Tried this quest as Hume 20 Smn / 10 Whm. Had 250+ hp and 200+mp.
When I traded the minifork it displayed the same cutscene as it does with the normal tuning fork. Record time on my server (Carbuncle) is 13 minutes 7 seconds. I thought that was high because it is only a 15min time limit on the fight.
I entered, buffed up with everything I could for lvl 20 and moved towards Shiva. I summoned Carbuncle and made him attack Shiva then took out my staff and started attacking also.
First thing Shiva did what Cast Blizzard 2 which hit me for 117 and then 2 seconds later melee hit me twice (like dual hit) for 74 and 49.
So, within 3-5 seconds of the fight my hp was dark red, and knew i made a mistake doing this. Needless to say I died a second later and was pissed.
Im thinking the only way to do this is to use Carbuncle only to fight while having 10 mins worth of melon juice and and a few hi-ethers and stuff.
But Carbuncle will die a few times during the fight cuz of low mp or whatever, how can I resummon him in time without having shiva disrupt me because it takes 5 or 6 seconds casting time?
Anyone know when you can try this again?
Edited, Fri Apr 23 21:14:02 2004
Trial Size Trial by Ice
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SummaryThe Rhinostery has developed a new "mini" tuning fork of ice. Ringing it upon the protocrystal in Fei'Yin will open the path to a one-on-one battle with the beast that awaits inside. However, only summoners are allowed to take up this challenge. WalkthroughThings to remember:
Speak to Castilchat in Northern San d'Oria, standing next to Gulmama. You must have at least level 4 fame in the Kingdom of San d'Oria before he will allow you to do this quest. If you meet the requirements, he will present you with a Mini Tuning Fork of Ice.
When you have made your preparations, trade the Mini Tuning Fork of Ice back to Castilchat. He won't keep it. Trading him the Mini Tuning Fork of Ice will warp you directly to the Cloister of Frost for the fight.
Try to fight Shiva on Firesday and do not fight her on Iceday Upon defeating her, you will receive the ability to summon Shiva to your side.
Strategies
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After the patch, I fought Shiva at 2:30am EST. Fought again at 7am EST. Tried again from 9pm-2am EST, but couldn't get the quest. Did Trial Size Trial by Earth at 4am EST. Fought Shiva at 6pm EST.
TIt is quite possible that you can attempt this quest once every real day (midnight-11:59pm) PACIFIC time. The first battle of mine would've been Wednesday at 11:30pm PST. Then my next battle was Thursday at 4am PST. Then I tried a million times the rest of Thursday and couldn't get the quest. Did it again on Friday. This is what I think the wait is. Unless doing Trial Size Trial by Earth in between had something to do with it, but I don't think so. >.<
TIt is quite possible that you can attempt this quest once every real day (midnight-11:59pm) PACIFIC time. The first battle of mine would've been Wednesday at 11:30pm PST. Then my next battle was Thursday at 4am PST. Then I tried a million times the rest of Thursday and couldn't get the quest. Did it again on Friday. This is what I think the wait is. Unless doing Trial Size Trial by Earth in between had something to do with it, but I don't think so. >.<
6 earth hours later is time limit on same fights
This cannot be true. I had waited 12+ hours and could not get warped to Fei'Yin again. Instead Castilchat says something about being poorly prepared and trying again when everyone's ready, without the taru researcher going with. And then the taru retorts that if he doesn't go with there's no point to the research. >.<
It was true buts think it was stealth changed. Now it seems you can only do any avatar fight, one time per day.
Before, it was possible to gets all avatars in 12 hours.
Before, it was possible to gets all avatars in 12 hours.
Very sorry for postin that.
Me and friend try Friday night and could nots enter Shiva or Garuda. We both try battle earlier. We hear their was limit.
If their is limit, it seem to be tryin same one again. Saturday, we try several and friend beat Leviathan.
Friday, me try Shiva ats 6am, then try again ats 12 noon. Me haves not seen time limit yet.
Again, very sorry for postin that.
Me and friend try Friday night and could nots enter Shiva or Garuda. We both try battle earlier. We hear their was limit.
