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deflation ^^
# Sep 06 2007 at 6:04 PM Rating: Decent
just got 2 =D 160k each on lakshmi deflation ftw! =D
Lanten effect?
# May 16 2006 at 11:17 PM Rating: Decent
Does anyone think the +5 acc is a lanten effect? Like I think I put these on and I dont see my eva get -5 or 10 so :/ Idk... Maybe it does and I'm just retarded :(
RE: Lanten effect?
# May 18 2006 at 3:11 AM Rating: Decent
46 posts
You're thinking evasion skill.
+Evasion gear won't show any numerical value anywhere, but you'll notice it when you evade more. Same with -evasion.

For it to show you, you'd need gear that gives +Evasion Skill, like Evasion Earring and Torque.

Generally, +evasion skill is better than +evasion, though I'm not quite sure what the exact translation is between the two.
# Apr 18 2006 at 7:57 PM Rating: Decent
Dude on pheonix these are 1.3 mil and snipers are 1.7 mil inflation sucks and i just got dual woodsman rings XP
Parrying Skill :P
# Nov 08 2005 at 3:45 PM Rating: Decent
992 posts
Got these to assist me on Parrying Skill Up XD
sniper vs woodman
# Aug 23 2005 at 7:38 AM Rating: Decent
i rock 1 woodsman ring and 1 snipers ring, i think im planning on buying a second woodsman ring and sell my snipers.. on bahamut snipers are about 970k-1mil. and woodsman are 1.2 mil. once i get my scythe back from my buddy im selling it for my 1mil back adn at 71 i am selling my balmung for 3.5 mil back lol.. cant wait to be rolling in some cash again ^^
# Aug 16 2005 at 12:19 AM Rating: Decent
16 posts
Here's my take on the Woodsman vs Sniper debate:

Jobs who are good at evading would be better off with Snipers, and those who naturally have bad evasion should use Woodsman.

In other words, I'd use Woodsman as WAR, DRK, BST, or RNG.
RE: IMO...
# Feb 18 2006 at 11:37 PM Rating: Decent
yeah, these are terrible for rng, they have to sacrifice 6 racc for these, and its not worth it once your working with sidewinder. plus acc is good enough for rng even with -12acc
RE: IMO...
# Aug 29 2005 at 12:45 PM Rating: Decent
RNG should never use this or snipers unless you want to spend a few thousand for a lvl or two... RNG have better ranged acc+ rings every 10 levels... and this item is particularly good for any melee job that has a problem hitting ;/
My new rings :D
# Jul 20 2005 at 11:51 PM Rating: Decent
1,324 posts
Got my 2 new Woodsman Rings, and FINALLY get to sell these Sniper Rings.

IMO they are better than Snipers cause the whole -EVA is better than -10 DEF. When I xp pted I am equipped with ACC/DEX/ATTK/STR gear so there isn't any room for VIT or DEF items. When I'm buffered using my /war sub and Snipers my DEF drops to 88! ><

Edited, Thu Jul 21 00:51:26 2005
# Jul 07 2005 at 2:27 AM Rating: Decent
479 posts
Well I'm a MNK (As sig says) And I was thinking about these, then realized I'd prolly be better off with Snipers >_>. Counterstance makes any gear DEF adjustments not count (So DEF is just VIT/2), so I'd rather have Acc+5 and no minuses, than Acc+5 EVA-5
# Feb 08 2006 at 1:15 AM Rating: Good
158 posts
Yeah, but at the same time, the EVA -5 will help you to counter more. It has to be a hit to be countered, if you are evading more, you don't get hit as much, so less counters.

Pooter - Alexander
# Apr 05 2006 at 11:59 AM Rating: Decent
Pooter, ty soo much. your little post is the only one that makes sence. As i am a pld, my shield skill is ok but i want to get it up faster and get more skill-ups. if you minus evasion, then mob hits you more, and you use a shield to -block- enemy attacks. perfect sence. rate up.
ENM I'm coming!
# May 17 2005 at 9:26 AM Rating: Decent
Lol...as you can see it took quite a while considering my last Post but this week it´s finally the time!

The Setup we stated was going terribly wrong...

3 SMN and a RNG? **** that...

We did Holla and Mea yesterday and went as WHM,BLM,SMN,RNG,SAM and WAR! And what was it...defeated both on our first try and because of what...we haven´t been lazy like a lot of ppl and took our time to farm Psycho and Hyseroanimas for all 6 PT Members before we did Holla and Mea!
And what should I say...the Promys were a piece of cake...Holla Boss wasn´t even able to do his AoE even once because we had him contantly under Psycho and Hystero and he was dead before the 6th one was used! Same goes for Mea...farmed Animas for all 6 Members and we beat him with no difficulty at all...one Hystero came a bit too late and he was able to do Carousel one time and that was it XD used 2 Hi-Potions and then he was dead XD

WHM,BLM, WAR and SAM 2H still available...only SMN and RNG used their 2H!

