Gallant Surcoat +1
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I tank exclusively in this, and love it. The stats are far better then the Valor Surcoat. Number 1 if your in a merit party and holding hate, then you need to get new DD's becuase that thing should be dead in about 30-40 seconds, or you just need to go out and get a Hauby. As for HNM's, and Gods, etc, the gear is strictly situational, since most things are tanked /NIN anyways, and you only need to stay alive long enough to get those shadows up. Also with the changes to Sentinal, and the shield blocking, You don't really need a whole lot of vit or defense because once you get hit a couple times, you got your other PLD curing you, or your 2-3 whm's healing you as well. But when tanking /NIN you really need all the hate you can get, but if your arguement is that the +1 emnity is a make or break thing for 1 piece of armor then you need to go back to tanking school. But like all PLD gear it's PURELY SITUATIONAL, and every tanking situation calls for a different piece of gear. You also can not compare tanking pre-75 exp parties to gods/hnm's. If you are then you too need to break your computer and go out and look at a basket of apples and oranges, and learn the difference.
plain and simple
valor > gallant+1 > gallant > koenig
valor has the enhanced cover that gives you MP, more enmity than all, and more HP than gallant
koenig is trash and is useful for no more than epeen. VIT isn't going to help you tank the big stuff and the HP on it doesnt outweigh the enmity loss.
trust me on this.
valor > gallant+1 > gallant > koenig
valor has the enhanced cover that gives you MP, more enmity than all, and more HP than gallant
koenig is trash and is useful for no more than epeen. VIT isn't going to help you tank the big stuff and the HP on it doesnt outweigh the enmity loss.
trust me on this.
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Bahamut sever : Paladin : Hume
Hp 1337 with full def gear.
Hp 1671 with Hp gear
Hp 1821 with food+ hp gear
MP: 402 = ALOT of cure IV's to help me keep hate.
1337 - a mamook hitting me for 80dmg
1257 + cure4 = full health and more Hate
refresh keeps ading more MP back
all the while 3 mnk/nins cant take hate from me while i go through
my hate routine.
This armor is better then valor surcoat for any situation.
Koenig is ALOT better for every situation except for XP.
and if you just wear this and have alot of other enmity + gear then your fine to use this during XP pty.
Hp 1337 with full def gear.
Hp 1671 with Hp gear
Hp 1821 with food+ hp gear
MP: 402 = ALOT of cure IV's to help me keep hate.
1337 - a mamook hitting me for 80dmg
1257 + cure4 = full health and more Hate
refresh keeps ading more MP back
all the while 3 mnk/nins cant take hate from me while i go through
my hate routine.
This armor is better then valor surcoat for any situation.
Koenig is ALOT better for every situation except for XP.
and if you just wear this and have alot of other enmity + gear then your fine to use this during XP pty.
I dont understand why some people are calling this trash. It has overall better stats than Valor and can be used in every situation, straight tanking, Kiting, /NIN ect.
I think this is probably the best all purpose body piece for PLD currently
I think this is probably the best all purpose body piece for PLD currently
I second Pawky, this is the best tanking body gear beside the Koenig Cuirass. ;]
(because of the Enmity bonus, I would even use it over the Koe if I had both)
(because of the Enmity bonus, I would even use it over the Koe if I had both)
3 posts
i cannot find any infomation on getting the +1 version.
how do i do it?
how do i do it?
http://ffxi.killvoid.com/page.php?id=392
this page has info on all AF+1 upgrades, except the ToAU new jobs (blu, cor and pup)
this page has info on all AF+1 upgrades, except the ToAU new jobs (blu, cor and pup)
10 posts
+ emnity does not make bad tank habits.
The fact is When EVERYONE in the pt out dmgs you and all you can do is toss a few cures and flashes you want them to COUNT! Macro all the emnity gear to 1 (ONE) macro called "Emnity" then put ur baddest def gear in 1 (one) macro called "DEF". "Emnity" b4 casts "Def" right after. anything you do use emnity, when your being punched defence. caution changeing too much HP gear alot is like cure costing you hp + mp. also a macro for magic def is good, all those little +ele things add up.