If their is limit, it seem to be tryin same one again. Saturday, we try several and friend beat Leviathan.
Friday, me try Shiva ats 6am, then try again ats 12 noon. Me haves not seen time limit yet.
Again, very sorry for postin that.
People still have to get a job to lvl 30, then get summoner to level 20 to be able to fight the avatars... so it's not like some No.Ob can just go and be a summoner with all the avatars. You still would have to put some time into the game to level your main to 30, (hopefully you would level your sub too.) and then level summoner when they finally get it. That still isnt all that much playtime required, but from what I've heard about the lvl 20 summons battles, it takes an experience player to even stand a chance of beating them...
I do also feel that the summoner job is alot more balanced with the other jobs now. I agree with [Black]Cheyenne in that there was no other job that required you to lvl a job to 60+ before you could use a different job effectively.
All in all, the change sounds like a bad idea at first... but really it even things out alot more in my opinion..
I do also feel that the summoner job is alot more balanced with the other jobs now. I agree with [Black]Cheyenne in that there was no other job that required you to lvl a job to 60+ before you could use a different job effectively.
All in all, the change sounds like a bad idea at first... but really it even things out alot more in my opinion..
Scholar
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THIS QUEST IS NOT HARD. this is the tactic
GO in with 3-4 Hi Ethers in your hands. SUmmon your funny bunny Carbuncle. Use Astral Flow. and his top skill. Use a Hi-Ether. Summon Carbuncle again (Astral Flow still has not expired) Use his skill a second time. Pop another Ether. use the skill a third time. (you have to be fast for the 3rd one). Tada Shiva has such low Hp you can destroy her like she was an easy prey.
GO in with 3-4 Hi Ethers in your hands. SUmmon your funny bunny Carbuncle. Use Astral Flow. and his top skill. Use a Hi-Ether. Summon Carbuncle again (Astral Flow still has not expired) Use his skill a second time. Pop another Ether. use the skill a third time. (you have to be fast for the 3rd one). Tada Shiva has such low Hp you can destroy her like she was an easy prey.
Interesting strategy. Is this something you heard from someone who has done it, or your theory?
First of all, Astral Flow + Searing Light ("his top skill") only do 200+ damage, at FULL MP (200+). The amount of MP you have determines how much damage Searing Light does.
You need at least 3 full MP Astral Flow + Searing Light combos to bring Shiva down to "easy prey" level. Searing Lights with 50 MP just aren't going to cut it. You would need quite a few Super-Ethers (which are super-pricey) to fill your MP tank and repeat Searing Light to do enough damage.
And.. you're forgetting that once she's "easy prey", she still attacks with a double physical attack, ice spikes, enblizzard, and elemental magic. You would spend so much MP just trying to Cure yourself to keep yourself alive that you wouldn't be dealing damage to Shiva. And that's only if you can pull off Cures while she's pounding away on you.
Oh yeah.. and tell me.. how can you summon Carbuncle and not be interrupted when Shiva hits you 6 times during casting?
First of all, Astral Flow + Searing Light ("his top skill") only do 200+ damage, at FULL MP (200+). The amount of MP you have determines how much damage Searing Light does.
You need at least 3 full MP Astral Flow + Searing Light combos to bring Shiva down to "easy prey" level. Searing Lights with 50 MP just aren't going to cut it. You would need quite a few Super-Ethers (which are super-pricey) to fill your MP tank and repeat Searing Light to do enough damage.
And.. you're forgetting that once she's "easy prey", she still attacks with a double physical attack, ice spikes, enblizzard, and elemental magic. You would spend so much MP just trying to Cure yourself to keep yourself alive that you wouldn't be dealing damage to Shiva. And that's only if you can pull off Cures while she's pounding away on you.
