Decided to try this in hopes of Light Spirit. Well walked in, buffed up, pulled out Titan just in case.
Tried the "chest is trasperant" LOL, all were lined in red. Decided on small chest, attacked it, Astral Ring and Soldiers Ring.
I'm happy!
Treasure and Tribulations
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Battle NotesTo begin, trade 50 Beastmen Seals to Shami at (H-8) in Port Jeuno in order to obtain the Rare/Ex item Comet Orb. Upon receiving the orb, make your way to the Balga's Dais zone located in the Giddeus dungeon. Be advised that only three players can enter the battlefield, that their levels will be capped at level 50, and that there is a 30 minute time limit that starts the moment the orb trader enters the battlefield. Upon entering the battlefield, you will find three treasure chests (Large Box, Medium Box, and Small Box) in the center of the room. When one chest is opened, the other two will disappear.
StrategiesThe most common strategy in doing this BCNM is to utilize the roulette method, which is basically just to choose one chest and hope that luck is on your side, since popping the right chest will result in an instant win. If a mimic is spawned, the player will either try escaping using a Warp Cudgel, a Scroll: Instant Warp, or the Warp I spell, or, if using the method of going in on a level one job, just dying. However, it is possible to beat the BCNM with a small group via killing the mimic spawned if the "lucky" chest isn't opened. However, this often requires planning and preparation ahead of time to win, as the group must go in with every intention of defeating a mimic should they fail to open the "lucky" chest. Red Mage and Ninja method A simple, straightforward method, though easily the longest one used, the Ninja will fight the mimic while the Red Mage cures and buffs the Ninja, while helping to enfeeble the mimic. The mimic's Death Trap ability as well as its Draw-in effect will often result in the Red Mage being hit a few times, so it is advised to keep Stoneskin, Blink, and Phalanx up as much as possible to survive. Black Mage method This method basically culminates a full contingent of Black Mages casting the Freeze Ancient Magic on the mimic soon after it spawns. This page last modified 2008-04-03 02:49:53. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
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I ran a test of mine on this BCNM for the past few days....
I just want to verify there is abosolutely no way to tell which is a Mimic and which is real. Despite what anyone says. If they think they know a way they're just extremely lucky.
Why you ask?
Because they are all Mimics; all 3 of them. It's just if you pick the right Mimic the Chest will Spawn, or "Armory Crate" rather.
I have video to prove it. :/ Unfournately I cant find a free host to take it. Try PMing and Ill try to send it.
WTF was up with your music choice? Nice vid tho, I had an error message tho when using WinZip... I could view it but not save it. Oh well... still got to see it tho.
Dumb question I know but, everyone talks about "picking" the lock, what if you can't pick locks? What key do I need? If no key, what do I need to do to be able to pick it?
I haven't done this one myself, and I might pretty soon since my old characters has 240 Beastman Seals. ^^
I'm pretty sure they mean 'Select' instead of 'Pick'. Just run up and select a chest and if you're lucky you won't have to fight anything.
I'm pretty sure they mean 'Select' instead of 'Pick'. Just run up and select a chest and if you're lucky you won't have to fight anything.
Ok, thanks. I am in same boat, I have an old character with 155 seals I had been wondering what to do with. Not having to be a THF will make it much easier for him to get there.
i must thank this change >.<
was halfway to O.Kote (300k/600k), and decided to give this a go.
picked the small chest, and got the ring ! ^^
sold the ring and got the kote soon after
was halfway to O.Kote (300k/600k), and decided to give this a go.
picked the small chest, and got the ring ! ^^
sold the ring and got the kote soon after
Ok...
One, if you pick a mimic... do the other chests disappear? Or can you run for them?
Two, can't you go as a low-level char since if you pick a mimic... you're either dead or running? Just take a low class, not even try to fight, and just die and HP if you guess wrong?
One, if you pick a mimic... do the other chests disappear? Or can you run for them?
Two, can't you go as a low-level char since if you pick a mimic... you're either dead or running? Just take a low class, not even try to fight, and just die and HP if you guess wrong?
Decided to give it a try after saving up 50 seals, headed over to the burning circle.
Went in, a friend of mine told me to pick the one on the far right, so i picked the one on the far left (small box).
