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#127 Nov 07 2006 at 11:50 AM Rating: Decent
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This special Force should look the Entrance to the Boyoda Tree, Attowa Chasm near Corse, Sea Serpent Grotto where none stop gilsellers kill and camp the nms, Okote nm..., Amemet nm, and Kuftal Tunnel Fishing nm~
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#128 Nov 07 2006 at 11:53 AM Rating: Default
On the windower issue, I want all of them gone. My problem with it is that the people that use it refuse to admit what they are. They are cheating. They are using a a 3rd party program to enhance their gaming experience, while the normal person(or anyone on PS2, such as me) can not do that. Windower "could" be ok, but you will always have people who use it along with map helper(HUGELY unfair as you can see your exact position on a map that you dont have in the game yet), so the only way to totally rid it is wipe the slate clean. It is not unlike buying a brand new game, then using a gameshark to run through a 50 hour game in under 10 hours. It is cheating, no matter the degree. RMT is a problem, but it isnt the biggest. It will always be the shortcuts PC players will take to make their life easier that is the biggest problems. I honestly don't know what would **** me off more, seeing someone point to point to claim KA, or seeing some guy making it through the tree in record time, just because "he can." I wouldn't care if they wipe out 3/4ths of this game getting rid of ALL 3rd party users/RMTs, it would at least be something. I would like SE to have a zero tolerance for this, no more grey areas.

-Buy gil one time? bam! gone
-Use a windower? buh bye
-flee tool? later
-Mrargus? good riddance


Yes you would lose half the NA PC players, but most of JP's core base is on the PS2 anyways, so it would be a welcome sacrifice.
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#129 Nov 07 2006 at 11:55 AM Rating: Default
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Bah, this is going to cut out atleast 40-80% of the people who play FFXI on EVERY SEVER. And it will tear every HNMLS, dynamis, assault, CoP, ZM ls to pieces. Third party tools (windowers...i know alot of people that use them) are commonly used by people who are in endgame activities. Botting users should be banned, but to ban people on simple items (distance? TP? idk about you, but i get annoyed with seeing a <call2> <tp> every 10 secs) would force many people into a permanent retirement.

And as for gil buyers, they are trying to live up to the elitest who say, have this or your lolgimp. Items have gone up in price because people who farm them (cough, RMT AND REAL PLAYERS, cough) charge astronomically high prices for them. What is a lvl 34 mnk to do when if he doesnt have o-kote? well he's going to resort to buying gil. Punishment in hand to the gil buyer and the RL player or RMT, because they all go hand in hand.
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#130 Nov 07 2006 at 12:03 PM Rating: Good
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But Weiwei and Xiaoboss, who deliberately crashed the Sleep Bolt market after I crafted a lot of them in public, are producing for profit not levelling (both those statements are supported by their AH sales pattern).


When those guys checked you, it should be a warning to you that someone may be willing to wage price war. Usually what I do when people waging price war (sometimes are vs GS sometimes vs players), I just hold stock on my mule and don't sell at all.

I do agree, getting rid of RMT crafters will help unneccessary competition and price war. It is actually quite funny, people who are benefiting from the price war will still rant about GS camping their NM. And let say GS campers and crafters are gone, they are gonna rant sushi and their O Kote gets expensive because of reduction of supply :P. My personal opinion is I would rather see more expensive goods and fairer game instead of making the game like Wal Mart (which the GSs are doing).

One good "side effect" of removing GSs is actually the encouragement of players to return to crafting and farming, which will help reducing people need to rush in the game -- more activities for people who are lower level.

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to ban people on simple items (distance? TP? idk about you, but i get annoyed with seeing a <call2> <tp> every 10 secs) would force many people into a permanent retirement.


Making and hitting TP macro and distancing are not hard at all... No one should ever need tools to do that.

Edited, Nov 7th 2006 at 12:07pm PST by scchan
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#131 Nov 07 2006 at 12:04 PM Rating: Good
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I really hope that SE reads these comments, as there have been quite a few ideas. I stand behind them adding their own windower for the PC users. I don't know a single PC user that hasn't used the windower at least once, and nkow many that could not play without it just because they work from home and do things like crafting when they aren't doing anything work related. But I digress, this is more about the RMT than anything else.

For the average player, this is painful. You can tell RMT the moment they hit 20+. No subjob, or level 1 subjob. All Taru Mages, Galka PLD, etc. All from the same nation. All leveling sloppily 24/7. On midgard there is a new group leveling up from Sandy again. It looked like SE took out the old one with the last big banning (Good job by the way).