Oh yeah.. and tell me.. how can you summon Carbuncle and not be interrupted when Shiva hits you 6 times during casting?
all good points.. i would like to see the response to this.. and also a good proven strat =)
So yeah, I tried this last night but kinda forgot ot use the mini tuning fork. Yes, I was a level 20 Summoner fighting a FULL STRENGTH Shiva Prime, it wasn't pretty. She did 554 damage to me before I could do anything. Needless to say, be careful when you do the quest so you don't mess up like I did. I'm glad they implemented these and I'm sure the JP players were asking for it too. Think of how many people beg day in and day out for help on the original avatar quests. I battled Shiva the next day and got her about 25% down. I'm going to wait until Firesday to fight her and make sure that I have a high level WHM cast Prot IV, Shell IV, Haste, and pretty much any other buff I can find. This battle is not easy by any means, in fact, it's damn near impossible.
This makes me very pleased, props SquareE.
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1. Youre not allowed to sub a non-mage subjob according to current knowledge so there goes your strategy about sub WAR or MNK.
2. Dynamis was always intended to be enabled and has been a part of the game. Japanese Players have already played in Dynamis once or twice i do believe. Not too sure but the Trails have been there for a while i think.
3. Soloing at 20 is easier then soloing at 65 for the simple fact that theres an imbalance as you get higher in levels. 1-10 you can kill toughs. 10-20 you can barely kill even matches 20-30 you cant take down many decent challenges and easy preys CAN kill you. 30-40. Easy preys are harder and more deadly, Too weak to be worthwhiles pose a challenge. The Soloing gets progressively harder at higher levels to the point where you CANT solo for any XP anymore. There goes your comparison of 65 soloing to 20 soloing.
4. The NA didnt complain about the TP gain and it was actually beneficial to some NA players since one of my friends, (level 40 SAM) who is trying to level that to 75, now CANT Self Skill chain anymore. This takes away a valuable weapon to samurai.
2. Dynamis was always intended to be enabled and has been a part of the game. Japanese Players have already played in Dynamis once or twice i do believe. Not too sure but the Trails have been there for a while i think.
3. Soloing at 20 is easier then soloing at 65 for the simple fact that theres an imbalance as you get higher in levels. 1-10 you can kill toughs. 10-20 you can barely kill even matches 20-30 you cant take down many decent challenges and easy preys CAN kill you. 30-40. Easy preys are harder and more deadly, Too weak to be worthwhiles pose a challenge. The Soloing gets progressively harder at higher levels to the point where you CANT solo for any XP anymore. There goes your comparison of 65 soloing to 20 soloing.
4. The NA didnt complain about the TP gain and it was actually beneficial to some NA players since one of my friends, (level 40 SAM) who is trying to level that to 75, now CANT Self Skill chain anymore. This takes away a valuable weapon to samurai.
1)You must not be too observant. I submitted this quest to Allakhazam. And I'm in the picture with Shiva Prime. So obviously I've done this before. So before you go "correcting" me with "current knowledge", get your facts straight. My comments are not made based on hearsay and rumors. It made me laugh that you threw my strategy out the window based on... nothing.
You may sub whatever job you'd like to do this quest.
On to your other "points".
2) The Dynamis trails have not been there forever. They were only added in an update in the past few months... AFTER the NA release; Dynamis has not always been part of the game, not even for JPs. Of course you're missing my point, though. Unless you work for SE, Mr. Smarty Pants, how do you know that this low level avatar quest wasn't intended to be added for a long time? I was obviously being sarcastic in my previous post about Ballista and Dynamis being added because of NA players; I was simply pointing out that unless you work for SE, you do NOT know what has been in development and what hasn't.
3) First of all, again, I was being facetious about solo'ing a level 65 NM. However...
Do you think that Shiva Prime is going to be the same as a regular "even match" or "decent challenge" so that you can solo her? To relate this battle to another at a low level (since some people just don't get my message when I relate it to high levels), try fighting the dragon for Rank 3 solo. You're both capped at 25. I bet it wouldn't be too easy, eh? It's a lot easier even at level 25 to have a tank and a healer with to help. At least I, personally, do not know of anyone soloing the Rank 3 dragons. And if they did, kudos to them. But they'd be few and far between, just like the people that successfully do this quest to obtain avatars.
4) Again, I was just pointing out that everything that happens after the NA release is NOT just because of the NA players. So I'm not even going to comment on this one.
