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#52 Sep 05 2006 at 5:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah i know... i feel like they made this chick stage a little too long... the chocobo still has to go through adolescent and adult stage before it is retired from the raising process.

3 Days of being an egg and
12 Days (at least) of being a chick with limited care options...

That leaves 15 Days to split between adolescent and adult (assuming 1 month = 30 days = total raising time)

Be better if they made more days during the time in the chocobos life where you could do more stuff with it... if they split the rest of the days it would be

8 Days adolescent
7 Days adult... much less than the chick stage.



It's one month until they REACH adult stage. That means if it grows up tomorrow, it'll have around 15 days of that stage before becoming and adult.
#53 Sep 05 2006 at 5:24 PM Rating: Decent
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If its 30 days to adult then thats fine, but according to SE it turns adult a bit before it retires.
#54 Sep 05 2006 at 5:48 PM Rating: Default
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wrong info. sorry.

Edited, Sep 5th 2006 at 7:09pm EDT by susaninthegarden



Somewhere I read in SEs updates that it took one month to three months for chocos to reach adulthood. Anyone else remember reading that in SEs update information releases?


Edited, Sep 5th 2006 at 7:06pm EDT by susaninthegarden


ok here is information we all must have missed. and the link.
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Q. Will there be any prerequisites for raising a chocobo? Will high-level players have an advantage over low-level players?

A. Anyone with an egg can begin raising a chocobo, although special, difficult-to-obtain eggs will naturally be more accessible to high-level players. Chocobo matchmaking will give low-level players the chance to obtain eggs of the same level of rarity.

Raising a chocobo requires patient effort every day for a period of roughly one to three months. Not much time is required per day, however—much like gardening, even busy players can enjoy chocobo raising!

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10;mid=1149317514126147420;num=9;page=1"


Edited, Sep 5th 2006 at 8:01pm EDT by susaninthegarden
#55 Sep 05 2006 at 7:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Anyone have an opinion on whether the chicks who got the rest bug are 4 days behind?


Two of my four chicks were in a four day coma-sleep bout a week ago.They seem to be right on par with the other two at this point in time(bout the same as everyone else's).
So,I'd say no,they aren't behind.

I mentioned in a previous post that I was gonna play with the "Rest Plan" some more since I had two that went down for the count.

I made sure they were full and set them to a one day rest followed by the "Basic Plan".They were sound asleep when I looked in on them last night.

I don't know if this was mentioned before,but the trainer says that
it's best not to disturb them(not exact quote),so I didn't do any personal interaction with the chick at all.
I think alot of us that had coma-chicks last week missed that statement from the trainer.

When I get home tonight they both should be awake...I hope,lol.




Is there anyone out there who's chick still hasn't awoke from last weeks rash of coma-sleep?









#56 Sep 05 2006 at 7:08 PM Rating: Decent
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ok I am clarifying and correcting the sources of my previous post. Sorry for being so confusing.


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http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/news/sdetail7516.html


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Q. Will there be any prerequisites for raising a chocobo? Will high-level players have an advantage over low-level players?

A. Anyone with an egg can begin raising a chocobo, although special, difficult-to-obtain eggs will naturally be more accessible to high-level players. Chocobo matchmaking will give low-level players the chance to obtain eggs of the same level of rarity.


next source and quote:

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http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html...age=1"


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Raising a chocobo requires patient effort every day for a period of roughly one to three months. Not much time is required per day, however—much like gardening, even busy players can enjoy chocobo raising!


#57 Sep 05 2006 at 7:43 PM Rating: Decent
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On request by Piko


Thou hath spelt Pikko wrong! She shall smite all thy Flowerpots!
#58 Sep 05 2006 at 8:10 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm guessing then that it takes the 30 day month to reach adulthood, but then we have 2 more months to continue increasing the stats of our chocobos and to place them into the races. It would just be silly to heve them retire a few days or a week after they reached adulthood. But then again, who knows? =/

#59 Sep 05 2006 at 8:34 PM Rating: Decent
Molimo here. I've yet to check on my chocobo today, but I'd like to add to the convo. Perhaps this is the normal cycle for the chocobos. Relate them to humans. They take 9 months to finally arrive, they have their child years up until 12, and they have their adolescent years up until 18. Of course, there are more childhood years than adolescent years.

Anyway, that's what I think...Kind of logical, don't you think?
#60 Sep 05 2006 at 8:50 PM Rating: Decent
Molimo's Chocobo Experience, Day 15.

