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#302 Nov 25 2006 at 9:06 PM Rating: Good
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Except using a third party program that doesn't cheat isn't against the ToS. it's been that way for well over a year.

You should read it sometime, and enlighten yourself, instead of spewing your holier-than-thou babble when you clearly know nothing.



O RLY? Lets ask the Code of Conduct what HE thinks, OK?

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The following are examples of prohibited behavior in FINAL FANTASY XI...
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-Using any programs not specified or provided by Square Enix
-Using third-party equipment and/or programs for controlling in-game characters without being physically present in front of the game terminal (i.e. using "bots").


See, here's the thing. The second clause doesn't negate the first clause, its still prohibited to use any programs at all. Period. Windower, Winamp, Ventrillo, FRAPS, and MSN messanger are all on equal footing here as programs that aren't provided or specified by Square Enix, regardless of how many people want to run them. The fact that SE probably doesn't care has no bearing on the fact that their rules say they are prohibited offenses.

Anyways, the ToS isn't the only thing you agree to. Try looking at those lines of text that appear by the "Accept Button" next time you log in and you see that there is, in fact, another contract you "sign" every time you play. Perhaps you should consider reading it sometime, and enlightening yourself? It would sure save you the embarrasment of spewing smarter-than-thou babble about something you clearly know more than nothing but certainly not everything about :)
#303 Nov 27 2006 at 6:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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superguppie wrote:
Odd that gil prices are down already. I would expect a noticable inflation already, and I haven't, really. Could it be that the number of buyers is going down? Maybe the people are moving on to newer games...


This is because many of the RMT are reregistering new accounts and desperately attempting to refill their coffers with gil. Since they have to start out fresh, and time is shoret before their Xmas selling season, they're dumping as much cheap or easy to make goods on market, thus flooding the market and dropping the prices. Notice how many brass ingots, sheep skins and whatever are on market? Lots. There are dozens of Quadav Backplates on auction, and the price has dropped from 1k to 100 gil a piece. Even Darksteel Ore, which used to net 40k to 50k a piece, now net around 5000 now. This causes a spiral, as well- when many people made their gil farming this stuff, now most can't make any money at this, and are holding off spending any gil because they won't be able to make it back very easily. I know I'm in that position- I used to go on a coeurl hunt once or twice a week and net 150k a hunt. Now I'm lucky if I can get a third of that.

If S-E hands out another round of bannings before Xmas, it'll put many of the RMT out of business, or pushe them to go to other games where the profit is easier. However, you probably won't start to see a price recovery until after the new year.
#304 Nov 28 2006 at 5:32 AM Rating: Good
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This is because many of the RMT are reregistering new accounts and desperately attempting to refill their coffers with gil. Since they have to start out fresh, and time is shoret before their Xmas selling season, they're dumping as much cheap or easy to make goods on market, thus flooding the market and dropping the prices. Notice how many brass ingots, sheep skins and whatever are on market? Lots. There are dozens of Quadav Backplates on auction, and the price has dropped from 1k to 100 gil a piece. Even Darksteel Ore, which used to net 40k to 50k a piece, now net around 5000 now. This causes a spiral, as well- when many people made their gil farming this stuff, now most can't make any money at this, and are holding off spending any gil because they won't be able to make it back very easily. I know I'm in that position- I used to go on a coeurl hunt once or twice a week and net 150k a hunt. Now I'm lucky if I can get a third of that.


Ive noticed this too. Im a mid-level Goldsmither on Gilgamesh (47.4), on the gold ingot stage.When the bans were announced, there was around 5 on sale at jeuno. Now theres over 60 and price has went down to about a third in a few days T_T. Im not that worried though. If the STFU keep it up,them maybe some of us players will be making gil at christmas instead of RMT makin money ^^ Heres lookin to a happy christmas! Keep it up stfu, though i do think atcually having a presence in the game would cause more of an impact. If not for cathing accounts, then at least to give a little hope to the rest of us that we may soon be able to play the game the way its meant to. :D
#305 Nov 28 2006 at 6:43 AM Rating: Good
Atys wrote:
This has probably been said, and my karma might well suffer, but in my slightly-tipsy state I find it mildly funny that Special Task Force unit could be initialised to STFu.