You may sub whatever job you'd like to do this quest.
On to your other "points".
2) The Dynamis trails have not been there forever. They were only added in an update in the past few months... AFTER the NA release; Dynamis has not always been part of the game, not even for JPs. Of course you're missing my point, though. Unless you work for SE, Mr. Smarty Pants, how do you know that this low level avatar quest wasn't intended to be added for a long time? I was obviously being sarcastic in my previous post about Ballista and Dynamis being added because of NA players; I was simply pointing out that unless you work for SE, you do NOT know what has been in development and what hasn't.
3) First of all, again, I was being facetious about solo'ing a level 65 NM. However...
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10-20 you can barely kill even matches 20-30 you cant take down many decent challenges and easy preys CAN kill you.
Do you think that Shiva Prime is going to be the same as a regular "even match" or "decent challenge" so that you can solo her? To relate this battle to another at a low level (since some people just don't get my message when I relate it to high levels), try fighting the dragon for Rank 3 solo. You're both capped at 25. I bet it wouldn't be too easy, eh? It's a lot easier even at level 25 to have a tank and a healer with to help. At least I, personally, do not know of anyone soloing the Rank 3 dragons. And if they did, kudos to them. But they'd be few and far between, just like the people that successfully do this quest to obtain avatars.
4) Again, I was just pointing out that everything that happens after the NA release is NOT just because of the NA players. So I'm not even going to comment on this one.
Scholar
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Owned
*cheers for Jyneefur !!*
*bows courteously to Cheyenne* ^^
1) Polearms are not quest-only items that you can only obtain by fighting really tough mobs in a full party while level 60+ in a job other than Dragoon. And without a polearm (or another weapon, but polearm is most commonly used), a Dragoon would be worthless. So why must a Summoner have to go through that?
2) How would you have liked to play through the entire Final Fantasy X game using Rikku, before finally being allowed to go back to the beginning and play through it again with Zidane, the character you really wanted to be? If someone really wants to be a Summoner, why should they have to basically play through the game twice (since they have to level a job to almost the highest level to do the "regular" avatar fights) in order to do so? (And before you make snide remarks.. yes, I know it's not the same as starting over and there are many things that you don't do twice.)
3) This is not an easy quest. In comparison, I'd say that the "regular" fight is easier. In the "regular" fight, there are tanks and damage dealers and healers. In this "mini" fight, there's a measly Summoner. (Oh, and Carbuncle, who doesn't really count for *too* much.) There's no paladin to take the damage. There's no Phalanx, no Utsusemi, no Stoneskin, no Blink, no Haste, no Cure V, no Firaga II. Try putting a level 65 <any job> up against Shiva Prime capped at 65 and you tell me it's easy.
4) Congrats to the high levels that have obtained the avatars before the patch. I've always envied them. However, refer to #3 as to why I don't think they've really been too jacked with the update. It's not like they did it the "harder" way. Just the more time-consuming way. I'm sure there will be changes in the future that make things seem easier, after we've already done them.
5) Square Enix changes things constantly. The new TP-restore on weapon skills: Are you trying to say, jov, that they changed this now.. after the game has been out for so long.. because NA players didn't like it the way it was before? Or how about the ability to heal Wyverns? I guess they did that just for the NA players, too. In fact, I bet Dynamis was an idea pressed upon SE by NA players! Ballista, too! Because obviously any changes that occur after the NA release are because of NA players. Or perhaps they were in development the entire time. Ever stop and wonder why there was another NPC standing next to the "regular" quest taru-tarus? They easily could've just made it a stand-alone taru that gave the quest, but they included a second NPC...