IM a 73 PLD and worry lots about being a good PLD. I Want this gallant+1 stuff. Really Koneig or Valor but as somone previously posted this is easier to get
The fact is When EVERYONE in the pt out dmgs you and all you can do is toss a few cures and flashes you want them to COUNT! Macro all the emnity gear to 1 (ONE) macro called "Emnity" then put ur baddest def gear in 1 (one) macro called "DEF". "Emnity" b4 casts "Def" right after. anything you do use emnity, when your being punched defence. caution changeing too much HP gear alot is like cure costing you hp + mp. also a macro for magic def is good, all those little +ele things add up.
IM a 73 PLD and worry lots about being a good PLD. I Want this gallant+1 stuff. Really Koneig or Valor but as somone previously posted this is easier to get
Well I got this fine piece of equipment a couple of weeks ago. I am extremely happy with it^^ Great piece of armor. I wish they had made slightly enhanced graphics for it. It would be nice if it looked just a little different from the normal version. No big deal though. So far it has served me well, and I am sure it will for a long time to come.
75PLD/39WAR/29NIN/28BLU/20RDM/17DRG/17COR/15MNK
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Missions: San D'Oria 8.2 CoP Completed!!!
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Cloth Craft:74.2 Fishing:24.5 Cooking:24.2
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I can see ACC > DEX and DEF > VIT and stuff like that, but ATK > STR is complete ******** ^^
This is the best body piece for EXP hands down. It even beats the Valor surcoat since it has the same def and +6VIT. If ever I get both the Gallant surcoat +1 and Valor surcoat, I will use the Gallant surcoat +1 full time and use the Valor surcoat only if I ever need to cover, or need the boost in emnity for kitting and of course walking arround town. Till then the Adaman cuirass beats the normal Gallant surcoat, because DEF is actually something good for PLD (some PLD are blinded by VIT and forget that DEF is better to lower your damage like accuracy is better then DEX, and attack is better then STR, and evasion is better the AGI).
I don't ever plan on getting Koenig since its like impossible to get. Even if I had it, I wouldn't wear it in an exp PT.
Edited, Fri Jan 27 09:43:42 2006
I don't ever plan on getting Koenig since its like impossible to get. Even if I had it, I wouldn't wear it in an exp PT.
Edited, Fri Jan 27 09:43:42 2006
This body piece is well worth it in my opinion. Many people pay millions of gil to do equipment upgrades that only add a few points to important stats. The truth is that this body piece for PLD is only surpassed by the Valor Surcoat+1 and Koenig Body. Valor being better for merit situations where you are tanking, and Koenig being better for HNM because of HP and VIT. Other than that this is the best middle road piece of equip for PLD. With the mix of HP, vit, defense, emnity and divine skill. This body piece can replace Adamant body completely for XP, and HNM situations.
People can sit there and talk about how much better the Valor Surcoat+1 or Koenig are, but how many PLD have you seen with Koenig Body? How Many have you seen with a regular Valor Surcoat, let alone the Surcoat+1. I have attained the pieces for this upgrade in just a couple months of doing Limbus runs with a good group of people, and I imagine with the rarity of Koenig Body drops and the chance of an LS Im in even getting the pull to get a chance. Or the rarity of the chance of the Valor Surcoat dropping in my Dynamis LS, and then the small chance that I would win the lot against the other PLDs in the LS. I would say that I will be very happy when I get this piece of armor, and will probably wear it for a very long time before I even get the chance at either of the other 2 items that are any better than this^^
I will be running around Leviathin proudly sporting this new piece of equipment as soon as I get the last 3kxp I need to get to level 74 ^^
People can sit there and talk about how much better the Valor Surcoat+1 or Koenig are, but how many PLD have you seen with Koenig Body? How Many have you seen with a regular Valor Surcoat, let alone the Surcoat+1. I have attained the pieces for this upgrade in just a couple months of doing Limbus runs with a good group of people, and I imagine with the rarity of Koenig Body drops and the chance of an LS Im in even getting the pull to get a chance. Or the rarity of the chance of the Valor Surcoat dropping in my Dynamis LS, and then the small chance that I would win the lot against the other PLDs in the LS. I would say that I will be very happy when I get this piece of armor, and will probably wear it for a very long time before I even get the chance at either of the other 2 items that are any better than this^^
I will be running around Leviathin proudly sporting this new piece of equipment as soon as I get the last 3kxp I need to get to level 74 ^^
75PLD/39WAR/29NIN/28BLU/20RDM/17DRG/17COR/15MNK
Paladin: AF Completed!