So why is it that we can smell RMT a mile away and they can't do anything? Ethics is it? Don't want to ban someone that might bea legit player. So here is what you do. Talk to the leaders of the NM ls's on your community forums. Get them to list off all the known RMT they can think of. When you see that every LS lists the same names, watch their account. If they are online and active for a full week, ban them for accountsharing/monopolizing/whatever you want. The order I want to see them crack down on the RMT: Farmers, Crafters, Banks, transfer mules.

Cut off their flow of gil first (and watch the gil prices on the sites rise) then cut out the banks (which it looks like you have ahandle on for the most part), then ban credit cards, ban IP's, do whatever you can to prevent them from starting up again. The problem is that with RMT they have nothing but time, while we have maybe 8 hours a day to play (much less for most, slightly more for others). How do we compete with that?

I'm glad SE is making the move to make this a better game. Next we'll here that they have a 24 hour customer support line and *gasp* (God Forbid) a toll free line to call!

You've made a great game SE, don't ruin it with empty promises and poor customer service.
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#132 Nov 07 2006 at 12:05 PM Rating: Decent
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I think it's great that they're putting this amount of pressure on these (for lack of a better word) cheaters.

But there promising allot and i have my concerns.
Will this turn to a witch hunt were I'll be subjected to threats from players just for camping an NM for a few hours?...Not to mention the jealous affect that follows after the claim...Even though i could'nt get a claim even if Mee Deggi himself died in my hands and tells me how much he loves me.........>_<...damn bird I don't swing that way...

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#133 Nov 07 2006 at 12:15 PM Rating: Good
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Thats great news! Where are all the folk crying fowl about SE Smiley: inlove with the Gil Sellers?

I think SE is doing a standup job!
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#134 Nov 07 2006 at 12:27 PM Rating: Decent
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scchan wrote:
[quote]Making and hitting TP macro and distancing are not hard at all... No one should ever need tools to do that.


So when you have upwards of 8-12 people in a alliance fighting a monster, having all of them throwing out their macros while everyone else is trying to read their log for what they need to be doing? recasting enfeebles? hasting?

The only one i see as being useful is when to know that a blm should be getting ready to MB. SE can implement these things into all the platforms for this game, so PS2 owners dont cry /sigh.
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#135 Nov 07 2006 at 1:09 PM Rating: Default
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In the words of the immortal C. Montgomery Burns "the simpsons"
Excellent.....

First and foremost..Nuke the Claim botters, which are hands down the most underhanded of underhands in the game .. To me it's weakness at it's worst to rob anyone of an equal chance of attaining Nm/Hnm items. It's what we all play the game for in hopes to get eventually.. To have it bot claimed is the most aggravating thing I have seen.
Nuke em like they had plutonium in their azzholes..
To me there is no one more deserving of deletion.

P.S. three weeks I camped LL until I finally got a drop, the original leaping boots,(had the original emperors hairpin too) which I no longer have due to me quitting a while ago..lol.. Left for a whole year until I saw how SE nailed bots and RMT to the wall recently so I came back. If it gets out of control again I'll just go play Perfect dark or call of duty or something online lol..I dam sure ain't going through all this hell to relevel a character again, thats for sure.
Last time I checked I played "games" to have {fun} lol not another job.. Certainly I won't pay for a game on a monthly basis that aggravates me to no avail..I mean aggravation with reward is ok.. but when you remove the rewards all you have is, well... nothing..
SE's doing a good job in my book atm, prices are down, RMT and 3rd party tools are down..Eventually they'll all get sick of wasting their time and money and they'll all quit.. SE has far more resources available to them then RMT does..
Their just slowly hacking their legs out from under them until they make the big crash..

Edited, Nov 7th 2006 at 1:39pm PST by Genocydex
#136 Nov 07 2006 at 1:11 PM Rating: Decent
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If you think easily available gear will stop RMT, think of this: Bounding Boots are trivial to get these days, probably no more than an evening of camping The Liz. They're as close as anything in the game to "given away free by an NPC".
Ha and HA. 0/76 (yes that is actual claims and not just number of times camped) on that rat *******. 55 of those kills were as a THF from 45-70. Whenever I do finally get them I'm gonna wait for LL to pop one more time and then beat the crap out of her with them.

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"Make everything R/EX" is -not- a solution.
Indeed. What they should have done is change Leaping Boots to R/EX and not made Bounding Boots at all. Everybody who had Leaping Boots would automatically get updated to R/EX. Then there wouldn't have been the whole swap out thing going on.

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Just like how Astrals shot through the @#%^ing roof when they were taken out of coffers. I'm happy they finally came back down though.
Problem with Astrals is that they were not made R/EX. They were just moved from a Coffer that THFs could pick every hour to a level capped BCNM that you had to get Seals for. The price went up because they became harder to obtain. They were moved from the Coffer because high level THF players (not just RMT either) were monopolizing the Coffers preventing players from getting their AF.