6) Back to the quest at hand... My suggestions:
- sub warrior or monk
- equip yourself as a melee mage tank not as a mage (ie take the extra Defense and Attack over the MP+ and MND+)
- buy a lot of Hi-Potions and a Fish Mithkabob
- get yourself Protect/Shell (the highest version you can find), since it does not wear off while you enter the protocrystal (of course it will wear off after it's usual duration, so make sure you get it right before entering)
- when you get close to the avatar, summon Carbuncle, use Astral Flow, use Searing Light
- melee melee melee
- Hi-Potion when needed
Some will say that you're basically "buying" your avatars, since the Hi-Potions are what keeps you alive. Let them say whatever they want. If you want to spend the 10k+ on items, do it. The higher levels buy food/medicines for their battles, too. And not everyone will be able to beat these "mini" avatar primes. You do have to know what you're doing. And if you don't like it, too bad. The quests are here and that's that. Like jov said, there's nothing he can do about it.. so instead he'll just whine and complain on a message board instead of accepting that this is the way it will be. >.<
2) How would you have liked to play through the entire Final Fantasy X game using Rikku, before finally being allowed to go back to the beginning and play through it again with Zidane, the character you really wanted to be? If someone really wants to be a Summoner, why should they have to basically play through the game twice (since they have to level a job to almost the highest level to do the "regular" avatar fights) in order to do so? (And before you make snide remarks.. yes, I know it's not the same as starting over and there are many things that you don't do twice.)
3) This is not an easy quest. In comparison, I'd say that the "regular" fight is easier. In the "regular" fight, there are tanks and damage dealers and healers. In this "mini" fight, there's a measly Summoner. (Oh, and Carbuncle, who doesn't really count for *too* much.) There's no paladin to take the damage. There's no Phalanx, no Utsusemi, no Stoneskin, no Blink, no Haste, no Cure V, no Firaga II. Try putting a level 65 <any job> up against Shiva Prime capped at 65 and you tell me it's easy.
4) Congrats to the high levels that have obtained the avatars before the patch. I've always envied them. However, refer to #3 as to why I don't think they've really been too jacked with the update. It's not like they did it the "harder" way. Just the more time-consuming way. I'm sure there will be changes in the future that make things seem easier, after we've already done them.
5) Square Enix changes things constantly. The new TP-restore on weapon skills: Are you trying to say, jov, that they changed this now.. after the game has been out for so long.. because NA players didn't like it the way it was before? Or how about the ability to heal Wyverns? I guess they did that just for the NA players, too. In fact, I bet Dynamis was an idea pressed upon SE by NA players! Ballista, too! Because obviously any changes that occur after the NA release are because of NA players. Or perhaps they were in development the entire time. Ever stop and wonder why there was another NPC standing next to the "regular" quest taru-tarus? They easily could've just made it a stand-alone taru that gave the quest, but they included a second NPC...
6) Back to the quest at hand... My suggestions:
- sub warrior or monk
- equip yourself as a melee mage tank not as a mage (ie take the extra Defense and Attack over the MP+ and MND+)
- buy a lot of Hi-Potions and a Fish Mithkabob
- get yourself Protect/Shell (the highest version you can find), since it does not wear off while you enter the protocrystal (of course it will wear off after it's usual duration, so make sure you get it right before entering)
- when you get close to the avatar, summon Carbuncle, use Astral Flow, use Searing Light
- melee melee melee
- Hi-Potion when needed
Some will say that you're basically "buying" your avatars, since the Hi-Potions are what keeps you alive. Let them say whatever they want. If you want to spend the 10k+ on items, do it. The higher levels buy food/medicines for their battles, too. And not everyone will be able to beat these "mini" avatar primes. You do have to know what you're doing. And if you don't like it, too bad. The quests are here and that's that. Like jov said, there's nothing he can do about it.. so instead he'll just whine and complain on a message board instead of accepting that this is the way it will be. >.<
1) why? because according to the story line of vana'deil, summoning magic is considered forbidden. in this sense, only a bad *** would ever bother being one. this makes roleplaying sense to me. pity you can't see that.
i rather liked the idea that to be a bad *** summoner you had to invest lots of time. in this sense, it made those who could summon shiva at lvl 5 summoner much more epic of a player, you knew they went through a great deal in order to do that (for other jobs) simple task.
2) nice apples and oranges. i think you are missing that to be a summoner in the first place you have to be lvl 30. so what, maybe you have to be lvl 60 for real. is there any difference in that? yeah. does it make the summoner a more epic job? yeah. was that just taken away? yeah.