Genkei: 1,2,3,4, 5 completed! Maat defeated!!!!
Missions: San D'Oria 8.2 CoP Completed!!!
ZM 17 Sky access! Shiny Earring w00t!
Cloth Craft:74.2 Fishing:24.5 Cooking:24.2
Linkshell: Do you see the magic force that is gathering. Can you hear the roar that heralds its arrival. Feel the tidal force that is Arcanum!
Paladin: AF Completed!
Genkei: 1,2,3,4, 5 completed! Maat defeated!!!!
Missions: San D'Oria 8.2 CoP Completed!!!
ZM 17 Sky access! Shiny Earring w00t!
Cloth Craft:74.2 Fishing:24.5 Cooking:24.2
Linkshell: Do you see the magic force that is gathering. Can you hear the roar that heralds its arrival. Feel the tidal force that is Arcanum!
Before any1 bump's this and says this isnt good for XP parties or even gods or HNM's for that think about it.... most pld's lvl 73+ wear Adaman Armor Which stats include MP +8 Vitality +4 Mind +4 Enmity +3... this armor has HP+20 and if any1 knows anything about HP duh we pld's need it not MP unless ur Galkan :P, Vitality +6... who said 1 extra Vitality didnt help is a dumb@$$, Divine Magic Skills +10 is also bad@ss compared to what MND +4?... this armor does have 1 less enmity which doesnt hurt at all especially when ur XP armor u usually party with ='s +23 enmity (merits rock)...
who ever said this isnt good is a ******, only armor that may be better is Keonig/kaiser but even then in XP parties it sucks cause no enmity(even though some will say CHR helps hold hate; even when SE has said it does not, just boosts ur killer effect and a few other abilities),
owww and if u think Valor Surcoat or Valor Surcoat+1 is better then u might have a good argument when it comes to more hate but then again no vitality for a PLD... hmmm.... also i would like to ask is any1 here 73+ PLD cause from what i see no... so please dont comment on PLD armor if ur not applicable to use and comment on ur own AF+1 gear *^.^* thx
who ever said this isnt good is a ******, only armor that may be better is Keonig/kaiser but even then in XP parties it sucks cause no enmity(even though some will say CHR helps hold hate; even when SE has said it does not, just boosts ur killer effect and a few other abilities),
owww and if u think Valor Surcoat or Valor Surcoat+1 is better then u might have a good argument when it comes to more hate but then again no vitality for a PLD... hmmm.... also i would like to ask is any1 here 73+ PLD cause from what i see no... so please dont comment on PLD armor if ur not applicable to use and comment on ur own AF+1 gear *^.^* thx
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This would have been a fine upgrade if a Pally could obtain it at say lvl 65 but that's not gonna happen. Yes it would be a little better for exp parties except that at lvl's 74+ your not gonna do much of that and the other gear you already have will work fine for that. That leaves HNM's and Dynamis. You show up to one of these event's with this on...well...um... As for the HP+20? If your using 2 Pigeon Earring +1's and a Gigant Mantle like I was, +20 HP isn't that much of a boost either. What does that leave for an end game Pally? The Crimson and Keonig set's and maybe an O'hat......same as it was 2 years ago..../sigh. :(
Oh ya <----lvl 74 Paladin.
Oh ya <----lvl 74 Paladin.
When did anyone in this thread say this armour wasn't good? I (PLD 75) certainly didn't. It *is*, however, one of the least significant AF upgrades available. I have all the items necessary for the upgrade and I'm not going to do it, because 30 Ancient Beastcoins would be better spent elsewhere, or perhaps even better sold. 10 million gil still goes pretty far, and that's what you'd effectively be paying for this; unless you already have every AH-able gear you want, there are more efficient ways to spend your gil than on this particular upgrade.
maybe nobody in thie *thread* said surcoat isn't good, but in the past two years of playing... i'd say 95% of people have told me that it's worthless.
Dude what are you talking about? This +1 version has only been around since when, the October update? What are you talking about nut?
Hit 71 Pld tonight btw. I know I'm not good enough yet to make comments since I can't wear it, but that's not about to stop me from running my mouth.
