I"m a lvl 75 drg and I have seen these things once I when I was lvl 67 and I wasnt allowed to lot on them cause we had a lvl 75 <.< w/e ya and also about the drk vs drg thing I will admit drk is an insaneeee dd I usually cant keep up and I"m a good drg with decent armor (yes I have a mezraq also) but with a brd my hits do over 200 and I have broken 2k in an exp prty with penta thrust (gotta love angon) so ya drk is a amazing dd I love to prty with them but no job sux it just matters how u use it and how u set up the prty drg/war usually loses to a drk/thf but a drg/war vs a drk/war the drg will probably win so it really just matters how you use the job
can anyone tell me what Relic armour i shoudl look for in each dynamis? I look for answers online but only found 3 peices of armour in 3 diff. dynamis's. Would very appreciate an answer thanx.
ok, im a 73 drg on the hades server, ok i almost always pt with drk knights or thievs, because i can open light for them for super damage. we way out damage drks for the fact that we are specialized in DoT, dark knight hits hard granted but they are mainly just there for that one big dmg burst in the ws. usually the drks in my pt hit on average 90-110 dmg per swing, when i hit for avg 100-125 per swing (not to mention the drk couldnt hit the broad side of a barn. and plus we out tp any other job (not including sam's meditate) when we have double thrust and jump i am up to 79% tp right at the end of a skillchain and mb.so.. dont think a drg as gimped. because we can out dmg and out tp.. we are just held back with the lack of a super power ws.. the best we got is penta which is about the equivalent of wheeling thrust on higher mobs.. but penta cant be used in a decent sc so thats why ppl think drg is gimped... but any drg/thf can keep up with a drg if the were to sata + wheeling thrust. lol and plus we can open both light and dark with wheeling thrust and impulse drive. and .. drg is the perfect sata partner... its not 100% that we are gonna turn the mob with voke+ws so dont voke and ws which keeps hate on tank.. then put thf behind drg to sata.. then the drg uses high jump or super jump to but the hate right back on the tank... noone else has that good of a job ability to just release hate so efficiently.. so keep drg in mind when looking for sata partners
nono i meant that penta cant be used in in a lvl 3 sc.. lol detonation and gravitation are good (i suppose) but with thf or drk ending sc with light or darkness dmg goes like this
Not contradicting you or anything, but I have done detonation and Gravitation for 200+ (On the SC animation) on ACCIDENT. Imagine what I could do on purpose :p Note* I didn't sub THF at this time, actually it was WAR near the 50's I'm talking about Penta if no one knows btw. Hope that helps, we CAN whoops ***, its just how you go about it :D
There was a very similar debate to this in the SMN forum with their AF gear. They have gear with the effect of
Avatar: Enmity-
Obviously, they don`t care if their Avatar gets beat on, until someone pointed out the colon. It`s not Avatar Enmity-, it`s Avatar: Enmity-. Meaning, when they have an Avatar out, the SMN gets Enmity-. I would assume this is exactly the same, when we have a Wyvern out our HP recovered while resting is +6.
There was a very similar debate to this in the SMN forum with their AF gear. They have gear with the effect of
Avatar: Enmity-
Obviously, they don`t care if their Avatar gets beat on, until someone pointed out the colon. It`s not Avatar Enmity-, it`s Avatar: Enmity-. Meaning, when they have an Avatar out, the SMN gets Enmity-. I would assume this is exactly the same, when we have a Wyvern out our HP recovered while resting is +6.
IMO, the worst piece of the DRG AF2 set.. sadly the only piece I have...
The Wyvern HP+6 While healing is nice.. but we don't really have to /heal to heal our Wyvern... they are good for soloing.
With this, the Leo Subligar, and Wyvern Mail JSE, you can macro in Wyvern HP+8 While healing... nice to have but the AF1 boots and Barone Gambeiras are better for fighting.