3) i agree with you there in a sense. it doesn't sound easy. but it does sound like less work than getting a high level party to take one on. in that sense, i do say it's much easier. let's review:
old way: get your main job to lvl 30. become a SMN. get your main job to lvl 65, find a party of the same level that is also willing you help you. take on the prime.
new way: get your main job to lvl 30. become a SMN. get your SMN up to 20. take on the trial size prime.
which one is easier? hmmm...
4) congrats to them indeed! i disagree with you for the same reason as my post number 3. it's probably as difficult, if not more so in the time consumption, to do it the "pre-april patch" way.
5) thanks for putting words in my mouth. i said that this is clearly due to the petitioning of american players. i am sure some japanese players thought, "man, i have to work hard for this, we should ask to change it" too. but obivously, square didn't care, or they didn't complain.
as for dynamis, they put that in probably due to high level players asking for something more to do, or because they realized that hihg level players stopped playing.
and ballista, they announced that PvP would be added pre stateside release, if i recall right. if not, i know they claimed "it was around the corner" on their main site in december 2003.
here's what i think, players should complain about game problems over job unfairness. perhaps an online ingame help guide that actually works? or explains what the new changes are? perhaps an adjustment to the clothing and weapon graphics, so your lovely lvl 8 gear doesn't look the same as a lvl 38's gear. just thoughts as to full game beneficial or aesthetical upgrades... luxuries, to be sure, but hey, i see them as more appropriate than letting people get avatars earlier.
if the job doesn't work for you, perhaps you are playing the wrong game...
6) sounds like an effective strat for pussyfootin' your way to an earlier avatar use.
and lastly, i have accepted this is how it will be. i have also accepted that this is showing clear signs of turning into a SW:G dillema. the main problem i had with that game was people thought they knew how the classes should work. suddenly you have teras kasi masters that loose to pistoleers, in hand to hand combat. now they've gone and made jedi known how to unlock. where is the fun in that, i ask? peh.
i'd also like to point out that my opinion is seen as "whining and complaining," and therefore, not a good thing. don't forget that it was the same sort of "whining and complaining" that changed this avatar nonsense.
i rather liked the idea that to be a bad *** summoner you had to invest lots of time. in this sense, it made those who could summon shiva at lvl 5 summoner much more epic of a player, you knew they went through a great deal in order to do that (for other jobs) simple task.
2) nice apples and oranges. i think you are missing that to be a summoner in the first place you have to be lvl 30. so what, maybe you have to be lvl 60 for real. is there any difference in that? yeah. does it make the summoner a more epic job? yeah. was that just taken away? yeah.
3) i agree with you there in a sense. it doesn't sound easy. but it does sound like less work than getting a high level party to take one on. in that sense, i do say it's much easier. let's review:
old way: get your main job to lvl 30. become a SMN. get your main job to lvl 65, find a party of the same level that is also willing you help you. take on the prime.
new way: get your main job to lvl 30. become a SMN. get your SMN up to 20. take on the trial size prime.
which one is easier? hmmm...
4) congrats to them indeed! i disagree with you for the same reason as my post number 3. it's probably as difficult, if not more so in the time consumption, to do it the "pre-april patch" way.
5) thanks for putting words in my mouth. i said that this is clearly due to the petitioning of american players. i am sure some japanese players thought, "man, i have to work hard for this, we should ask to change it" too. but obivously, square didn't care, or they didn't complain.
as for dynamis, they put that in probably due to high level players asking for something more to do, or because they realized that hihg level players stopped playing.
and ballista, they announced that PvP would be added pre stateside release, if i recall right. if not, i know they claimed "it was around the corner" on their main site in december 2003.
here's what i think, players should complain about game problems over job unfairness. perhaps an online ingame help guide that actually works? or explains what the new changes are? perhaps an adjustment to the clothing and weapon graphics, so your lovely lvl 8 gear doesn't look the same as a lvl 38's gear. just thoughts as to full game beneficial or aesthetical upgrades... luxuries, to be sure, but hey, i see them as more appropriate than letting people get avatars earlier.
if the job doesn't work for you, perhaps you are playing the wrong game...