"Your chocobo seems to have had its fill and has calmed down." Not sure what this means. All stats remain poor. It regards me as its parent. No personality. No preference in weather. Watched over it twice. It was happy to see me, made movement. Took it for a walk three times, acquired second CS! Apparently, the timing is either random, or on a count of how many walks you take. IE: 1 Walk gives you the first CS. 15 Walks gives you the second CS (not really, just an example). Fed it 2 Gysahl Greens. It is quite full. Plan remains Take a Walk in Town.
#61 Sep 05 2006 at 9:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Damn.. 1-3 months long time.

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I'm guessing then that it takes the 30 day month to reach adulthood, but then we have 2 more months to continue increasing the stats of our chocobos and to place them into the races. It would just be silly to heve them retire a few days or a week after they reached adulthood. But then again, who knows? =/


Im under the impression that when they retire you can still ride them and do everything that not part of the raising process (feed, boost stats).
#62 Sep 05 2006 at 10:58 PM Rating: Good
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I wonder... I wonder many things... they're all about food.

I wonder... why do we feed chicks paste? Does it raise their affection more? Does it keep them from getting sick? Is there any real reason to make this stuff for chicks? There should be some reason, right?

I wonder... what do San d'Orian Carrots really do that puts them 'in a category of their own'? Do they raise both? How come we can't make carrot paste out of them? How come we can't make paste out of greens other than Gysahl?

I wonder... Why are Azouph Greens so much more filling than Sharug Greens? Are Sharug Greens a snack? Is the affection less? More? More because you can feed a chick more Sharug than Azouph?

I wonder... are some of us going about this all wrong? All paste? What if it already has full affection? Should we feed it 'nutritious' stuff now? Are we coddling our chicobi too much?

I wonder... do different greens perhaps affect personality? If all my food was bitter I might become 'ill tempered' too. Enough sweet food and I assure you I'd 'like people'.

I wonder ... could everyone start trying to remember exactly what they fed their chicobi just before any strange changes? Or even just what they fed them in general? Because that's what I really want to know. If we have to spend this long in the chick stage, I somehow would rather know how to affect via diet, than through care plans...
#63 Sep 06 2006 at 2:23 AM Rating: Good
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Palicrovol wrote:
I can confirm that when your chocobo is in "high spirits" you don't get access to new care plans.

Ok so i guess it was a bug than. But then still remains the question what to give it when its perky. why else would it say Your chocobo seems quite perky lately. It should be responsive to anything you give it now.

Moritaru wrote:
I also agree, for the most part, with what Siadon said here. I think unless you started with on e of the ISNM eggs (which i didnt, cause i dont have expansion yet...) than there isnt a good chance you'll get a colored choco on you first try. I think when breeding your chocobos, if there attributes are high enough, you can get a rare egg like the two ISNM eggs or even rarer eggs.


I first believed that the ISNM would give out the coloured chocobo eggs. But im convinced that every egg can turn into a coloured chocobo. Altho i still believe that the ISNM eggs have a better chance to get higher abillities than the "normal" onces.

Punknever wrote:
It would be nice if you could link this in the sticky:
http://www.ancientcirclels.com/images/Cho...Colours.jpg

Somepeople have claimed this picture is false. But i will put it on there.

indyracing wrote:
I don't know if substandard is higher or lower than poor


Its in the OP.

Chocobo abbility levels
Added by Gsarivan (KI)


Level 1 - "Poor"
Level 2 - "Substandard"
Level 3 - "A bit deficient"
Level 4 - "Average"
Level 5 - "Better than average"
Level 6 - "Impressive"
Level 7 - "Outstanding"
Level 8 - "First-class"

Caterpillar wrote:
It's one month until they REACH adult stage. That means if it grows up tomorrow, it'll have around 15 days of that stage before becoming and adult.


Yes i think this is true. At adult stage you can still care for it to boost its stats. But you will be able to ride it.

Lumokai wrote:
Thou hath spelt Pikko wrong! She shall smite all thy Flowerpots!


This made me giggle. I will change it ><. How am i going to grow food for my chick now ><.

Risae wrote:
why do we feed chicks paste?


Its a baby. Sure it can eat solid food but we spoil it with pastes ^^. Hopefully we get something in return.

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Ok most of us here are chocobo early adopters. We all have the highest effection level (parent). So how about we stop boosting our effection and start concentrating on boosting stats. Ive already read 2 people who seen there stats change to the 2nd level but than seen it return to poor. The only way this can happen if you do something to it that decrease that abillity. Usually to boost our affection. But can it get any higher as it now, NO.

So pick an abbility and boost it. I want to boost STR. But i need to grow the food for it.