And i won! :D
Unfortunatly, all i got was a medicine ring, a chunk of gold ore, and ~2k. Oh well.
Went in, a friend of mine told me to pick the one on the far right, so i picked the one on the far left (small box).
And i won! :D
Unfortunatly, all i got was a medicine ring, a chunk of gold ore, and ~2k. Oh well.
yeah, I had 50 seals lying around yesterday, and I needed some gil for my dark staff, so I gave this a try...guessed correctly and got the gil, a shinobi ring, and an astral ring. The risk/reward on this BCNM is huge, and I got extremely lucky. Wouldn't reconmend it if you're faint at heart.
I've done this BCNM 4 times now. I chose it because it's the only one I can solo with my current jobs, and because I got tired of everybody else getting to do BCNM while I was left on the wayside.
My strategy was to go in as NIN/ so I could have |Mijin Gakure| ready while |Utsusemi| gave me time to use it. I chose the medium box all 4 times.
On my first attempt, I tried everything possible to tell the 3 chests apart, and could discern no differences. It is my belief that the people who stated they could tell a difference were not telling the truth. Perhaps they *thought* they could tell them apart and then proceeded to get lucky. Result of first attempt: Mimic, |Mijin Gakure|.
Second attempt, same as the first. Put up |Utsusemi|, smacked the medium chest, got a mimic, used |Mijin Gakure|.
Third attempt, put up |Utsusemi|, smacked the medium chest, found an Armoury Crate. Popped it for a Sorceror's Ring (2.5k) and an Astral Ring (400k now that |Castle Oztroja| coffers no longer contain it). Since I didn't need to use |Mijin Gakure| I hoofed back to Windy, warped to |Jeuno|, and picked up a fourth orb.
Fourth attempt, put up |Utsusemi|, smacked the medium chest, found an Armoury Crate. Popped it for a Platinum Ring (60k) and a Scroll of Raise II (200k).
I'm pretty sure that my results are not typical, and that more people have come out dead or with crap than made away like the bandit that I am. But for me, 660k for 200 seals seems like a fair deal. I didn't have to worry about bringing along people I didn't completely trust, or buying a bunch of meds so that I wouldn't die.
On a related note, does anybody have any information on the |Balga's Dais| BCNM50 named Rapid Raptors (or was it Rabid Raptors...I forget)? It sounds like a pain, but since I'm not a BCNM job (read: WHM, RNG, RDM, DRK, BLM), I have no desire to attempt it blindly.
My strategy was to go in as NIN/ so I could have |Mijin Gakure| ready while |Utsusemi| gave me time to use it. I chose the medium box all 4 times.
On my first attempt, I tried everything possible to tell the 3 chests apart, and could discern no differences. It is my belief that the people who stated they could tell a difference were not telling the truth. Perhaps they *thought* they could tell them apart and then proceeded to get lucky. Result of first attempt: Mimic, |Mijin Gakure|.
Second attempt, same as the first. Put up |Utsusemi|, smacked the medium chest, got a mimic, used |Mijin Gakure|.
Third attempt, put up |Utsusemi|, smacked the medium chest, found an Armoury Crate. Popped it for a Sorceror's Ring (2.5k) and an Astral Ring (400k now that |Castle Oztroja| coffers no longer contain it). Since I didn't need to use |Mijin Gakure| I hoofed back to Windy, warped to |Jeuno|, and picked up a fourth orb.
Fourth attempt, put up |Utsusemi|, smacked the medium chest, found an Armoury Crate. Popped it for a Platinum Ring (60k) and a Scroll of Raise II (200k).
I'm pretty sure that my results are not typical, and that more people have come out dead or with crap than made away like the bandit that I am. But for me, 660k for 200 seals seems like a fair deal. I didn't have to worry about bringing along people I didn't completely trust, or buying a bunch of meds so that I wouldn't die.
On a related note, does anybody have any information on the |Balga's Dais| BCNM50 named Rapid Raptors (or was it Rabid Raptors...I forget)? It sounds like a pain, but since I'm not a BCNM job (read: WHM, RNG, RDM, DRK, BLM), I have no desire to attempt it blindly.