6) sounds like an effective strat for pussyfootin' your way to an earlier avatar use.
and lastly, i have accepted this is how it will be. i have also accepted that this is showing clear signs of turning into a SW:G dillema. the main problem i had with that game was people thought they knew how the classes should work. suddenly you have teras kasi masters that loose to pistoleers, in hand to hand combat. now they've gone and made jedi known how to unlock. where is the fun in that, i ask? peh.
i'd also like to point out that my opinion is seen as "whining and complaining," and therefore, not a good thing. don't forget that it was the same sort of "whining and complaining" that changed this avatar nonsense.
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old way: get your main job to lvl 30. become a SMN. get your main job to lvl 65, find a party of the same level that is also willing you help you. take on the prime.
new way: get your main job to lvl 30. become a SMN. get your SMN up to 20. take on the trial size prime.
which one is easier? hmmm...
new way: get your main job to lvl 30. become a SMN. get your SMN up to 20. take on the trial size prime.
which one is easier? hmmm...
A party of the same level is hard to find? I don't know if you've been to Jeuno lately.. or anywhere else in Vana'diel.. but there sure isn't a shortage of players level 65+. Nor is there a shortage of players that do the regular quest, not just for summoner friends, but for themselves. It's not like the only reward is the ability to summon an avatar. Nor do you have to find someone "the same level". Get a party of 5 level 75s and you can sit back and relax. And you make it sound like taking on the trial size prime is a piece of cake. *laughs* Why don't you actually try both of these quests before you go posting about which one is easier, ok?
Back to the entire "NA player complaining" thing. You think the JPs just kept everything to themselves or that SE ignored them? I'm sure you're correct.. no JPs ever complained about it.. ever.. only the stuck-up NA players.. (again, being sarastic here people). Perhaps SE was toying with the idea pre-NA-release. Perhaps they wanted to see how NA players would react. Perhaps it just wasn't on the front burner for them (since other things were, such as Ballista and Dynamis). And unless you work for SE, I don't care what press releases you've read unless you can point me to one that clearly says: "We here at Square Enix have decided to implement a low level avatar quests based solely on complaints received from our NA subscribers." Until then you can claim anything you want, but you still have nothing to back it up.
Summoning is "forbidden". Well you clearly can't get this job as a new player. However why did SE even bother giving us the opportunity to become a Summoner at level 30 if it would be impossible to do? Why not just make the Summoner quest a level 60+ quest? Again.. maybe SE was toying around with the avatar quest ideas for awhile now...
And lastly.. nobody is MAKING anyone even DO this new quest. If you don't like it, don't do it. Wait until you're a high level and get them the other way. But if someone is that dedicated to becoming a Summoner that they want to spend tens of thousands of gil to obtain their avatars in a solo fight against an extremely tough avatar, MORE POWER TO THEM! I wish you all the luck in the world.
On the same note for Fenrir, this does NOT give you the same quest compliation as the normal avatar fights, nor do you get the whisper. So you HAVE to go face them for real later on in life anyway, this just allows you the summoning aspect ahead of time. (Kind of, you need to be a food and juice phreaking ***** ot win these)
i think that i may be the only person who feels this way... but i really think this is horrid. ok, ok, fun, you get to get shiva at a low level.
but at two costs:
1) those who did get her at a high level suddenly get jipped from the hard work they had to undergo. this, quite frankly, doesn't seem cool. and yeah, i did read the need to be lvl 70 for fenrir argument, it still neglects them going through their effort to get shiva the normal way.
and 2) if you have played the windurst missions, you kinda' get a sense that there are four types of magic. white, red, black, and summoning. the last of these is a forbidden magic, making the idea of only high level players unlocking such avatars a bit more sensical than letting low levels get them.
basically, i figure i am alone in this stance. everyone want to catch 'em all. oddly, this change only happened with the sudden growth of NA players (and the subsesquent complaints). if this was meant to be square's vision, don't you think they would have implemented it from the start, or when at least a year ago when this problem was first setting itself up? hmmmm...