On Friday we will do Dem and then go on with Phomiuna Aqueducts right after it and then its "Woodmans Ring you will be mine soon" :D
RE: ENM I'm coming!
# May 10 2006 at 10:40 PM Rating: Decent
LOL!!! Umm dude thats still the basic ideal party setup for doing promys the rest of the people are just meat shields while smns/rngs are the true damage, I beat all the promys like 3 times for other people basically solo'd dem since my pt wiped the first 25% of the mobs hp, mea straight up got tanked by a pld, and holla got tanked by a nin/?? war/nin (yes shadows but meh) while the other couple times we used anima we broke the record, imo anima makes them way to easy kinda makes the fight less fun, onto the rings, main is smn but working on thf atm, though shouldnt need +acc rings "if" i had to i would go for snipers, ehh yea -10 def hurts but as a thf when you get you get hit so +50 def really wouldnt matter, but the -5 evasion >< that hurts alot more imo for a solo'ing thf then -10def. Also anyone else get the song, "Smoke on the Water" in your head when you read the bcnm title "Fire in the Sky"? Maybe its just me >.>
Snipers vs. Woodsman
# May 10 2005 at 9:36 AM Rating: Decent
For anyone who's saying that the -EVA is better than -DEF, it really doesn't matter. As a DRK my defense is horrid anyways, so a further penalty doesn't hurt me any more. I'd actually rather have the evasion in the off chance that I might dodge an attack, because I'm going to take massive damage anyways, regardless of whether I'm wearing Snipers or not.

Now, I CAN see an argument for the Darkness resist though... I'm sick of "Too Weak" mobs sticking Sleep and Blind on me because I have -40 Darkness resist. XD

But for now, I can't see any reason to justify paying 2x as much for a pair of Woodsman's than 2 Snipers.
1 Mio? wish it would be on our Server...
# Mar 30 2005 at 4:42 AM Rating: Decent
Hi there^^

First thing

YAY for Alternatives! As I read about the Woodmans Ring a few days before the Update I was like "Wow, I probably wont have to get the 2 Snipers" and now I am like..."Wow...I definetely have to get the 2 Snipers and then switch them for 2 Woodmans Rings once I got them from the ENM and sell the Snipers to someone else"!

I am not one of those "lazy" ppl...were going to get Access to Tavnazia Safehold this Week! Im lvling my NIN ATM to at least 15 so I am of use in Promyvion...but were doing Promyvion with our LS Members only! And were going as PT...not as Alliance! And to be honest...we are going as WAR/NIN, WAR/NIN, SMN/WHM, SMN/WHM, SMN/WHM, RNG/NIN! Well its our LS Members only^^

We just want to finish it quick and with as less Deaths as possible!

And I guess it will work out fine with this setup xD

But I definetely have to get 2 Snipers before I can get the Woodmans Rings...but I will switch them for sure once we got Access to the ENM and get it on our own!

Woodman...you will be mine some time *really mean giggling*


And to post something that got something to do with the Headline of my Post...the first Woodman on Fairy went for 1 Mio...the 2nd for 1.5 Mio and now EACH one is going for 2 Mio... {/cry}
Alternatives YAY,
Greedy CoP players...go away xD
# Mar 25 2005 at 7:09 PM Rating: Default
[b][/b] WOOT!!!
I OWN 2 of theses!!! i love it freedom finnally from snipers!! **** snipers!! what what
# Mar 25 2005 at 7:19 PM Rating: Default
btw i forgot 1.5 mil a piece
# Mar 20 2005 at 10:00 AM Rating: Decent
You can easy get this item for FREE if you just do the ENM's.

Really? My PT will let me have it for free? =D

The price problem is because of players NOT Gilsellers because they can'tt sell the item unless you buy it. If you want an example just look at the 800 gilsellers that left FFXI. After that prices increased by more than they were before because more money was in circulation and players were willing to buy for more.

Pin From 500k->1mil
Leaping Boots 300k->550k
Kotes 700k->1.5mil
RE: Price
# Apr 21 2005 at 3:56 PM Rating: Decent
Prices arent high because ppl are lazy, they are high cuz most ppl dont have any other choice of getting them. Yes its tru ppl could "try" to get the items themselves, but its damn hard when theres ppl always there camping them and selling them for these outrageous prices. Im not sayin that its only the gilsellers fault ( even tho I really hate them),cuz we are the ones buying their stuff.but still, u have to admit that sum of the prices are freakin unbelieveable.
# Mar 17 2005 at 1:06 PM Rating: Default
174 posts
1. The choice between two mutually exclusive possibilities.
2. A situation presenting such a choice.
3. Either of these possibilities. See Synonyms at choice.
2. Usage Problem. One of a number of things from which one must be chosen.