I've been saving up these seals for a while and never got into a BCNM party, from my experience PLDs aren't sought after for these, so I decided to clean up my safe and finally put these to use. I lucked out and picked the right box 4/6 times. In addition to 1,000gil each success. I got 2 items.
First success:
Scroll: Freeze <5k>
Rogue's Ring <80-100k>
Second: <crap>
Petrified Log <5k>
Soldier's Ring <gARbAgE>
Third:
Scroll: Quake <200k-130k due to undercutting>
Guardian's Ring <worthless but I can macro it
into Shield Bash>
Fourth:
Astral Ring <300k-350K>
It's a gamble, you can get lucky or not, so if you feel like doing this one, just realize that you can come out with big winnings or virtually nothing, so don't take it to heart. My technique was always to pick the small box, so my odds were at least getting 2 right. I switched to WHM/BLM cast blink/stoneskin, and when a mimic would pop I'd just warp out before it could do any harm.
On a side note, the orb appears to be intact after I warped out, I thought it could be reused, and failed, it is indeed cracked, so once entering the BC and leaving toss it before you grab a new one and go back.
Good luck!
First success:
Scroll: Freeze <5k>
Rogue's Ring <80-100k>
Second: <crap>
Petrified Log <5k>
Soldier's Ring <gARbAgE>
Third:
Scroll: Quake <200k-130k due to undercutting>
Guardian's Ring <worthless but I can macro it
into Shield Bash>
Fourth:
Astral Ring <300k-350K>
It's a gamble, you can get lucky or not, so if you feel like doing this one, just realize that you can come out with big winnings or virtually nothing, so don't take it to heart. My technique was always to pick the small box, so my odds were at least getting 2 right. I switched to WHM/BLM cast blink/stoneskin, and when a mimic would pop I'd just warp out before it could do any harm.
On a side note, the orb appears to be intact after I warped out, I thought it could be reused, and failed, it is indeed cracked, so once entering the BC and leaving toss it before you grab a new one and go back.
Good luck!
I wasn't expecting to pick the right chest. I did though. All I got was a Tamer's Ring and a Manticore Hide along with 1100 gil. What a waste of an orb... oh well.
I'm pretty sure raise 3 doesnt drop here, i doubt lightspirit and regen 3 do either.
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Can anyone confirm Raise III drops?
yes, can anybody plz confirm Raise III drop?
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Picked the middle box, I won a Fencer's Ring and an Astral ring.
Nulla is grinning to herself...
Nulla is grinning to herself...
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Took Nin up checked over all 3 for simularities only difference i found was the 2 were transparent when looked at from the inside and one was solid. I picked the solid one and it was right! Was my first time doing this.
Scroll: Quake = 150k
Kyphon Ring = 2k
I made off pretty good considering the only other thing worth more is Raise III and that goes for 500k. Anyways gl with this BCNM hope i helped
Scroll: Quake = 150k
Kyphon Ring = 2k
I made off pretty good considering the only other thing worth more is Raise III and that goes for 500k. Anyways gl with this BCNM hope i helped
I did the BCNM that way as well, and for my first time it was the small box that was legit.
Only got a Scroll of Freeze and a Tamer's Ring from that, including 1k gil. That's only 8k total.
I'll do another run and see if I can hit the jackpot ^^;
EDIT: Second run I kicked the bucket, but the third run I got a platinum ore and a platinum ring ^^
Edited, Mon Dec 13 17:30:11 2004
Only got a Scroll of Freeze and a Tamer's Ring from that, including 1k gil. That's only 8k total.
I'll do another run and see if I can hit the jackpot ^^;
EDIT: Second run I kicked the bucket, but the third run I got a platinum ore and a platinum ring ^^
Edited, Mon Dec 13 17:30:11 2004
Seriously?... hmm... I gotta check it out for myself.
I was successful 3/4 times its cool as long as you dont mind losing xp take a job you care nothing about
i just beet it as a lvl 30 rdm... got 1376 gil fencers ring and a darksteele ore
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"Note to self; do not attempt to run away if you happen to choose the wrong one" he thought to himself as he was drawn in for the third time and utsusemi wore. After being hit for 394 damage out of 420 he hit his Mijin Gakure macro and sighed with relief outside Port Jeuno Residential Area...