Thanks for all the input i assume the next phase starts soon giving me alot of work to update the OP. I also going to work on making it more readable. Im planning to edit my first reply in this topic to speculations and findings keeping the OP for fact. I use quotes to keep it readable but there is a max. on how many quotes you can use in 1 post.
#64 Sep 06 2006 at 3:45 AM Rating: Decent
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If its 30 days to adult then thats fine, but according to SE it turns adult a bit before it retires.


Who said it retires after 30 days? It reaches Adult stage at 30 days, then retires quite some time afterwards.

Also, i'm willing to bet that tomorrow is the day they grow into adolescence. It just makes sense that the various stages would get longer as they progress, and it's getting close to that no longer being possible. Egg stage was 4 days, if i'm right then chick stage will be 12 days, and that'll leave about 14 days left for adolescent stage. I hope i'm right, I'm curious to see if anyone gets a colored chocobo.
#65 Sep 06 2006 at 4:20 AM Rating: Good
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What if it takes 1 month to grow an adult chocobo. And after 3 months it retires. So you can ride it for 2 months. But after 1 month you should start getting a new one else you be left with none.

#66 Sep 06 2006 at 4:22 AM Rating: Decent
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To the person that sais amonth is a long time.... um I've been playing this game for over 2 years and 8 months, a single month is barely a flicker. Also don't forget that fully upgrading a relic weapon is usualy only done in about a year at it's quickest. So a month to raise a chocobo is not rediculous.

Ok take the following as seriously wild *** speculation. Mind you this is SE we're talking about so you never know.

Has anyone considered that we may not see any colors at all from the first batch of chocobos? That color may be a matchmaking result only? This would be well in keeping with established FF convension.

Also has anyone considered the posibility that chocobo adolescents are ridable (maybe on a limited basis)? This would mean that you'd have to wait till the first month was up to get your adolescent chocobo, it would then be of limited availability (but ridable) for the next month and fully available after that. The stages would then work as follows:

egg: 4 days (not 3 like someone said above - it took all of us 96h to hatch that egg)
chick: the rest of the "month" (again is it 30 days or 31 or 28 or 29 - kinda imprecise)
adolesent: one more month (limited riding but still it's riding)
adult: one last month (but still slowly developing, full riding, bring on the hot chocobo on chocobo action)
retiree: after the above 3 months (no longer developing, full riding, still sexing it up)

This last scenario fits with the "one to 3 month" raising period specified by SE as well as the one month to a ridable chocobo. Please remember that SE does not realy want things happening quickly in this game :P

You could combine these two scenarios for true evilness.
#67 Sep 06 2006 at 6:07 AM Rating: Decent
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strangeone wrote:
Also has anyone considered the posibility that chocobo adolescents are ridable (maybe on a limited basis)? This would mean that you'd have to wait till the first month was up to get your adolescent chocobo, it would then be of limited availability (but ridable) for the next month and fully available after that.


I was also thinking about the possibility of a month to reach adolescence.
#68 Sep 06 2006 at 6:10 AM Rating: Decent
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And what's the problem about retiring chocobos? That only means you wont have to care for it anymore, but you can still ride it and mate it using the VCS cards, and that you can start raising another chocobo.

I cant wait for mine to grow to the young stage :D

Oh, and SE said...
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The process of raising a chocobo from egg, to chick, to adolescent, to adult will take approximately one month (Earth time).


So, its a whole month before it reachs the adult stage and it becomes ridable. I guess there's no chance adolescent stage will last that much

Edited, Sep 6th 2006 at 7:12am EDT by Gawlf
#69 Sep 06 2006 at 7:26 AM Rating: Decent
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SE has made two apparently conflicting statements about how long it takes to reach adulthood. One is 1-3 months and the other is 1 month. I wonder why? Or is there a translation problem again?
#70 Sep 06 2006 at 7:37 AM Rating: Good
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Something small I have noticed. When feeding San d'Orian carrots the 'I hope we can make this animal into a fine chocobo!' message does not come up for me. Perhaps this means that it is a less useful food, or perhaps it means that, since the carrot is nutritious, the VCS trainer doesn't feel the need to say that, and it is a good thing.

Perhaps with more information you can add the 'filling effect' of food to the guide, or at least we can discover if foods fill chicobi by different levels as they grow. Given the eight levels of 'hunger' shown, I can say that a San d'Orian Carrot fills 2/8. Went from 'neither hungry nor full' to 'almost full' (either 2 or 1) and then from almost full to completely full (confirming it as 2).
#71 Sep 06 2006 at 7:39 AM Rating: Good
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Ive updated the opening post to a (hopefuly) more readable format. I hope you guys like it.

