on damage, due to the lower WS and barrage power, but the ability to get significantly more attacks in during a very short fight shouldn't be underestimated.
NM pulling?
# Dec 26 2005 at 1:05 AM Rating: Decent
20 posts
I imagine this would be great to pull a NM with
# Oct 28 2005 at 6:56 AM Rating: Decent
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This thing outdamages an E-Bow on DoT. The catch is that it snorts bolts the way Robin Willians snorted cocain in the 80's
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# Aug 28 2005 at 9:30 PM Rating: Decent
wat does ur woodworking skill need to be to hq this and wat hrd monsters can the rng solo with this?
# Aug 11 2005 at 7:57 PM Rating: Decent
578 posts
Has anyone tried subbing WHM, going for a MND build and spamming holy bolts with this ding dong? I'd imagine the addittional effect damage racks up pretty quick =/
sleep bow
# Mar 31 2005 at 12:11 PM Rating: Good
This bow is so rangers can solo hard stuff think about it you have 30 stacks of sleep bolts and you want to solo something hard. set a macro to continue tot fire and you are set.
practical? let's see what you think
# Mar 01 2005 at 5:48 PM Rating: Default
the damage/delay and damage per second rate on this thing (as well as the ranged attk +18) is absolutely freakin' insane, and you can fire arrows one after another! best crossbow ever right? well, i think you may have to look over that opinion.

delay 130. combine that w/ your bolt's delay (if you use holy or darksteel it's 192), = 222 delay. so you're firing bolts approximately every 2 and 1/5 seconds. that means that in a little over 3 and a half minutes you will have shot an entire stack of 99 bolts, which IMO isn't a very good thing. a solution to this problem? wait longer, and don't fire every 2.2 seconds! but wait, this arrises another problem. let's say you shoot once every 6 seconds as opposed to once every 2 seconds. let's also say you use a stack of darksteel bolts. you will be firing 68 damage every 6 seconds, which means your total damage per second will only be 11, plus the ranged attk +18.

overall, it looks nice, but it's unnecessary and IMO impractical. if you're gonna use a crossbow most of the time, stick with othinus's bow. use it with darksteel bolts, and you'll be dishing out 104 damage at a delay of 624, totalling 16 damage per second, plus the very same ranged attk +18. an extra 5 damage a second may seem like not much, but trust me, when you think about the amount of times you'll be shooting at your enemies, it adds up. also, by shooting every 6 and 1/4 seconds, you'll use up 99 bolts in approximately 10 minutes and 20 seconds ^_^
RE: practical? let's see what you think
# Oct 26 2005 at 11:15 PM Rating: Decent
74 posts
IMO... well, I think this is a really good crossbow for when you're soloing, not party cicumstances. I agree with your estimates on time with this x-bow. Right now I'm using an arbalest+1 (only 57 ranger) and I go through stacks of crossbow bolts very quickly. I really don't think that you would be using darksteel bolts with this crossbow though, except for when using your weapon skills. IMO you would just be using acid and holy bolts the whole time with this thing; Drop the defence down right before WS, and have high MND using holy bolts for the huge added effect damage you would be building up.
Heh, as a side note, I can just imaging the TP building fun if you were to be subbing /sam while using this... With my current crossbow, if I can hit steadily I will have about 150-200 TP when a thief is ready to start their SC (without me subbing samurai o_O) I'm not sure if I would be getting less TP because this has a shorter delay, but it seems to me that I could build it up at a monsterous rate. I'd take the loss of damage from using a large x-bow, if I could be doing Weapon Skills every 10 sec o_o
RE: practical? let's see what you think
# Mar 24 2005 at 1:25 AM Rating: Excellent
Sup Lefty, how's Hades treating ya? :P

192+130 isn't 222 btw. ;)

And this isn't for use of damage.
What a delay!
# Dec 08 2004 at 2:42 PM Rating: Good
44 posts
Lol the reload time on this is shorter than the time it takes for a DS bolt to reach the target. Delicious!
Instant death?
# Jul 19 2004 at 12:33 AM Rating: Good
If you have your marksmanship up, and this gun, man oh man, you would kill things so quickly. You'd probably run outta bolts quickly though.
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