Nope! Not trying that one again! ><
Nope! Not trying that one again! ><
Scholar
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I made this BCNM before Delete my Old Character from Pandemonium server (I'm in Fairy server).
... lose ... :(
This is the video of the quest -> http://www.tarutaru.it/img/DOWNLOAD/Ciche_BCNM50.zip (18Mb).
I didn't know what I did if I Won this BCNM with money ...
... lose ... :(
This is the video of the quest -> http://www.tarutaru.it/img/DOWNLOAD/Ciche_BCNM50.zip (18Mb).
I didn't know what I did if I Won this BCNM with money ...
Actually this question started from the post about the NIN 2 hour. Why doenst a PT of maybe one other character and a NIN go do this. If they pick the wrong chest the NIN can use his two hour killing himself but also the mimic. This leave the other character to grab the loot.
Would this work?
malcolinus
gilgamesh
55RDM/BLM27
Would this work?
malcolinus
gilgamesh
55RDM/BLM27
Ninja 2hr does kill the ninja, and it does a LOT of damage to the mob, but not 100%. I HIGHLY doubt it would do 2000-5000 damage on a mimic. maybe up to 500 or so.
The question is why doesn't just 1 ninja do this, and if he picks the wrong one, 2hr. if he picks the right one. nifty nifty, got a bunch of gil and prizes all to himself.
The question is why doesn't just 1 ninja do this, and if he picks the wrong one, 2hr. if he picks the right one. nifty nifty, got a bunch of gil and prizes all to himself.
Ok, my friend informed me of a perfect strategy for this, assuming you have NIN leveled to 12+ and have Ustsusemi.
Use silent Oils and Tonko Ichi to get yourself through Giddeus (if your NIN is too low to waltz through un-aggroed).
Once you get inside the BC, put up Utsusemi.
Then, if you guess the wrong chest, you will have time to use Mijin Gakure to kill yourself (at no xp loss) and get a free ride home.
Just make sure you have your 2-hour ready lol
Use silent Oils and Tonko Ichi to get yourself through Giddeus (if your NIN is too low to waltz through un-aggroed).
Once you get inside the BC, put up Utsusemi.
Then, if you guess the wrong chest, you will have time to use Mijin Gakure to kill yourself (at no xp loss) and get a free ride home.
Just make sure you have your 2-hour ready lol
Formerly Valhallodin of HouseAtreides on Caitsith
Caitsith - San d'Oria - 75SAM - 75RNG - 65WAR - 45THF - 44PLD - 40NIN - 36BLU - 30DRG
Caitsith - San d'Oria - 75SAM - 75RNG - 65WAR - 45THF - 44PLD - 40NIN - 36BLU - 30DRG
Hey guys, I am thinking the odds of guessing right in this one are better than 1/3. I just did it three times, picked the Large Box all three times, and won all three times. Sure I got total crap for the prizes, but still won.
Now, if the odds are 1/3, the chances of winning 3 times in a row is 1/27, or 3.7%. I doubt I am that lucky, especially considering my NM drop record.
Now, if the odds are 1/3, the chances of winning 3 times in a row is 1/27, or 3.7%. I doubt I am that lucky, especially considering my NM drop record.
Formerly Valhallodin of HouseAtreides on Caitsith
Caitsith - San d'Oria - 75SAM - 75RNG - 65WAR - 45THF - 44PLD - 40NIN - 36BLU - 30DRG
Caitsith - San d'Oria - 75SAM - 75RNG - 65WAR - 45THF - 44PLD - 40NIN - 36BLU - 30DRG
What drops did you get from this? I see whats available, but what did YOU get?
Might want to retake that Probability & Statistics class.
The success rate is 1/3 over a time span of infinity. You happened to get a bunch of successes right off, and then stopped sampling. For every person like you, the odds are that there are two who have done this three times and have had no successes.
The success rate is 1/3 over a time span of infinity. You happened to get a bunch of successes right off, and then stopped sampling. For every person like you, the odds are that there are two who have done this three times and have had no successes.
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Might want to retake that Probability & Statistics class.
Might want to retake it yourself. I also recommend Flaming 101 where you'll learn that you should make sure you know what you're talking about before you start putting people down.