To make it more readable i took out alot of source references. But i did keep the people in the special thanks paragraph. I hope they will understand. ^^
#72 Sep 06 2006 at 7:47 AM Rating: Decent
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i already posted this in a different thread, but since this one is more popular ill post it here too. I have a problem with the current theories of how you obtain a chocobo whose color isnt yellow. it seems odd that SE would design the chocobo raising system so that the way you raise a chocobo would influence its color. also, concerning the matter that the black chocobos are breed for military applications, could this not mean that black chocobos have a greater chance of its personalitly and attributes reflecting the description of destrier? (more Strength/indurance, less receptiviy/discernment, and more of a rowdy personality) most people used the egg they obtained from the qeust, or one they bought in jeuno, however, i doubt too many people have hatched an egg from an ISNM, and since the other colors of chocobo (not yellow) are more rare, and these eggs are hard to obtain, it seems to me that the eggs from these ISNMs are the only ones that even have a chance of containing a chocobo that isnt yellow. there may be a % chance of getting a non-yellow chocobo from these eggs or it may be that all chocobo from these eggs are not-yellow, or it may even be that these eggs arent special at all, but it would seem a little odd to me that SE would make players spend 12k IS (in total), for the lv 60 cap(18k IS for the uncapped), for a battle that has 100% chance of dropping an egg that cannot be obtained any other way (except maybe chocobo mating), and have the egg be no different from an egg one could mearly buy from an NPC. so i was wondering, has anyone done one of these ISNMs, obtained the egg, and hatched it yet?


I got my egg from a ISNM and i dont have any kind of personality that would say its a diffrent color, if i got that egg and it isnt diffrent somhow but the ones you just buy are, ima be so pissed
#73 Sep 06 2006 at 8:21 AM Rating: Decent
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I wonder... Why are Azouph Greens so much more filling than Sharug Greens? Are Sharug Greens a snack? Is the affection less? More? More because you can feed a chick more Sharug than Azouph?


This is because Azough Greens are for a lot of hunger and a little affection and Sharug Greens are for a lot of affection and a little bit of hunger. I beleive the chocoguy will say something along these lines, you just figured out which one does which. Gysahl Greens do a moderate amount of each.

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To the person that sais amonth is a long time.... um I've been playing this game for over 2 years and 8 months, a single month is barely a flicker. Also don't forget that fully upgrading a relic weapon is usualy only done in about a year at it's quickest. So a month to raise a chocobo is not rediculous.


I was thinking three months was a long time... that means you only raise 4 chocobos a year on a single character, if you choose to keep raising and not retire the chocobo early.

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What if it takes 1 month to grow an adult chocobo. And after 3 months it retires. So you can ride it for 2 months. But after 1 month you should start getting a new one else you be left with none.


I think someone already answered this, but just because you retire a chocobo, doesnt mean you cant ride or mate it, it just means that it is no longer part of the raising process and you can start raising a new one.

Also thats really interesting that people have risen thier chocobo stats already... i havent heard that before, maybe ill give it a try.
#74 Sep 06 2006 at 8:23 AM Rating: Decent
I would hate to think personality and breed are linked, but it looks like they are. My "likes people" seems to match blue chocobos. It could explain why I am up to 13 NPC cutscenes and others are only up to 2. Alas it may also mean I may have the only blue chocobo here. ; ;

I have a better explanation for the disappearing stats. I think we're supposed to watch the chocobos carefully. The more we watch them the more we learn. If we could examine our chocobos once a week and know everything about them, it would set up opportunities for rmt to get the pure breeds fast. SE is rewarding the people who watch their birds closely.
#75 Sep 06 2006 at 9:39 AM Rating: Excellent
I got the ISNM egg from "Making a Mockery" As of day 15, all abilities remain poor. This is logical, assuming the same scale applies to an adult. A toddler's stamina, strength, etc. would definitely be poor compared to even an adult in poor health. My suspicion is that these stats will not start to climb until adolescence, much as a teenage rapidly increases in strength and stamina to adult levels.

For food, my chocobo generally requires 3 feedings per day. Feeding it when you get the message, "Your Chocobo seems almost completely full." can result in illness the next day.

I have cooking at 74 and change. I also have multiple mules gardening away. As a result, I can feed my chocobo some rather ridiculoulsly expensive foods at a reasonable price. It stings though, I'd really like to make some gil at this, but my mules aren't putting out much more ingredients than I need to keep my bird fed.