I can't think of the word for what that means to initialise something! Not anagram, but it begins with A, doesn't it?

Edited, Nov 25th 2006 7:34pm by Atys


You're thinking Acronym, methinks.
#306 Nov 28 2006 at 12:49 PM Rating: Decent
This might be fun. Wouldn't it be great if SE would identify the gilseller bots and make them valid targets for attack? Especially if the players could loot their corpses! I know, this won't work in reality (reality?) but it makes me smile everytime I pass a craft-bot or fish-bot!
#307 Nov 28 2006 at 3:09 PM Rating: Decent
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This might be fun. Wouldn't it be great if SE would identify the gilseller bots and make them valid targets for attack?


I don't know about that, but when I played open beta on Rappelz recently I liked their anti-botting system. All over the map they have auto-traps that randomly spawn. As far as the code goes, they appear to be regular mobs, but graphically you can tell what they are. If you attack one you are automatically taken to jail, and face getting banned for it.

It would be cool if SE implemented something like this to fight claim bots. anywhere there is a NM that RMTs bot, they should add an auto-trap. To the bot it would appear like the NM has spawned, and the bot will automatically warp to it and attack as they do, thus being caught redhanded.

They would need to make it so that AOEs do not effect it at all, because that could get someone innocent in trouble. Who tries to claim with firega anyway? Perhaps they could make it completely invisible, so that the only people who could target them, would be the botters. Non-botters would never know they were there.

This wouldn't necessarily get rid of RMT, but it would force them to stop botting. Most of them are lousy players who couldn't get the claim without cheating anyway. It would at least put legitimate players on equal grounds without SE having to re-do the whole system.
#309 Nov 30 2006 at 4:42 AM Rating: Decent
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR 2 AND A HALF YEARS! It's finally coming. We're finally seeing prices drop and an RMT-free Sky! Only thing next is to get rid of all of those damn RMT taking all the money NMs.
#310 Nov 30 2006 at 8:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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#312 Dec 01 2006 at 12:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Lets be honest here. SE only started mass banning the RMT when they stood to loose more from legit players quitting the game than they did from banning RMT accounts.

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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#313 Dec 02 2006 at 8:22 AM Rating: Good
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OR... they said hey look at all the money we can make when they have to go buy the program again and buy new accounts.

just a thought
#314 Dec 02 2006 at 1:37 PM Rating: Default
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If SE wants a suggestion, here's one:

Watch the World of Warcraft team. Do what they do.
#315 Dec 05 2006 at 5:21 PM Rating: Decent
If you ask me, SE should make a clear start by blacklisting known RMT bank accounts, given the fact that most of them are in the same room, I'm pretty sure they won't be using more than a few (to say the least) bank accounts, hopefully this would make a noticable change and put more stress on the RMT themselves.

It's not really hard to tell RMT apart now, since the mass-ban there has been an influx in characters rushing up the lvls, camps in most places are overcrowded by these "whack you're head on the keyboard" names, all rank 1 or anon, in the cheapest gear you could imagine possible either mana-burning, or being pl'd by a suspected RMT who survived the ban... I'm sure most can relate to this server-wide.

So yea... start blocking the known RMT bank accounts so they can't use it again to just re-level another character... because thats all they're doing, right?

But, then comes the point would SE really want to start putting themselves out of pocket by doing that? ...well, that's up to them to decide.

Next on the list would have to be the websites, it's not hard to find currency for any MMORPG now through google or w/e, heck they even have advertisements for it, It's a big business... but how do you stop something like that? and why haven't SE thought about it up until recently? legal reasons? I don't know.

So in short, blacklist known RMT bank accounts, get rid of those gill selling websites. More will arrise, but hey at least it would slow them down.
#316 Dec 06 2006 at 11:26 AM Rating: Good
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SE,

Thank you for stepping up to the plate regarding the #1 issue that was ruining your game. I won't applaud you too much, because this measure was necessity a long time ago & should have been anticipated & enacted when it first became necessary, but, as with any large corporation... these things take time.