What? You mean the definition of alternative is not "falls into my lap?" Damn. Do some work people. Stop being so lazy. These things wouldn't cost a million gil if more people went and did the quests to get them. Also, people wouldn't be paying those exorbitant prices either, knowing full well they could go get the item themselves.

Viva la adventure! ^^ b
RE: Alternatives
# Mar 17 2005 at 2:35 PM Rating: Good
358 posts
No, you're wrong. The reason so few people have access to Monarch Lynn isn't because "they're lazy"... Let's take a look at the stuff you need to do to get here;

Promyvions; where 75% of people are like "ZOMG WE NEED 3 RANGERS AND A SUMMONER", or they won't go, and those who have gone (primarily RNGs and SMNs) don't want to do it again because it's obnoxious and we get nothing for our time.

It's a joke for an organized team of skilled players even without an instant win team, but random pickup groups are usually scrubs.

Phomina Aqueducts / The Minotaur; I've rarely seen people shouting for this in Jeuno, and the only reason I have it done is because I have a rockin' LS. It's not easy by any means, even with a good group.

After that you just need to survive and get to the BC, which I heard wasn't bad at all. You still need to kill the ENM, which apparently (from what people have said) is a ***** and a half, and I doubt it always drops.

These cost a ridiculous price because they're new, they're freaking sweet, and they're not that common yet. It's also nowhere near as simple as the venerer ring quest, there's alot of hard prep work necessary, and it isn't just running around.

People pay these exorbitant prices because THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE WORTH. You can almost always "get the item yourself", but the thing that determines price is how hard it is to obtain.
RE: Alternatives
# Jul 31 2005 at 12:40 AM Rating: Decent
1,505 posts
Dainslaif, you have just explained the evil sense of Supply & Demand. Excellent post, all 100% true. Anyway:

With wanting SMNs and RNGs on promyvion, it's stupid when they do "{Promyvion - <?>} {Do you need it?} need 2 {Ranger} and {Summoner} {/tell} <me>." Just shout for a DD and it makes it MUCH easier. My experience with promyvion pts haven't been too well (although I'm now on PM3-3..). Most whenever I saw people shouting, I told them I had 3 animas and some shade gear (eventually sold >.>). They would often respond in {I'm sorry.} {Monk} {No thanks.}." Then I would ask 'Why not?' and they would say "Monks are useless in promyvion." I have one thing to say about that: {lie}.

Moral: If you want to get to higher/better areas, you have to give some leeway! Otherwise you may be stuck forever. Rate up, Dainslaif!
RE: Alternatives
# May 15 2006 at 8:53 PM Rating: Decent
632 posts
Lol I'd rather have a mnk/nin DD in promyvion than a war/nin. Hundred Fists w/ accuracy food is a lot more reliable than Mighty Strikes. Everyone says something like "Save 2 hours until the mob is at 20% " or they use it when they start dying.. Great. You 2 houred, hit the mob once or twice and died. WOOOT! I personally did the promys as THF, and yes, I had other lvl 30 jobs geared up and ready to go. I was doing splendid SATA Fast Blade damage, hate stayed pretty consistent. Hate control is one of those things that can easily cost you the fight in CoP battles. Also spamming acid bolts on the mob really seemed to help the melees do their full potential damage (except for Mea, which I used an arrow burn for). Everyone in my promys had RR items, so if I died as thf, I'd pick an opportune time, get up, and SA the ugly bastid before eating turf again. I instructed the blms to get up and immediately Drain if they died and the mob was nearly dead. Having a good strategy, not panicking, and knowing your job is a lot better than following someone else's guidelines for a capped fight.
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RE: Alternatives
# Mar 17 2005 at 5:36 PM Rating: Default
99 posts
It's people that don't do homework on items that think they're worth the crazy prices people buy **** for. Also, it doesn't help that people want something to be VERY easy or they won't do it. ENMs aren't EASY, but they aren't very hard either; just time consuming. The majority of people will say, "if I don't have a party that will kick *** in record time with no CHANCE of me dying, I'm not going to try." This is also the reason why the majority of people can't get there... unless you set it up, it's hard to get into a group without knowing them if you aren't a WHM, SMN, WAR/NIN, or RNG.