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So when you have upwards of 8-12 people in a alliance fighting a monster, having all of them throwing out their macros while everyone else is trying to read their log for what they need to be doing? recasting enfeebles? hasting?

The only one i see as being useful is when to know that a blm should be getting ready to MB. SE can implement these things into all the platforms for this game, so PS2 owners dont cry /sigh.
It already is. They made chat filters that people can use for this. Whether people choose to use them or not is up to them.

Edited, Nov 7th 2006 at 1:16pm PST by ViellaPhoenix
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#137 Nov 07 2006 at 1:26 PM Rating: Decent
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Indeed. What they should have done is change Leaping Boots to R/EX and not made Bounding Boots at all. Everybody who had Leaping Boots would automatically get updated to R/EX. Then there wouldn't have been the whole swap out thing going on.


Leaping Boots are a crafting ingredient used to make Winged Boots and Winged Boots +1. If a leather crafter wanted to make profit off of this synth, or someone wanted their boots upgraded, they would have to go out and farm and upgrade one at a time, or they would HAVE to raise leathercrafting to the 80+ range.

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Thanks for the condescending response, but that's something I do instead of playing video games. When I'm at my computer, I enjoy being able to access it fully, regardless of what I'm doing. I end up donating a box or two of books every few months just to make room for new purchases.....but I never read at my computer desk. That's what my recliner is for. :p

When I'm at my computer, I like to chat with friends, write code, mess around in Photoshop, queue up new music in Rhapsody and various other things on one monitor while farming/questing/crafting on another. Sometimes, it's just nice to be able to look up quest/crafting information without having to log out of the game or use valuable printer toner ($100 per refill >:( ) to print things for a video game.

It's great that you're so concerned about how I and other windower users spend our free time though. If only others were self-righteous enough to express their concern similarly. I'm sure that many of us have never thought to read a book before! Keep up the great work!


If you've got 15 minutes of free time, then go wander over to the radio, put in a CD or tune to your favorite station (because unless you downloaded from an official band/free site and/or paid money it's illegal) and then walk over to your recliner and then read. You don't HAVE to constantly use the computer if you've got it on and you're doing nothing else anyways. And if you want quest information, then pick up the brady guide, sue the BradyGames company, and then buy a laptop to look at stuff online. Or hell, go look at the quests you want to do, and then take notes with a pad of paper and a pencil.

As a suggestion for the STF: Change the delivery box code to the old method, so that people can send as many as 8 slots worth of gil at once, in unlimited amounts. As it is, if a mule is sending 1mil worth at a time, they can just claim that they're trying to send profits to their main, or a friend, or HNMLS person, as best as they can. With unlimited gil/8slots again, it should be much easier to trace gil buyers and gil selling banks, by looking for massive amounts of gil sent out to various people. It would also be far tidier when reviewing the logs, rather than tracing multiple accounts lvl 1 banks for 1mil deposits, or trade transactions, or impossible bazaar amounts (like 23mil for a lizard egg, for example.)

An HNMLS would be relatively safe from this, because the gil would stay inside the LS itself, and not have to go through multiple mules and multiple trade transactions and the like, all in one zone.
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#138 Nov 07 2006 at 1:44 PM Rating: Good
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I'm just saying one thing, and one thing only on the windower issue, because to be honest I've read 2 or 3 angry PS2/Xbox360 users who say windower users should be banned and I skipped the last 5 posts.

If this has been said already, I do apologize.

So its unfair that I be able to check alla, etc. while playing FFXI? What do you do with your computer while playing FFXI on your PS2? I'm betting check alla, etc. So I have an unfair advantage? What exactly would you window to on your PS2 that makes a windower an unfair advantage? Oh that's right, you have a hand-held windower:

a remote control.

Its really simple- allow the computer to be what its designed to be, a multipurpose platform. A PS2 is a gaming platform, it does what its designed to do while running FFXI. And if you have a PS2, are paying $12.95 a month for a video game (plus who knows if more for mules, extra equipment for your PS2 in terms of HD, keyboard, etc) and don't have a computer with internet connection, it might be time to rethink your priorities. So don't say "I don't have a computer, so you using yours actually as a computer is an unfair advantage!"