What he said was correct, the probability of him winning 3/3 is (1/3)^3 = 1/27. And yes, I do think you were just lucky Valhallodin. ^_~
Better lucky than good for this one I'd say! :P
Formerly Valhallodin of HouseAtreides on Caitsith
Caitsith - San d'Oria - 75SAM - 75RNG - 65WAR - 45THF - 44PLD - 40NIN - 36BLU - 30DRG
Caitsith - San d'Oria - 75SAM - 75RNG - 65WAR - 45THF - 44PLD - 40NIN - 36BLU - 30DRG
I never took probability and statistics. And the point wasn't to spit out a bunch of correct math, it was to say that the odds of winning 3 times in a row are not very good.
Besides, if you are so freakin' smart, why don't you tell us all the odds of winning this three times in a row. :P I wanna know whether or not to head to Vegas this weekend.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/math/probas.html
probability of picking correctly the first time = 1/3. Probability of picking right next time = 1/3. Third time = 1/3.
1/3 * 1/3 * 1/3 = 1/27.
Also notice (1/3)^3 = 1/27.
Edited, Wed Nov 17 04:20:08 2004
Besides, if you are so freakin' smart, why don't you tell us all the odds of winning this three times in a row. :P I wanna know whether or not to head to Vegas this weekend.
http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/math/probas.html
probability of picking correctly the first time = 1/3. Probability of picking right next time = 1/3. Third time = 1/3.
1/3 * 1/3 * 1/3 = 1/27.
Also notice (1/3)^3 = 1/27.
Edited, Wed Nov 17 04:20:08 2004
Formerly Valhallodin of HouseAtreides on Caitsith
Caitsith - San d'Oria - 75SAM - 75RNG - 65WAR - 45THF - 44PLD - 40NIN - 36BLU - 30DRG
Caitsith - San d'Oria - 75SAM - 75RNG - 65WAR - 45THF - 44PLD - 40NIN - 36BLU - 30DRG
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lmao ....
i actually just finished "Probability and mathematical Statistics" and 1/27 is correct :P.
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Hoadley ~ 63MNK (Gilgamesh)
i actually just finished "Probability and mathematical Statistics" and 1/27 is correct :P.
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Hoadley ~ 63MNK (Gilgamesh)
I read a while back that there was a way to tell which was a mimic, and which wasn't. Well I couldn't tell the difference from the chests except they were different sizes.
I went in as my WHM because I had xp to spare. I buffed up (Stoneskin, blink, etc). After giving up hope on telling them apart, I picked the middle one and casted bind on it. I figured it would give me the seconds I needed to cast warp ( /blm ). Well the chest resisted the spell... and it sat there... and sat there... and I figured that maybe I had to get close for the mimic to aggro. Nope, it was a chest.
Got a Medicine Earing (5K on Garuda) and a scroll of Quake (120K on Garuda). Since I am currently a lvl 50 blm, I sure as hell kept that scroll.
I went in as my WHM because I had xp to spare. I buffed up (Stoneskin, blink, etc). After giving up hope on telling them apart, I picked the middle one and casted bind on it. I figured it would give me the seconds I needed to cast warp ( /blm ). Well the chest resisted the spell... and it sat there... and sat there... and I figured that maybe I had to get close for the mimic to aggro. Nope, it was a chest.
Got a Medicine Earing (5K on Garuda) and a scroll of Quake (120K on Garuda). Since I am currently a lvl 50 blm, I sure as hell kept that scroll.
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I've never done any BCNM, so this was a new experience for me. As 50 sam, i went and attempted to see through the mimics, by doing what it says above. I tried sitting next to them and seeing if light was coming out, but that did not work out, so i decided i'd check if there were tongues.... not such a good idea. I just said ***** it and next thing i know i'm preparing for battle, but i actually just won!
Tamer's Ring (3k), Scroll of Quake(100k), and 1.8k was mine! SE has finally not screwed me.
Tamer's Ring (3k), Scroll of Quake(100k), and 1.8k was mine! SE has finally not screwed me.
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Been trying to figure out how to pick the right chest but I don't get it. I did it once, picked the right chest and got 2K gil, a mythril ingot and a Rogue's Ring.
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