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#27 Nov 06 2006 at 6:43 AM Rating: Good
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#28 Nov 06 2006 at 6:45 AM Rating: Decent
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I assume punitive actions against gil buyers would be suspensions. Socially speaking, it means your going to have hard evidence of who is buying by who doesn't show up after suspensions for a few days.


Yeah, but then it's going to also hurt people who are actually taking breaks (like me) because people will be like "HMM so where were YOU when the suspension of gil buyers happen? LAWLZ GIL BUYER!"

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I doubt I will respond to people who have been away for a few days in any negative way, unless they admit to having been suspended, maybe. If someone learns from the suspension and doesn't go wrong again, I will be happy about that.
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I think Alla ate my post. ;;

I looked and it didn't show up.

Does this mean they'll finally ban all those anon taru blm's in level 1 gear manaburning in Qufim Island and beyond?

Just another thought, do the RMT even merit?
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ONe thing i noticed when they were talking about stats, they made it sound like there are less GS in game then there was a year ago, or something to that effect.

But that is so false, GS probalby 10 times more prevelant now then a year ago.

maybe its just less people controlling, i know usually theres only one actual player per 6 characters now.
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#33 Nov 06 2006 at 8:07 AM Rating: Good
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Just wait and see.... as the release said itself, SE needs to be fair too. I think on Cerberus -- there may be like 100-200 people (like 10%) online at any moment that can be suspected to be GS or GS in training.

The fact those guys need to keep leveling up new characters show SE did in fact banned them before, so they need new troops to fill in.

I think the GSs now actually quite smart -- they do not use bots and cheats, but they amass an intimiating number to scare competitors away or use the numbers to their favor for claim.

Edited, Nov 6th 2006 at 8:10am PST by scchan
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#34 Nov 06 2006 at 8:09 AM Rating: Decent
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I think Alla ate my post. ;;

I looked and it didn't show up.

Does this mean they'll finally ban all those anon taru blm's in level 1 gear manaburning in Qufim Island and beyond?

Just another thought, do the RMT even merit?

Only if they are doing something wrong, manaburning in level 1 gear is not wrong >.>
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yes RMT do merit and if you look at them in sky on garuda you will even notice their gear is pretty good (not uber just good, sh+1 af2 ect ect)

I see an trent where indeed those rmt refrain from using bot's cheats ect ect
the mere fact that they are there for like 24/7 365 is enough..

People that buy gil should realise that rmt like to spent their time most profitable that means endgame, so buy gil now have your endgame wasted later..

I am all for suspentions off gilbuyers take them out a while, 2nd offense mark them as gilbuyers for all to see for a month or so, 3th it's delete

I've read the stories off people using hacks exploits bots they played for years to see it deleted sooner or later SE will catch you, is it really worth loosing your online friends and invested time to have some things go easier/quicker then it's supposed to be?
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Ban All of the cheaters! Gil Sellers and Buyers as well as All users of 3rd party software - ie... actually enforce the TOS. As for the poor HNMLSs who have cheated their way to their current status, I have no sympathy for them whatsoever.
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#38 Nov 06 2006 at 8:44 AM Rating: Good
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#39 Nov 06 2006 at 8:52 AM Rating: Good
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I've read the stories off people using hacks exploits bots they played for years to see it deleted sooner or later SE will catch you, is it really worth loosing your online friends and invested time to have some things go easier/quicker then it's supposed to be?


Welcome to the land "Get your f**king gear and quit" (that is actually a paraphrase I read on another forum when some posters are backing another player for speed hacking) type of players.

Yes, there are people who will admit and back actions that is against the rules openly.
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#40 Nov 06 2006 at 8:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Now it is getting interesting let's see how SE is going to go about doing this. I wonder how great the wrath of SE will be on the RMT/cheaters. Will they ban the RMT/cheaters that camp such NMs as: King Arthro, Mee Deggi the Punisher, Behemoth/King Behemoth, Lord of Onzozo, Sozu Rogberry(this would make a all my thief friends happy), and so many others. I wonder if the sky RMT feel SE's wrath (I personally hope so). Well I hope SE isn't all bark and no bite hopefully they follow through with this.


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#41 Nov 06 2006 at 9:07 AM Rating: Good
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Just detect AutoHotKey, and Windower's built-in script feature, and you take out a number of forms of automated gameplay. AHK has been detectable for years, but SE still can't seem to find it, even though the low-risk, high-gain farming bots have been using it for the same amount of time.
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#42 Nov 06 2006 at 9:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Ban All of the cheaters! Gil Sellers and Buyers as well as All users of 3rd party software - ie... actually enforce the TOS. As for the poor HNMLSs who have cheated their way to their current status, I have no sympathy for them whatsoever.



Blade, if they did that, you would be looking for a new mmorpg to play, because FFXI wouldnt exist anymore after that.
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I wish they talked specifically about Fish-botters, but it def sounds promising.