People ARE fecking lazy and most of the **** on the AH is NOT worth what people buy it for. People are lazy and don't think that anything that will take them more than an hour to do is worth doing. Astrals are god damn 650k each on my server... THEY DROP FROM A BC20 NOW GOD DAMNIT! How easy is it to get a job to 20? Two lvl 20 BSTs can duo this. WTF! (I'm leveling BST just for this reason...)

The bottom line is that people are lazy. MOST things aren't worth what they sell for. Look at Amemit Mantle. 10k for regular one, 800k for a +1. God damn I hate people...
RE: Alternatives
# Mar 17 2005 at 8:49 PM Rating: Default
Its true, When i start playing leaping boots were like 200-300k and it was freaking high! and now gilsellers are in and they control the AH, its not fair, We dont need to farm 3 month to get a damn piece of equipement, Its ok some things can cost a lot, its normal it depend on the rarety but I was able to get 1 million one day and I cant buy A freaking thing!!! Im sorry but i dont think it should be that high.

Who rule Vana'diel? Gilseller and high Lv who can do HMN and all the things! Its not fair!
RE: Alternatives
# Mar 17 2005 at 8:49 PM Rating: Decent
Its true, When i start playing leaping boots were like 200-300k and it was freaking high! and now gilsellers are in and they control the AH, its not fair, We dont need to farm 3 month to get a damn piece of equipement, Its ok some things can cost a lot, its normal it depend on the rarety but I was able to get 1 million one day and I cant buy A freaking thing!!! Im sorry but i dont think it should be that high.

Who rule Vana'diel? Gilseller and high Lv who can do HMN and all the things! Its not fair!
RE: Alternatives
# Mar 17 2005 at 6:39 PM Rating: Good
358 posts
People are willing to do things that aren't easy, but they're the minority, the majority is loud and *******

I do homework on my items, but I can't control the economy. Prices have gone up due to inflation and greedy players. Things that were once cheap are now expensive, but it's almost as easy to obtain the same amounts of wealth (comparatively).

Silk stack old price: 9k, new price: 24k
O. Kote old price: 500k, new price: 1.5 mil

Astrals drop from a BCNM 20, I've heard rates of 1/6 are not uncommon. That's 120 seals for a 600k item.

If you don't understand why Amemit Mantle +1 is high priced and the normal is not, you obviously don't do your homework on items.
RE: Alternatives
# Apr 28 2005 at 4:42 PM Rating: Decent
Just a note on the BC20 astral ring, I've done 21 BC20 with my party (Bst Bst Pld) and not one single astral yet -_-

We're just very unlucky, but still, seeing how it's pretty random and rare if you do get the drop, it makes sense the price has gone up, where as before, you could get it in the castle Oztroja coffer, but only needed to wait 30 mins for it to return. Sure, that's for THF, but still, the coffer rate was better the the BC rate, not everything is due to inflation and gil sellers
# Mar 17 2005 at 10:39 AM Rating: Decent
im still waiting for the +7acc one to appear....it will proll be 3-5mil ><
Of course
# Mar 17 2005 at 9:24 AM Rating: Decent
901 posts
Of course these are more expensive than snipers.


Because they are better.

Anyone (Except ninjas) would rather have the -5 Evasion over the -10 defense.
# Mar 17 2005 at 9:00 AM Rating: Decent
Anyone know if this is a Rare item? Two of these would be great^^
# Mar 17 2005 at 9:00 AM Rating: Decent
Edit: Ach! Double post.

Edited, Thu Mar 17 09:06:38 2005
# Mar 17 2005 at 3:30 AM Rating: Decent
81 posts
The first one of these went for 500k on Ramuh, and I ALMOST had it (bid 487k for it ; ;)

Anyways; the two ENMs this can be obtained from is the one in Monarch Linn (not too many have access to CoP Mission 2-5 I fear) and The Shrowded Maw (I think the mobs you have to farm to get items to trade for the ENM key item are kinda hard). I think the biggest problem will be to get 6 people with proper access and key items to gather. Also there's the chance it might not drop.^^
# Mar 17 2005 at 2:12 AM Rating: Decent
104 posts
Do you think this will bring down the prices on Sniper's Rings'?
# Mar 16 2005 at 8:00 PM Rating: Decent
4,209 posts
Its 1 mil because its NEW... all new items are expensive till they are around for a bit. Also alot of peopel still don't have not done Chapter 1.

You can easy get this item for FREE if you just do the ENM's.
we will still use snipers
# Mar 16 2005 at 7:21 PM Rating: Decent
sold for 1mil on Titan. so much for alternatives. all these new items are 1 mil+
Sniper's Ring, part 2
# Mar 16 2005 at 6:16 PM Rating: Good
Yay for alternatives!
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