I think you've done an fantastic job, recently, at purging your servers of "RMT" and botters, both of which put themselves at an unfair advantage to your standard player base. I think that the "across the board bannings" that you recently enacted where a godsend, in relation to your game.

Additionally, you do & will have more work to do.

I am sincerely hoping that SE and the Special Task Force will stand as firm and as resolute as it's most recent action was both decisive and strong. The botters and the RMT will be a continuing cycle, where they will level themselves up, start devising a way develop a profit margin, and it will be at that point that the Special Task Force will be able to eradicate them, based off of the results of the inquiries that the Special Task Force undertakes.

They (the RMT) will, of course, come back. Hopefully though, if SE is resolute and inventive and firm, they will eventually stop because of the realization that there is no longer a profit margin in between the cost of leveling up & subsquently camping NMs (or crafting or w/e) and then getting banned.

As a player, I am extremely happy that you have taken on this grand undertaking. I feel that you have done an excellent job, and am once again a proud virutal face in the sea of a brave new world.

If you stand resolute, this issue will decline! Keep up the great work!

On a personal note, please take a look at the post: http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=46;mid=1165367083154531927;num=2;page=1 on these boards, if you don't mind.

Many Thanks,

Wish of Lakshmi
#317 Dec 06 2006 at 3:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Tankor: the gilseller digmule problem hasn't happened on Remora server. Lvcha and Coty have switched to other crafts (primarily fishing but both have high level crafts), and only Sphagnum has even bothered to create a single dig mule called Phagnum. (he's an high level goldsmither that likes to cut a lot of rocks)

the latest round of SE account banning did go after groups led by pagonsagon, castle o botters, and some of the sky crews. guess what? they're all back leveling new characters with names of ... pagonsagon, noririy, etc.

chinese were never easily intimidated as in the past, they just come back in even higher numbers.
#318 Dec 10 2006 at 1:11 AM Rating: Decent
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So this is the reason crafting has plummeted recently?
#319 Dec 12 2006 at 5:36 AM Rating: Good
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I know 2 people who have admitted to RMT. First is a long time friend of mine who bought 300k when he was starting out because he wasnt able to make money (we were doing runs for starfall tears selling at 3k back then XD Ah, newbieism). Other because the christmas inflation made him quit, then he came back without any gear and bought it. They're both very sorry and it's kind off besides the point...

What i want to say is, i believe people buy gil because they think they have to. At one time, i met a level 35 bard who was trying to unlock SMN. He was rank 3, but dressed in tons of expensive items; Monster Signa, Astral Rings, all gear HQ. I asked how he had managed to affoard all that, and he told me he got the money from a friend who quit.(shyea right >_>) We got his ruby, he was happy, but before i logged he asked me something that sort-off scared me; "Would people party with me if i didn't have this gear?" It might just be me, but if you're a bard i'll have you naked and gimp for all i care, as long as you've got music.
Maybe, people buy gil because they think all the uber gear is necessary. I can't say it holds true for all the boards, but the THF boards are definetly guilty. (I remember someone stating that any thief without a Harpe(4mil+ before inflation) was gimp) and allready in this thread i've seen SH and hauby listed as "NECESSARY" to level(lol?). If you're level 20ish and think Leaping Boots is necessary to level, farming crystals for 1mil must make RMT look like one hell of a good deal. Maybe if we could make some sort of anti-elitism information feature that would make people less inclined to buy gil early on for stuff they dont need.

A part of this that bugs me, and it's allready been mentioned, is that people are getting dumber and dumber as the game gets easier. (level50SMN that can't use AH? wtf...) Personally, i blame the focus on levelling. I see a lot of people who do nothing but level, just rushing to 75, and missing all the stuff around them. I'd like to see a cap on how much EXP you can get every 24 hours. 10k for starters, with quests at various intervals (level 20 upgrade to 20k, level 40 upgrade to 30k, etc. and a quest to remove it entirely at 75.) much like the limit breaks. This would probably **** off a hoard of people, but it would also force new players to tryout other stuff, since it seems they arent aware of anything besides levelling. Most of them dont ask for help or information, even though the mentor feature is really helpful. Unlike WoW this game actually has stuff to do at all levels. Besides, doing other stuff might get them some rewards to help pay for the sparkly stuff...