I feed my chocobo pastes because I take it to be the chocobo equivalent of puppy chow. Yes, your puppy CAN eat adult dog food, but will get far more nutritional benefits from eating food tailored to the growing animal's needs. I generally feed 1 carrot paste, 1 vegetable paste, 1 herb paste. I don't feed worm paste, both because of the low yield from plants on cupid worms makes it sort of a waste, and because I believe that the primary stat boost is affection, which I don't need. I have the opportunity to care for my choco many times a day. The goal here is to raise all stats equally during the "Childhood" phase of my choco's life. Once these stats start changing, I can customize according to need. Greens, carrots and wildgrass are pretty self-explanatory, I suspect San d'Orian carrots are in the nature of treats, since they're the only direct chocobo feed that is sold under food and not pet items. No nutritional value. May cause a slight increase in affection.

Every now and then I get the message...

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Your chocobo seems quite perky lately. It should be responsive to anything you give it now.


I believe that this indicates that the next food item fed to it will gain a stat bonus. As an example, say str is on a scale of 100. Feeding a Vomp Carrot increases this stat by 2. Feeding a Vomp Carrot after recieving this message might get double the effect, raising str by 4. Operating on this assumption, whenever recieving this message, I feed a celerity salad.

Affection is interesting. I'm starting to get a handle on this, though. Based on LS member's observation of chick behavior, I've come to this conclusion. The highest stat is "Your Chocobo regards you as a parent." The purpose of this message is to let you know how hard you can train your chocobo before having problems causing moodiness and eventually run away chocos. If you get your chocobo to "Parent" status, and stop watching over it while having it walk in town, listen to music, etc. will result in dropping to "wanting to be with you all the time" and so on down to some negative options. Leaving it on basic care and not checking it would be a stable combo. No increases or decreases in affection. Essentially, the more time you spend with your bird, the harder you can train it via plans, and the tougher the animal will get as it grows older. You could spend a week doing hard training until your choco doesn't like you anymore, then cuddle it until it loves you again. Giving your chocob lots of loving care does not directly affect physical and mental stats, it simply allows you to train it harder, which WILL increase those stats.

My belief is Cupid worms can boost your chocobo's affection, but reduce your chocos training benefits afterwards. Therefore, the proper way to use them is to train hard, then use the worm. If you use the worm, then train hard, your chocobo will not benefit. Based on this, and research into the nature of most intestinal parasites, parasite worms may increase stats while decreasing the nutritional benefits of foods fed to your chocobo for a period of time afterwards. Gregarious worms would then increase communication for breeding while reducing feeding and training benefits. My understanding of communication is that it is THE stat that affects the results of breeding. This is of course, speculation. SE plays it's cards close to the vest.

In matters concerning colors, I think SE may have applied the nurture vs. nature approach that is generally considered responsible for how children turn out. There are three, possibly four things that effect the chance that your choco will grow up different than yellow. Childhood nutrition, Parenting, and Geneology are the main three with Environment being a possible fourth. If Environment is something that affects color chances, one would assume that if you want a black chocobo, San d'Oria is the place to be. What egg you use affects the chances, but does not guarantee a color. Assuming SE wanted to reward higher level players for being well... higher level players, this would assume that the best chances of a colored bird come from the uncapped ISNM egg, followed by the lvl 60 capped ISNM egg. However, if you check your chocobo only once a week, leave it on basic care, and only feed it Gysahl Greens because they're cheap, don't cry if your choco is yellow. Even if it is an uncapped ISNM egg.

I'm not claiming to be an expert, although my title has been Chocobo Love Guru for a few weeks. I'm merely attempting to figure out what a dev team spent months/years working out. It's complex, makes the player who wants above average results to apply a rather annoying amount of above average effort, and bears some resemblance to rearing a child or pet. This has been SE's MOS all along. You want to find the fastest way up Delfkutt's Tower, easy. Just take the physically longest route...

Edited, Sep 6th 2006 at 10:44am EDT by BahzellSVT
#76 Sep 06 2006 at 10:13 AM Rating: Decent
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On Day 14 here, i got these messages:

"Regarding affection, it seems to regard you as its parent"
"Your chocobo has been receiving plenty of affection, and it seems extremely happy. Its in excelent condition now!"
"IT does not have much of a personality, making it easy to care for.
"your chocobo seems quite perky lately. It should be responsive to anything you give it now"

ive been feeding it veg paste or carrot paste and normaly take it on 2-3 walks each day and watch over it like 2 times or so.

like few days earlier i cant remember when i did put it on Rest for one day, i didnt know about the coma thing though, but it rested for one day and next day it woke up ok :S so somehow the glitch didnt affect my chocobo? and i did the rest thing in the early stages after it hatched too, so i guess i got lucky lol?
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