I hope this Special Task Force is a success- against the real cheaters. Those that alter the playing environment for an unfair advantage over other players. Me seeing your TP that the game sends to my computer anyways is not an unfair advantage to you....if fact it helps you acheive higher chains because I can predict when to magic burst fool! I mean the bots of all sorts, from claimbots to craftbots to fishbots to whatever you can bot in this game. Hell even ban the bots if they're at their computer still chatting with a bot running! But if they touch windower, I will gladly wager real money that you'll see well over 30% of the PC users just stop playing. I won't go so far as to say 50%..some of the current windower users will give in, but the vast majority of PC users that utilize windower will NOT tolerate such a thing, and like me, just up and leave FFXI.
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#139 Nov 07 2006 at 1:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Leaping Boots are a crafting ingredient used to make Winged Boots and Winged Boots +1. If a leather crafter wanted to make profit off of this synth, or someone wanted their boots upgraded, they would have to go out and farm and upgrade one at a time, or they would HAVE to raise leathercrafting to the 80+ range.
Winged Boots... >.> Why do these exist exactly? Same as LB only with a few added DEF. My god how could I have missed the uberness of this item. I'm getting wood just thinking about it. Subligars see more use than Winged Boots. SE could delete Winged Boots and I don't think anybody would even notice.
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#140 Nov 07 2006 at 1:47 PM Rating: Decent
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READ READ READ !!!

I dunno what the hell Enix is making the big fuss about. If it wasnt so hard to make gil yourself then there wouldnt be so many people buying and selling gil. There would be next-to no-one buying gil and wasting money on the stuff they could make themselves and so there would be barely any buisness for the GSs. I, personally dont buy gil but i dont have anything against the people who do buy it, most of them are noobs/newbies who havent been told how to make much gil without killing goblins on vomp hill. If we all take the time to tell noobs/newbies where to farm and what to farm at whatever level then there would be no-one left that needed to buy gil. So go ahead ban all the GSs but there will be alot more. Ever since enix started putting the big boot down on these GS there have been more and more low level ones cropping up its become almost impossible to invite anyone because they spam invite OR to make any gil by farming, last week beastmen blood was selling for 20k in jeuno! 20K!!! i couldnt believe my eyes because the week before it had been selling for 90k!

I think Enix are just making the situation worse by banning the GS, Well on the Titan server they are anyway i dunno about the rest...
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#141 Nov 07 2006 at 1:53 PM Rating: Decent
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SE should just make a Windowed patch for the PC users and end all the "I don't use Windower to cheat" rants. Then people who "only use Windower so they can check information on the web while they play" won't need the Windower program anymore. Then they will know that anybody who is still using Windower after that is cheating. Windower arguement problem solved.
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#142 Nov 07 2006 at 2:04 PM Rating: Good
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If you've got 15 minutes of free time, then go wander over to the radio, put in a CD or tune to your favorite station (because unless you downloaded from an official band/free site and/or paid money it's illegal) and then walk over to your recliner and then read. You don't HAVE to constantly use the computer if you've got it on and you're doing nothing else anyways. And if you want quest information, then pick up the brady guide, sue the BradyGames company, and then buy a laptop to look at stuff online. Or hell, go look at the quests you want to do, and then take notes with a pad of paper and a pencil.


I don't spend all my time on my computer, and I doubt that most other people do. However, I'm not presumptuous enough to make assumptions as to how complete strangers are spending their free time, so who can say? :p

To be honest, I spend very little time on my computer. This is probably why I've been playing FFXI since the PS2 launch (though I later changed to PC) and only recently got a character past level 50. Not that it's any of your business, but most of my free time is spent taking care of my dogs, reading, spending time with my girlfriend, dabbling in other more rewarding hobbies or what have you.

Why should I have to spend money on a laptop just to have full access to a PC while I am playing a video game? I have multiple computers in this house as it is. However, it's very inconvenient to have to move to a different PC just to look up information, access programming utilities, chat programs or any other programs I might need to use. Why should I have to use my laser printer to print materials that I will not use more than once? That's just wasteful. Why should I have to manually write things down? What a waste of time and other resources.

It's absurd to think that I should have to log out of the game every time I am curious enough about something to want to look it up (which is very often). No other program monopolizes my computer in this way.

While I'm at it, I'll also refute the implication that I must download music illegally if I'm listening to it at my computer. This is where I get my music. I pay $15/month for this service, and I can assure you that it is perfectly legal. :p My Windows, Dreamweaver, Photoshop, MS Visual Studio and all other programs are legitimate. I don't even rip the DVDs I get from Netflix. If I see something I like, I buy it. However, I'm not such a preachy *** that I would deign to denounce those who prefer not to do things the way that I do.

I gather that you don't like using a windower. More power to you. Many of us have limited time to spend at our computers and appreciate being able to fully access it when we do have the time available. Please understand that you are in no way "better" than those of us who would like for SE to implement a windowed mode.