Hit 71 Pld tonight btw. I know I'm not good enough yet to make comments since I can't wear it, but that's not about to stop me from running my mouth.
I agree with the arguments, but somebody is TOTALLY jaded... :P
OK, so then, the next question. How do you get this. I have a long way to go to get there, level 46 at the moment. It would be nice to know. I do think you need to have the original AF though to get this.
Items that drop in Limbus let you upgrade your AF to the +1 version. This particular item (and the Gallant +1 set in general) is a little underwhelming, but many of the other AF sets get quite significant improvements.
Underwhelming? Most people still use their Surcoats endgame, so how can you say that adding 8 more defense and 2 more vit to be anything than a godsend?
Underwhelming in the sense that it's a very minimal upgrade over the original. Compared to the enormous stat boosts that some other AF +1 sets get, the Gallant +1 set is disappointing. This is most likely *because* the original Gallant armour is so solid to start with, but it doesn't change that there's not any huge reason to upgrade here.
8 posts
Bump! Well said. :)
Because 8 def and 2 vit won't do crap in xp, let alone against an HNM. This is more like giving it a nice trip to the dry cleaners. Looks nice, but that's it :P
Haven't heard of or seen this thing wouldn't it be Valor Surcoat +1?
There are also relic +1 out. You get them via Old (insert relic name here) in the new Dynamis areas, which also happen to have the old relic pieces as well.
I think I saw -relic- -1 though as well somewhere, and I think it has something to do with getting the +1, so sorry I can't help there, but go to somepage, they have it there.
Regardless, the AF +1 has better improvements then the relic +1 has, and I mean compared to the originals respectively.
However its still an upgraded version and thats always good.
I think I saw -relic- -1 though as well somewhere, and I think it has something to do with getting the +1, so sorry I can't help there, but go to somepage, they have it there.
Regardless, the AF +1 has better improvements then the relic +1 has, and I mean compared to the originals respectively.
However its still an upgraded version and thats always good.
Valor is the AF2, this is the AF1 body +1
Because we all know Holy is going to save the day.
Flash is Divine Magic and it saves the day quite often. I don't know how the extra skill would effect it, but it can't hurt.
14 posts
It would probably make the blind effect last longer.
The higher the skill, the lesser chance you have of being interrupted. ((Yes, it happens. All it takes is a surprise weapon skill.))
Rumor also has it that the better your Flash is (Ie, the lasting longer part), the more hate it generates, but I haven't tested that out yet.
Rumor also has it that the better your Flash is (Ie, the lasting longer part), the more hate it generates, but I haven't tested that out yet.
8 posts
If the stats on the Gallant Surcoat +1 were
DEF:70 HP+50 VIT+15
Divine magic skill +10
Enimity+10
I might actually be incline to come back to FFXI. As it stands, this is a crap peice of gear for a lvl 74-75 Paladin. Sorry, not impressed! :(
DEF:70 HP+50 VIT+15
Divine magic skill +10
Enimity+10
I might actually be incline to come back to FFXI. As it stands, this is a crap peice of gear for a lvl 74-75 Paladin. Sorry, not impressed! :(
Equipment switch macro for Flash when you're casting. The Divine magic+ helps even I know that and I don't have PLD above 10.
Scholar
37 posts
Except that smart Paladins don't equip swap often (if ever). Their healers will lose target from it and that can cause unnecessary deaths.
Edited, Sun Jan 8 09:35:59 2006
Edited, Sun Jan 8 09:35:59 2006
9 posts
don't do it often?? i don't think i ever have... what's to swap when all u need to worry about is vit and defense..... maybe sometimes enmity.. but good plds don't need that
Good Paladins don't need Emnity? That's hilarious. It's amazing how much +2 Emnity lets you keep hate. That's why little things like Benediction and big SATA weapon skills rarely steal my hate.
More Paladin Emnity = More Damage Dealers can let loose = Less Fight Duration = Less Healing Needed = More Exp/hr
More Paladin Emnity = More Damage Dealers can let loose = Less Fight Duration = Less Healing Needed = More Exp/hr
Could you please rephrase your post in English?
*Referring to message below*
Edited, Fri Feb 10 17:28:18 2006
*Referring to message below*
Edited, Fri Feb 10 17:28:18 2006
don't use +enmity to have ****** tank habbits... it won't get you by in HNM
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