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And I suppose someone is gonna tell me the fishing bot I see constantly in Windy is just a regular player, right? Everytime I wave to him on my mule, he logs out. Does that sound like regular behavior to you?


Maybe he's paranoid...
#320 Dec 13 2006 at 11:11 AM Rating: Decent
on Odin server one of our LS members changed jobs, forgot to change macros and accidentially threw away his Bibiki seashell which is not replaceable (1 time quest). This occured 5 days prior to the posting of the new GM rules. having read the new post saying that items accidentillay lost can be returned if reported within 7 days , I instructed the said member to call a GM and request his item be returned. The GM informed him he needed to know the exact time and date the item was thrown away !!!! you have got to be kidding me right ^^No where does it say that the player must keep an accurate log of items lost and record the exact time when the item was lost. Well one of 2 things are going on IMO as we new the date but not the exact time: 1. this was one lazy *** GM who didnt feel like doing any customer service at that time or 2. the policy doesnt exist and we are being spun like a political add campaign??? Although a response to this question and accusation would be appropriate i certainly do not expect to ever get one>.<..... make of this what you will and have a great time in game ^^
#321 Dec 16 2006 at 10:54 AM Rating: Good
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Akaluk wrote:
I'd like to see a cap on how much EXP you can get every 24 hours. 10k for starters, with quests at various intervals (level 20 upgrade to 20k, level 40 upgrade to 30k, etc. and a quest to remove it entirely at 75.) much like the limit breaks. This would probably **** off a hoard of people, but it would also force new players to tryout other stuff, since it seems they arent aware of anything besides levelling. Most of them dont ask for help or information, even though the mentor feature is really helpful. Unlike WoW this game actually has stuff to do at all levels. Besides, doing other stuff might get them some rewards to help pay for the sparkly stuff...


What is right is not always popular and what is popular is not always right but this is an excellent idea maybe to put in place until level 50 perhaps on every job.
#322 Dec 18 2006 at 5:59 PM Rating: Good
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Well, I can say this, prices have dropped like crazy, EXCEPT on rare items. Granted, Blau Dolch has come down to about 8 million on Remora last I checked (it gets as low as 7 mil sometimes). Still, you can't make any money in this economy unless you go after big money drops like these rare items. When Blau was 10 million and prices were a bit higher, I could see it being obtainable because I could still make a decent amount of gil farming. Now I would have to farm a considerably longer to obtain the same item. So OK, you say, "Well just get an LS and go get the Blau Dolch yourself like you're supposed to." Except no, I don't really feel like joining an HNMLS to be exploited and just hope that some day they throw me a bone and give me my dagger. I'd prefer to work with my small group of friends in the game to accomplish things, and I honestly think I could save gil faster than I could get an LS to get me the equivalent drops.

And I guess you could commend SE on getting all that gil out of circulation, but they didn't really fix anything, its actually worse than it was. Now gilsellers are EVERYWHERE, its insane, I never had to interact with them as much as I do now. They are all over the place. They hog up zones like Qufim and Kuftal. You can't XP on Robber Crabs in Kuftal cause theres like a huge alliance of gilsellers in the main room (5 tarus of the exact same model and same gear with nonsense names... come on). I went behind the Mythril Door in SSG and saw a huge alliance of them just standing there, not fighting anything. Its like they were gathering for something. And just try to get one of the NMs that drops Siren's Hair in SSG, its a pain. The same RMT trio is always on Novv the Whitehearted (Minstrel's Coat NM). I even had a RMT party camp right on top of mine in Cape Terrigan yesterday and steal all our crabs. And they are terrible players too, they wiped fully twice, and still kept fighting slowly but surely leveling up, being ready to replace those at 75 when their accounts get suspended.