I mean nothing against you personally, but I perceived your tone as being extremely self-rightous, and it just really rubbed me the wrong way. I'm sure you meant no harm by it. :)


As for the other topics at hand (Leaping Lizzy, specifically), I do wish that SE would throw us a bone by increasing some of the drop rates on a few of the highly desired itmes, particularly things like Bounding Boots, which many consider a prerequisite for certain jobs. It would not imbalance the game to reward players for taking a little time to camp for them. There are plenty of special items available to players who are willing to go above and beyond (CoP rings, etc). It's insane that someone could kill Lizzie upwards of 70 times without ever being rewarded for that effort. That's just madness.










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Believe me, I agree that windowing should be a part of the game (if only to stop the ******* button on my keyboard which is basically alt+tab combined for the hyper lazy people from crashing the game.) But the arguments that you're using (look up quest info which was DESIGNED to be figured out by yourself, change music, play on paint) are not really that good of an excuse. If you're so bored with all this stuff, then don't toss out the SE disclaimer of "ignore friends/family/drug habits/orgy commitments/sunday school/etc." because they WILL tell you that you can use that time that you're choosing to waste, in a productive manner instead.

Take that time and do something productive with it, like read a book. Or think of GOOD arguments, and stick with them, like "hitting any one of five separate buttons accidentally (sleep button, alt+tab combined, alt+tab separate buttons, alt+escape separate buttons, internet browser hotkey) on a modern keyboard will crash this game, and we need a 3rd party program to stop it." The ones about how Windowing itself doesn't allow cheating in is a good argument too, since if you can cheat WITHOUT windowing, then it follows that Windowing itself is not the prime cause of cheating.

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Winged Boots... >.> Why do these exist exactly? Same as LB only with a few added DEF. My god how could I have missed the uberness of this item. I'm getting wood just thinking about it. Subligars see more use than Winged Boots. SE could delete Winged Boots and I don't think anybody would even notice.


You can sign Winged boots, advertising either your crafting or a friend as a leathercrafter. That's about all I can think of in their defense, aside from skilling up. But they are there!
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#144 Nov 07 2006 at 4:33 PM Rating: Good
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But the arguments that you're using (look up quest info which was DESIGNED to be figured out by yourself, change music, play on paint) are not really that good of an excuse.


Well, my main point is only that I like to have full access to my own computer. The examples that I'm using are merely illustrative of the tyes of things that I personally do for fun and work on my computer. For all anyone knows, I get paid to do things in Photoshop/Dreamweaver/Microsoft Visual Studio (a programming suite). After all, I don't need to make "good excuses" to use whatever programs I need so long as I'm not breaking any laws. It's my computer, and it's my free time.

As for the whole RMT monopolization of highly desired mobs.....What if we had some instanced content? I don't mean things like Dynamis, either. I'm talking about truly instanced content.

Also, it would be nice if crafters had more incentive to craft, as it seems that many of their money makers have been monopolized by RMT crafters. At times, it does seem that certain RMT cartels go out of their way to muscle out the competition. Now that ffxiah.com exists, it would be very easy for one to do research toward that end. However, I don't know if many RMT players are organized and sophisticated enough to pull something like that off on a large scale or not.




Edited, Nov 7th 2006 at 4:35pm PST by senorcoconut
#145 Nov 07 2006 at 5:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Square-Enix needs to give PC users the ability to change windows without having to use a 3rd party windower program otherwise people have to literally switch to another computer or something just to check stuff. I'm sure most of the people using windowers don't like standing up and running to another computer to check stuff when they're already sitting at the computer they play FFXI on.

If it's RMT's you want to try an eliminate, how about removing the /anon and /follow commands in the game. Without a /follow command, RMT's will fall into turmoil.

Edited, Nov 7th 2006 at 5:42pm PST by Seizure
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#146 Nov 07 2006 at 5:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Yes, this is my first post. The subject made me do it...

I don't think this post is about Windows apps that would allow me to alt-tab to the browser to look up information. I don't have an extra PC so I print all my stuff before hand.

And, as another bit of information, I've been playing since July and my highest level is 29. This should tell you that I'm only in the game for fun. I can only party on weekends, farm all my gil, and craft.

Now, in response to the original request in this thread, I'm a web and database programmer. It would seem to me that SE could locate most RMT farmers based upon AH transactions. I doubt that SE saves all transactions but with 10 or more so avaiable when checking price history, at least 10 are saved. Is it not possible to analyze this data to find out the accounts that are selling but not buying game items?

An example is http://ffxiah.com/player.php?id=601102. It just seems odd to me that this player is buying only crystals but selling lots during the course of a day. More interesting is http://ffxiah.com/item.php?id=5314&stack=1&sid=11. Granted, I'm a newbie but this seems like a monopoly to me. I would think these individuals would have some sort of activity for armour or weapons if they were playing the game.