well, whatever. i obviously don't have the power to change this. you all have fun with your dinky-route shivas. i am gonna' wait till i can get her the more difficult way.
but at two costs:
1) those who did get her at a high level suddenly get jipped from the hard work they had to undergo. this, quite frankly, doesn't seem cool. and yeah, i did read the need to be lvl 70 for fenrir argument, it still neglects them going through their effort to get shiva the normal way.
and 2) if you have played the windurst missions, you kinda' get a sense that there are four types of magic. white, red, black, and summoning. the last of these is a forbidden magic, making the idea of only high level players unlocking such avatars a bit more sensical than letting low levels get them.
basically, i figure i am alone in this stance. everyone want to catch 'em all. oddly, this change only happened with the sudden growth of NA players (and the subsesquent complaints). if this was meant to be square's vision, don't you think they would have implemented it from the start, or when at least a year ago when this problem was first setting itself up? hmmmm...
well, whatever. i obviously don't have the power to change this. you all have fun with your dinky-route shivas. i am gonna' wait till i can get her the more difficult way.
Yes, think you one of few that do nots agree with this chance.
It nice to see Online Petitions work.
No other job required player to gets other job to 70 just so you could gets tools you needed.
No other job required player to gets Fame6 in 7 citys before you could 'do your job'.
It was nots fair, it was wrong and it was changed.
Before you start bashin on NA players 'jippin' JP, stop. Their is enough fightin goin on in world already, we do nots need more here.
*hugs*
Edited, Fri Apr 23 10:19:12 2004
It nice to see Online Petitions work.
No other job required player to gets other job to 70 just so you could gets tools you needed.
No other job required player to gets Fame6 in 7 citys before you could 'do your job'.
It was nots fair, it was wrong and it was changed.
Before you start bashin on NA players 'jippin' JP, stop. Their is enough fightin goin on in world already, we do nots need more here.
*hugs*
Edited, Fri Apr 23 10:19:12 2004
Anonymous
Just to let you know you might not like thisthat NA people get this at a low level your still forgetting you still need to kill the avatars at 70 or so to get the items you need for Fenrir. you cant get the items the harder onces drop only the avatar just so you know your wrong about what you said.
What was Cheyenne wrong about?
Yes, you need to be higher level to get Fenrir.. most definitely NOT level 70. You can do it much before that, as early as 40s, depending on job.
However, Cheyenne mentioned that no other job requires you to be level 70 to get the tools you need. Sure, Fenrir is awesome and would help a Summoner out, but without Fenrir, you can still get the other avatars and level with them. However leveling with only Carbuncle is a pain and won't get you very far at higher levels. >.< So I don't see how Cheyenne was wrong...
Yes, you need to be higher level to get Fenrir.. most definitely NOT level 70. You can do it much before that, as early as 40s, depending on job.
However, Cheyenne mentioned that no other job requires you to be level 70 to get the tools you need. Sure, Fenrir is awesome and would help a Summoner out, but without Fenrir, you can still get the other avatars and level with them. However leveling with only Carbuncle is a pain and won't get you very far at higher levels. >.< So I don't see how Cheyenne was wrong...
So then, with this quest, we can go, SOLO Shiva, and possibly get the ability to summon her? SWEEEEEEET!
Scholar
22 posts
All I can say is it's about freaking time they implemented something like this. It was ridiculous that you couldn't be a summoner until you were level 60+ with something else. Squeenix comes through for once!
AMEN! i agrees.... but i really feel bad for those who had to work for it at level 60+ they should get a bonus or sumthin
The people who have gotten all the avatars at level 60+ aren't completely jipped, because Fenrir can still only be gotten through killing all of the level 70 avatars and then killing him. No shortcuts for Fenrir.
Scholar
18 posts
Technically they do get a bonus. Defeating the avatars at level 60, you're given a choice of either forming a pact with the avatar or getting one of your choice of special items or 10,000 gil. Of course, you won't want to pick the 10,000 gil unless you've beaten said Avatar so many times that you've gotten all the other items already.
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