SE can talk all they want about checking account information looking for gil transfers, but anyone who just walked around Vanadiel could pick out 50 RMT in about 30 minutes, and thats no exaggeration. They all work in parties of 2x NIN (Elvaan), THF (Mithra), 2x BLM (Taru) and a WHM or RDM (Taru as well). I was shocked the other day to see a BRD in their alliance. It doesn't take fancy detective work to spot the obvious. Any moron could pick these guys out. So far I give the task force a solid D+. Its made it worse for regular players, and gilsellers are swarming. You need to remember that there is more to the game than gil, they honestly ruin things like XP in a lot of zones.
#323 Dec 19 2006 at 10:17 AM Rating: Good
I'm going to have to agree with DarkJax's negative tone on this one. I've held my tongue for a long time on this issue, but I finally feel it's the time to speak out. Today I had enough and called a GM about how I can contact the STF. They said through the comments/suggestions section of the playonline website. Ok, first problem with the STF: create a separate way of more directly contacting you, not just using the generic comments/suggestions part of the website. I'm sure my email will probably never even reach them...

So anyways, I gave them a list of about 20 notorious RMTs that basically own most of the endgame NMs with the most expensive drops (Kirin, Roc, Simurgh, Serket, Sozu, King Arthro, LoO (not after today), must I go on?) I had been tracking their activity for weeks and they literally do nothing but cycle the NMs. But you all know the story, typical RMT actions.

Here's where I agree with DarkJax (and I'm extremely pissed right now because RMT JUST CLAIMED SOZU after I waited 20 hrs for the pop): But what the hell??????????????????? The RMT are SO ridiculously easy to pick out. DarkJax wasn't lying when he said any endgame player can pick out 50 in 30 seconds. If they're so easy to pick out and their actions clearly identify them, then what is the hold up???? If they gave me the authority, I could purge Fenrir server of every RMT/bot camper in a day. What is taking them so long? It's almost ridiculous because it makes me feel like they honestly don't know what they are doing. Meanwhile I'm losing 100 Sozu claims in a row and wasting my life because SE doesn't know how to run their game.

It's not rocket science, a deaf dumb blind mentally challenged kid could wipe the RMTs from this game in a more timely and effective manner than SE.

If they really were so dedicated to their cause, I wouldn't have just lost Sozu to Wargood (with his counterpart Goodwar), an RMT who's been here since the game launched and has made it three years unscathed.

::extremely angry at SE/FFXI and thinking of quitting once again::
#324 Dec 20 2006 at 9:39 PM Rating: Excellent
I, for one, will accept a certain level of "gimpness" directly related to a person's game experience. One certainly wouldn't expect a recent college-grad to be driving a brand new Lexus, nor would we expect a retired businessman to be cruising around in his Ford Pinto. Nothing upsets me more than seeing somebody who is leveling their character past their capacity to afford decent gear, but cut some of the newbs some slack. We've all put in our time in the trenches. Sure, I can afford an Okote now, but believe me when I say that I got alot of exp wearing a pair of Battle Gloves. The game has never been about the end result. It has been specifically created to be endless. The pleasure should be obtained from the ride, not the destination.
#325 Dec 22 2006 at 1:22 PM Rating: Decent
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I do not think they are banning gilfarmers that much on Alexander right now. Every time they state xxxx number was banned, we still see the same non-botting gilfarmers in operation. What we do see is a huge drop in HNMers and gilfarmers that use claimbots or other mods to help them with claims. We have also seen a huge drop in gil circulating on our server. Items that cost 10mil+ for two years and now selling between 500k-3mil.

This makes you wonder why if the farmers are still around? Conclusion is that the STF is using the known farmers to lead them to the newly made gil banks that RMT create. So what would happen if they banned the easily noticeable (and stupid) gilfarmers? They would be forced to start from the ground up each series of bans and may encounter more sophisticated gilfarmers that are hard to keep track of. Not to mention the fact that they would have to spend months gaining evidence on the new banks, instead of just watching the gilfarmers that they, and everyone else on the server, know to be gilfarmers.

Sure it means these people are still going to be competing at Ulli and HNMs, but they are doing so now without bot programs or hacks. And if you can not beat a lazy *** RMT (trying to use 6 characters at once) on a claim, why are you even there. I would rather have a fair shot at a claim and spend 100k for an item that previously cost millions. A gilbuyer wont pay 400% inflation when his cost in $ rises 400% as well.
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