That's my first post and my 2 cents worth.
#147 Nov 07 2006 at 10:09 PM Rating: Decent
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First of i think SE has to take a look at there own prices in game. 1000g for a potion! come on now, that alone is horrible. After your first weapon and gear up grades it could take you 4-6 days to get your second *full* set after farming like a mad man. I do not agree with RMTing or Boting but i can see why they are becoming a huge factor in FFonline right now.
They have more direct control over the economy and gameplay then SE does. Why
is this? Because, they are giving players what they want. RMTs and Botters that control our AH's and economy are there because a large precent of gamers have need of them. Even to injoy the plot line and earn your rank and fame you need decent gear and lvls to do the quests/missions. Lvl 51-75 characters are not going to help you, its a waste of there time they are past that... unless they have nothing else going on at the time. I.E CoP. (lvl Caps suck.. we all know it. why do end game ppl want to back track and always have low lvl gear that takes up there space kicking around so just in case the can help some random stranger!)
For suck a rich and lush game full of story, action, drama, love, character interaction, and diversity why is there so little player to player connection now?
Hell, if your LS doesn't want to help u there is a very slime chance that a stranger will (thou i have found a good few that are kind enough to help mostly Pld and Whm :D luv you guys!!!). Teleports cost between 3-6k now, and only take 10sec of real time to Dem or Holla your **** there(Thank god for the chocobo wistle implament). So even if you are a Lvl XXWar/XXsub and you have your best gear its still going to take you a good while to go from point A to B.
Now what is all this rambling coming to... a point yes there is a point i just choose these at the draw from the hat. All other MmoRpg still retain a *easier* manner to play and injoy there games. I think SE really needs to take a look at other games and see why ppls play them and then not make it a pain in the **** to have what they have.

WoW vs FFonline.
- WoW: *Mounts are quested.
*Multipul out comes to your mount.
*Can have them readly and as bloody many times as you want!

- FFO: *Mounts are quested .
*Multipul out comes to your mount.
*Takes to long to get, and then you have to recharge your whistle.

I.E. Use the whistle up and what you worked so damn hard to get has to be "rebought", hell it should be yours for good no strings attached! After a month of real time raising the ******!

IRO vs FFonline.
-IRO: *Tremondus class choice.
*what you pick is what you are.
*more class skills and choices not gear and item controlled.

-FFO: *Tremondus Class choice.
*can multi class and sub job :D
*Less class Skill and choices, and is gear and item controlled.

I.E. Lvl 45Monk vs Lvl20-25 goblin fisher/smith ... hell monk will win but the goblin will dye happy knowing that it smacked the monk around good because its armour sucked.

Even if you banned all the RMT/gill seller and buyers/botters accounts, you would still have the same problem rise from the ashes. Items cost to much from the npcs, decent gear is most often frustratingly hard to aquire due to drop rates and pricing, and Even at 75 a goblin can kill you LOL XD. The game is run of money , money , money . Some ppl dont have the time you and I have to put into the game yet still want the same experience for playing it. I personally dont think that this is a bad thing. And god do we need a alt + tab option. I went to windower so i wouldnt have the problem of crashing and,... playing on the Internet will Lfp is always fun :) SE should go after there designers and Gms to make it more *FUN* for us paying players...
#148 Nov 07 2006 at 11:11 PM Rating: Good
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It's all well and good to say look we are doing something. Kinda like George Bush saying he is gonna change his tactics after 2 years of turmoil in Iraq. You can't get rid of gil-sellers until you eliminate the need for them. If you level a meelee at lvl 59 you need a haubergeon otherwise you are considered gimp. Most people I know can't make 4 million gil so they just buy gil online. If you don't make a way for someone to obtain armor such as that other than buying it than gil-sellers will always be around.


2-3 weeks I legit got the gil to buy my Hauby, fishing/farming/crafting. My static partner would have beheaded me had there been any shady business, if I hadn't beaten him by jumping out a window. :P Legit players can make the money fast. I like the effort I put into working for that armor, it wouldn't have meant much to me if it had been handede to me, or if I'd had to buy the rl currency to get it.

Something mentioned concerning the idea of SE selling gil, then chancing in game prices from vendors/etc to compensate....

Whoa, whoa, Stop there.... raise the price to chocobos/vendors/other to compensate for RL bought gil for those that chose to buy it from SE if they were to start selling the items/gil in game? Thanks for the offer but I'll have to pass. That would ***** over the legit players and force us into either leaving farming even more, and encourage people to leave or do the very behavior that we're discouraging! No, just No. Leave the vendors as is, get rid of the buyers and the sellers. Don't shatter the rules give up and tell the gil sellers/buyers that they win.