In my static, the DRG hits harder than the DRK but then againg the drg is a galka, and the drk is a taru, so u cant really meassure dmg between them if they are of different races, and IMO drg sux, I would rather choose a better DD like a galka DRK, or a mithran RNG. And u cant really rely on what a DRG has a to say on the matter cuz no1 is gonna tell u "I am a lvl 75 DRG but they suck, DRK is better" u have to hear what other ppl that have partied with a with different jobs have to say about how good or bad DD they are.
lol...when i was level 65 a blm in my exp pt decided to add up dmg of everyone in pt over a few battles....surpizingly enough the added up drg dmg and wyvern dmg did as much dmg as the blm at the end....and i have no biast opinions about drg or drk, im a smn myself and i know ill own both in the end ;) but yeah.....both jobs need to stop bashing each other cause both jobs are gonna tear the crap outta monb on light SCs.
Yes over the months of me playing this game Ive heard many bad things about DRG not being very good after lv 45. But what most people arent taking account of is the wyverns damage. Im lv 56 ATM and I have a DRK in my static He hits mobs we fight for 120-130 I hit 88-96 but my wyvern hits 70+ also and he rarely misses like me and the DRK do so is DRG really gimped?
DRG is extremely good after lvl 50 because like you said, the wyvern does hit for alot so you dont always have to hit mobs for alot of dmg. The wyvern will hit for alot.
Believe it or not, a properly equipped dragoon can keep up with almost any Dark Knight in DoT even WITHOUT wyvern summoned. My level 75 dragoon friend recently parsed his xp battles alongside an insanely well equipped 75 Drk/thf. W/o wyvern summoned, the dragoon was only doing 0.5% less damage than the Dark Knight, who was wearing over 30 million in equipment, SATAing his weaponskills, and is a very good Drk (before you all say he must have been gimped O.o). Dragoons may not do as much per hit, but their natural accuracy + good accuracy gear means they will hit more often than a similarly equipped (or better equipped) Dark Knight. Dragoon weaponskills are also not to be discounted ^.~ The wyvern is helpful but is really just icing on the cake, especially with many of the high level xp mobs, which use so many AoEs that it's usually not effective to summon a wyvern.
IMO Dragoon doesn't get enough credit... it's a versatile job that works well in parties, solos well, and is a lot of fun to play. It can DD, backup heal, MB its own skillchains (sometimes; pretty regularly after AF helm), and help with hate control/hate resetting.
Of course all of that won't get you a party invite with people who refuse to question the gospel of "Dragoon sucks."
Dragoons do get gimped, but thats because they could easily be too powerful. ... And SE probably felt that having just one below average class was better than lowering 3 or 4 other class's just to make it better.
There is nothing gimped or below average about Dragoons. pre or post 65. Don't believe everything you hear, and stop spreading false truths.
Word, nothing wrong with this job. there could be a few tweeks to make the job perfect, but any major changes would just make the job too good. Anyone who thinks Drg cant lay down the dmg has never run a parser, add that wyvern dmg and you'd be surprised. We skillchain very well, and Wheeling Thrust has been buffed up.
My only complaint is that against mobs with AOE it is very hard to keep a wyvern alive, not impossible but you have to work overtime to get it done. I wouldnt mind if we were allowed to feed them pet biscuits or if Drgs could target their own wyverns with spells.
Drgs are in no way "Gimped" anyone who has spent a decent amout of time with one and actually paid attention would know this. Every Job has strengths and weaknesses, drgs reputation has evolved from the job being too powerful and then when it was corrected everyone thought it was "gimped", Groupthink set in and ppl didnt bother to think for themselves and form an educated opinion.
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Posted:Nov 06 2004 at 8:17 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Dragoons do get gimped, but thats because they could easily be too powerful. It's very hard to balance them as they have a pet (which costs them nothing but their two hour), and have the second highest accuracy in the game.
I agree, SE has to deal with so much BS that in order to tame the masses they have to gimp this job or gimp that jobs. Sry to hear about the Rng's btw. Anyway, it is too bad that the days of the hmm.. the "Penta-Slammers" are gone, and that I never got to see it.lol Long live the DRG's!!!
Its not great for battle, but you can just macro it on for when you rest, changing armor does not affect TP--- It may be a foreign concept to some of you but as a rdm I have about 8 interchangable equipment all macroed onto different spells.
Resting Macro for Drg with this Line 1: /rest Line 2: /equip feet "Wyrm greaves"
anyone who has used spirit link and not had their wyvern up to full HP knows how annoying it is to sit.. and wait... so with this and the rest of the AF2/Relic set, your wyvern gets 6 more HP while resting AND has regen. Really convenient if you ask me.