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I blame airspirit for this stupid notion that blms shouldn't be refreshed.

Basically, as a good rdm told me once, a blm can do more with 120 mp than a rdm can do with 40. No, we're not the highest on the list in terms of priority, and yes, you can skip us occasionally during the first couple of battles...but blms need refresh, and if you don't understand that, please stop leveling rdm now before you are 73 and meleeing deco weapons.

Seriously, without fail, the rdms that claimed they didn't have enough time to refresh blm meleed. Take your B- sword skill to the back row please.

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Some of this I agree with, although the condescending tone is obnoxious as all hell. Being a red mage does not make one magically better or more important than everyone else in the party, and therefore entitled to create commanding threads about how to treat a party's RDM. Give me a break.

People will ask you for refresh if they don't have it and need it. Get used to it. I have only once been asked for refresh, and that was a WHM who had every right to it: I'd been thrown off cycle by a link. Other than that I keep it up on everyone other than DRK...including the BLM.




Yes, it's a right. That's why you're in the party: your party needs refresh. Cast it. Keep it up. That's why you're there.



I always cast refresh on the BLMs. I want them on their feet and casting, and leave it up to them to control their hate. I'm not going to decide FOR them that they don't need it, or withhold it because they're pulling hate. I want the MP bar up. It's good for chains and it's good for happy BLMs and smooth parties.

Seriously, the diva attitude is old. Really old. Just do your job, keep your enfeebles up and your refresh going. Learn how to distribute your MP, and do it in the understanding that you are one of two MP regen jobs in the game: that's why you're in the party.

Part of being a RDM is multitasking in the extreme. As a former waitress who often worked insane morning shifts, I can say that the resemblance is strong, except it's not cold coffee, it's life/death for five other players.

Ok, is refresh more important than sleeping a link? Give me some credit here: no, it's not. What I'm saying is that refresh is an extremely high priority that is superceded ONLY in emergencies. Even in the MIDDLE of an emergency, you better be sure your magic users don't wind up with empty bars, because that's one more strike, and you don't want to end up out.

It's not that hard to think about more than one thing at a time. Yes, RDM has a lot of duties in a party. That's the tacit agreement between you and your job: you better be able to do all those things within the limits of your MP. Given that we have Convert, the limits of your MP aren't exactly a tight squeeze. It's a rough job, especially in particular parties against particular mobs (five-person cycle + crabs? Fun). But if you think that's rough try BST. Some jobs are just hard.

It's unreasonable to assume that everyone who asks for Refresh is being a whiny as[b][/b]s. It's unreasonable to create a thread putting all RDMs up as being hassled misunderstood gods who are really great, but are just going to get to you later. Not all RDMs do get to you later. Do your job well during the party, and the demands and 'begging' -- nice term by the way -- will drop off.

I Tank, I do my best to keep the mob off the rest of the party and on me. That is my job. I'm not brought into the group for off healing or being a DD. Espically since I'm not at end game with the right equipment for a pally DD.

Now as a tank, while i have to hold the hate the DD has to kill it. If the DD has no mana, if they require it. Then they aren't helping. Meaning I am using more mana to keep hate longer, taking more damage and the whm is using more mana to help keep me alive.

As a RDM you WILL refresh who needs it, when they need it. In any mmorpg support classes are brought along for spefic skills. RDM is not a major DD, not a major healer and is defiently not a tank. You do not fufill 1 of the 3 major roles that are needed in any given party. Thus you will use the skill that you are known for using and keep those who need it refreshed. If you aren't pulling your weight so the mages or other mana usesrs can't pull theirs, you can go ahead and nuke and whatever. I will let the mob kill you and get hate back afterwards.

Every class has a job here. FFXI is not a game where every class can do 50 things. Pick you class, accept your role, make sure its one you like/enjoy and do it.

Ok. I'm not going to preach ideals in which I have no basis. As of the time of this post, I am currently a level 60 rdm. I have leveled numorous jobs to 37 to get a feel, but not the best, of the roles of the main jobs. So here is my oppinion (And no I'm not going to bash anyone elses oppinion)

First off, Yes it is true that refresh is not the only reason for a rdm in a party, but it is 1 of 3 reasons to have one. The role of a Redmage consists as follows: Refresh, Dispel, and Various enfeebles (Paralyze, Slow, Blind, questionably Dia, and situationaly Sleep) Other than those, the Redmage is proving as a bonus. So that being said, The party invites a Redmage based on the expectation that they are GOING to be Refreshrd, no questions asked. To believe that Redmages shouldnt just be there for refresh, or that it's considered rude to be 'pestered' for a refresh is absurd. The entire game is based on the idea that key jobs play, at most, 3 completely different roles. This is a TEAM game and part of being in a TEAM is fulfilling your desired duties. And for the redmages who dont believe this, I assure you that you are being hypocritical. Honestly, how long would you listen to a PLD/NIN try to make a justifiable case as to why he feels that him voking is a privalage to the party, not a right.

And as for this 'begging' as you put it, I have a philosophy that I've developed with leveling 7 seperate jobs to 37+ and 3 to 60+. If the party has to ask for you to do something consistantly, then you aren't during your job. If a Tank has to have the party ask him to Voke, then that is just a bad tank, no matter how you twist it. I have been asked to refresh a member as a redmage. I don't think "Why are they pestering me?!" I think "Crap, I'm slipping up" I've come to grips long before I've even started the job that Refreshing is 1 of the 2 most OBVIOUS reasons that a redmage even gets a party.

The second thing involves the whole "Blackmage vs. Refresh" arguement. If you use magic, then you diserve refresh. Plain and simple. I've played blackmage and I know it is easy to run out of MP no matter how much mp control you have. Without refresh then 1 of 2 things will result for the blackmage. Either they will resort to casting nothing BUT the lowest form of damage they can, OR after two fights, your blackmage will have to sit for 5-10 minutes to regain their mp.

In short, The Redmage, Like every job in the game, has only 1-3 defining roles and purposes to be invited. Don't believe me? Set up a party with no redmage available and I garuntee you that you'll look for a bard afterwards. Refresh is not only a right to the magic users, no matter pld, drk, blm, or whm, but it's also a responsibility of the Redmages to keep them refreshed. If you do not like this, then this job is not something you should play.

Edited, Thu Mar 23 23:10:22 2006 by BishboshOnline

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This is a thread that will never truely die .Long live the necropost.