We NEED more legit players, I liked the CoP add on and the capped areas, I want more of those, hell, I want use items like the sprout/guide barret that work within the game that you can create/distribute within an ls without having been the one to invite the person to game! That would rock for leveling with some of the people in my LS that are -well- behind the rest of us.

Anyway.... I've seen arguments that try to say why people buy gil, I know the reasons and I know people that have bought the gil, and I know a lot of those peeps were infuenced by the 'I need this to work and to be effective as a.... [insert job here]' There is not a good reason to buy gil. There is NO legit reason to buy! Eesh. Vahn[Leviathan Server] Nightfall[Leviathan Server] managed to farm the gil for both pld and drk equips effectivly in 2-3 weeks and be the best equipped they possibly could be for those levels. I enjoyed my time doing it(Yes, Nightfall = Me, Vahn=My static buddy at the time).

The fun in this game isn't the end game imho, it's not being at the end of the trail and having beaten everything, the fun is in camping/farming/questing everything. The fun is the journey there and getting there with friends. Buying the gil is something that cuts out half that road I think.

Get rid of as many of the bastards that buy and sell the gil that you can. Do it! We've got some on my server I can think of, the 'gg's, every last one of them has a name ending in gg, most that I've seen are pretty well equipped BLMs that are listed as RMT by at least one of my LSes if not more.

Leviathan server: 'gg's you'll know them if you look for them. :p

>_> Don't scream too loud, last time I went to skill up one of the plds in my group teased some dead rmts by continuing to start casting raise on them then running off before the spell finished. Good fun.
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#149 Nov 08 2006 at 12:07 AM Rating: Decent
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whatever is done, do NOT ban people with the windower and ONLY the windower. some people on computer get those damn error messages with the "send" "don't send" options at the bottom, and (the mother of all ***** overs) norton updates.... better yet, add some form of windower into the game.
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#150 Nov 08 2006 at 12:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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What I cannot understand is why SE refuses to tap into the RMT market in order to increase the profitability of the whole FFXI business. What SE REALLY needs to do to combat RMT is to enter the RMT business. If SE sold gil directly, they could put out all RMT (since all SE has to do to make gil is push a button). By pricing the external RMT out of the market, SE could recognize additional revenue for a marginal increase in costs. In fact, costs may actually be lower in the long run because enforcement investigations (which SE admits are time consuming) would be reduced.

SE would have to track the value of gil by server in real time (like RL currency markets) so that individual world participants could understand how their server's economy is changing as a result of gil selling.

I understand that initially, this will cause a huge amount of inflation, but SE can adjust the gil sinks in game (prices from NPC's, chocobo vendors, etc.) to compensate for the purchased gil and create a stable economy.


Not to sound rude, but this honestly struck me extremely wrong, my first impression was that this was an uneducated statement. Alas first impressions are not always correct. This is a novel idea, and in a perfect world where you would only buy gil to get that one piece you have to have, would work nicely. The problem with this is that it would not cause a initial inflation, but would completely decimate the economy.

Think of this, right now all the RMT sites compete with eachother for price, but SE could just "make" gil and not have to work for it. Meaning they could sell for pennies on the dollar compared to working RMT. This would work for removing them. Yay no more bots.

Now we address the problem. Think of crafters who set around all day crafting their little fingers off, the prices will be so messed up they would hardly make any money. Now one would think "oh more gil higher prices" this would be true in the beginning, but as time passed prices would fall so drastically because eveyrone would be rich and gil would be so cheap to buy that no one would worry about buying crafted items because they could power craft. Also once one person got all the "sweet" gear then they would camp the nms thier friends need, and so on. This would pretty much eliminate the auction house because everyone would have the good stuff and wouldn't need to buy anything, which in turn makes the people who craft/farm/camp go broke. Basically making the only way to obtain ingame worth to buy gil. This would be distructive also because then people would get frustraited and quit on a large basis causing SE to loose more money then they would by attacking the RMT directly. Also if everyone with a few spare bucks could buy enough gil for "that one last piece" then the ones without the money are screwed.

Now to address the problem some people have with the windower program. People on ps2/xbox/360 I have seen say "I don't see why they need it." Of course you don't because if you want to do something else or want to leave your mule on bazaaring over night all you have to do is unhook the AV cable and bam your good. Where as pc users can't so they have a disadvantage, do you consider that fair? Now I, at one point, did have windower but I feared getting keylogged/hacked so I deleted it. Problem is once a week I hit my windows key which *uhoh* knocks me right out of the game, but out of the fear of having my account stolen or getting banned I just go back in the game. One day this happened to me twice in one party warrenting me being permanently kicked from the pt and /blist by atleast 3 of them. I know they blist me because when I would try to /tell them it would tell me my message was not recieved yet my friends could /tell them just fine.