If you want to help do:
1) Report to GMs names of fishers you see there for hours on end never leaving, you 'suspect' botting.
2) Check your AH for Lu Shangs Rod sales. I reported someone for selling 4 rods in hte past 10 transactions. Chances are that he was sent fish by mules in sandy/windy/bastok. GM at least said thanks and he'll look into it (dunno how much will be done though but I can hope)
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I think the GSs now actually quite smart -- they do not use bots and cheats, but they amass an intimiating number to scare competitors away or use the numbers to their favor for claim.


This is how they've worked around getting banned for cheating. SE needs to understand that this is a form of monopolization. No JP or NA players can compete w/ 24/7 campers who out number us. It's just not possible.
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That is precisely how they should look. Bonus points if they're all bigger than Galka, I hope they scare the heck out of anyone who sees them.

And if they had weapons with the literal "ban" proc I'd bow down and worship them for sheer awesome.

(And if one is named Dave, twice as much)
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#46 Nov 06 2006 at 9:43 AM Rating: Good
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One thing that worries me is, however, if SE did manage to take very strong action against GSs group and HNMLS bots, what will be the fall out from such HNMLSs and people who buy gil? We are assuming that a fair large population of both NA and JP that buy gil.

It takes a lot of balance to take very strong action that it will not cause FFXI to breakdown because players leave game because their status quo like working with botting HNMLS or gil buying has broken down.


The balance is that a "clean" game will attract more real players- including the ones who left due to rampant cheating.

And I'll bet people will happily come back when they can play in one. Looks like S-E is as well. Tolerating cheating is only killing your own game.
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Behold the "Special Task Force"...

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Ban All of the cheaters! Gil Sellers and Buyers as well as All users of 3rd party software - ie... actually enforce the TOS. As for the poor HNMLSs who have cheated their way to their current status, I have no sympathy for them whatsoever.


Blade, if they did that, you would be looking for a new mmorpg to play, because FFXI wouldnt exist anymore after that.


Nice, but no. Contrary to popular belief, there are people who don't even use Windower or bots. Like those PS2/XBox players. Or even some of us people on PC's who think people who can't play without cheats aren't worth playing with but worth laughing at for sheer lameness.

Now, would there be fewer PC platform players for a while? Heck yes. If they cheated? Good f-ing riddance to them all, I'm looking forward to it.
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Nice, but no. Contrary to popular belief, there are people who don't even use Windower or bots. Like those PS2/XBox players. Or even some of us people on PC's who think people who can't play without cheats aren't worth playing with but worth laughing at for sheer lameness.

Now, would there be fewer PC platform players for a while? Heck yes. If they cheated? Good f-ing riddance to them all, I'm looking forward to it.


You are thinking black and white.

I would bet, if they got rid of every "cheater" they would lose 50% of their player base.

First if you think they would do that, you are very very dumb. about 200k people at 12.95 a month, thats about 31 million dollars they could possible lose.

Now, add to that, the destruction of alot of hnmls, bet on alot of those people quitting, even the innocent once because alot of their friends are gone.

Now take in account how hard it is to find members to party with at low lvls with the right type of jobs "see is ffxi dying thread" Now more people quit, and no new players that last because of how hard it is to get anywhere because of lack of players.

Now, SE is at a point, do they keep it going with only say 200k users, if that, or do they fold it up and put resources somewhere else.

If anyone thinks is a good thing to just out and ban every cheater, you need to take a course in buisness or economics. It aint going to happen, ever. Becuase SE isnt going to do the "morale" thing and lose possible 10's of millions of dollars.

the game is beyond repair imo, if they are too harsh it can destroy the game, if they arent harsh it could destroy the game.

they came to the plate way to late in this game to step up, 4 years before they put a special task force together? wth, should have been done in first 2 years.



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After the price explosion of last christmas, SE couldn't just turn a blind eye to RMT's influence in the game. I for one am extremely surprised by this, and i think it's awesome.

This is really going to improve the value of gil, so it's time to start hoarding.

edit - i only know 1 person who doesn't use the windower. :P



Edited, Nov 6th 2006 at 10:14am PST by HumeSam
#51 Nov 06 2006 at 10:16 AM Rating: Good
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Cheating in an online game isn't a FFXI only thing. About breaking up HNMLS... I think only the "top ones" will only be affected, and it is probably only limited to like 2-3 LSs per server anyway. People who quit over because their botting friend quited are in no better ground than botters themselves.

I can see a "quit-fest" if SE did break up botting LSs, but I think FFXI will survive that unless SE really overdid it (like start banning windower users, which they have never done). The tight upheld of fair play is also good public relation, it will give good publicity to SE.

Edited, Nov 6th 2006 at 10:18am PST by scchan
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