I would like to see SE eliminate the hackers and the RMT sites, and further find a way where they could allow users to not loose in-game connection when full screen mode was lost.

I for one would not have a problem with a program like Warden, the program Blizzard Games has implimented on their multiple online games. Yes it is a form of spyware but almost everything you install today has some form of spyware. All they would have to do is scan for anything interacting with their processes or any unauthorized program sending packets to their servers.

I know this was long winded and I appriciate any feedback, praise, or ridicule users here or staff at SE may have.
#151 Nov 08 2006 at 2:56 AM Rating: Good
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Sorry for the long post, but I really felt like responding to some comments, and not making all separate posts.

kisami wrote:
My point is if buying Gil solely to obtain in 2 weeks something that normally would take you a month; why not make it possible to obtain that same thing in a shorter time without the need to buy Gil. Why not form a committee to come up with a way to do that. Because trust me, if people could obtain good gear, without necessarily making it too easy, but accessible by the casual gamer, then they wouldn’t waste their money on Gil.

This sounds like turning FFXI into WoW. But since WoW is already there, I don't see the need. Anyone who NEEDS RMT to get anywhere in FFXI shouldn't be playing FFXI. I am NOT looking down on WoW, I just see it as a product for a different group. FFXI was made to stay interesting for people who play a lot a long time. Those people should be able to show off the results of their efforts. Otherwise, they won't stay interested.
Also, to a very large extent we already have this. Much good equipment IS easily available. However, noone wants good equipment, no. We all want that ueber equipment that is the reward that all those hardcore nolife gamers get from their waaaaaay too long content. If people would really settle for good instead of ueber, that might already take a serious bite out of the whole RMT problem.

Erawyn wrote:
superguppie wrote:
On the windowing issue, I don't think anything will have to be developed. From what I know, FFXI originaly had no problems with Alt-Tab. However, the first cheating programs were activated by starting FFXI, Alt-Tab to desktop, start cheat program, Alt-Tab back. SE decided to fight cheating and put in extra code to stop Alt-Tab. If cheating is remedied in other ways, Alt-Tab may be enabled again. In that case Windower would no longer be needed.


Explain to me how other games get a long just fine with a wondowed mode? EQ2, WoW, GW...you can window out of all of them and the admins don't mind it.

Before Windower was released, there were hacks and bots availible that ran dormant in the background, and you could do everything you needed to do within the game. Windower doesn't open the flood gates for hacks and bots, it just makes it easier to do so. Windower isn't directly the cause for the multitude of claim bots, voke bots, fishing bots, crating bots, guild bots, ah bots ect that we see everywhere. They were there before Windower was released.

What I meant was, that from what I heard (I started playing when the EU version and CoP were released, and all was already done) the first PC version had Alt-Tab enabled, and disabling it was one of the first steps in the fight against cheats. As you say, it failed in that the next batch of cheats simply worked it's way around the need to start when FFXI is already up and running. But the main point is, at first FFXI did have windowed mode. Extra code was put in to suppress it.
In the light of this, the notion of 'developing windowed mode' seems more like just taking out the code that disables it. In other words, if cheats are fought in different ways, the extra code to suppress Alt-Tab could be removed. I don't call that developing windowed mode, I call that taking out an earlier development. That is usualy a lot easier, and a lot faster to do.

ViellaPhoenix wrote:
Lets look at it this way. Think of FFXI as a garden. The legit players are the flowers and RMT are the weeds. When the weeds are out of control, the flowers do not grow as abundantly. However, if you remove the weeds the garden may look a little bare for a while but with the weeds gone it eventually fills back up with flowers.

What a beautiful way of saying it. Let's hope that some day we can smell the roses of Vana'diel just by stepping into the garden.

Grandlethal wrote:
I don't know a single PC user that hasn't used the windower at least once.

You do now. /em raises hand.

EvilOllie wrote:

If it wasnt so hard to make gil yourself then there wouldnt be so many people buying and selling gil.

It isn't hard, it just takes time. Impatient people will always complain when things take time. This game was made to take time. Got a problem with that, go find a game that doesn't. But don't ruin it for people who do have time.

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If we all take the time to tell noobs/newbies where to farm and what to farm at whatever level then there would be no-one left that needed to buy gil.

QFT!
Extra effect of gil-buying: People never ask for it, and never learn, so they remain RMT clients.

From the comments on Windower, I did get the feeling it might be nice if SE would have a look at the plugins and see if there are any that would make nice new features. In that case the advantage that people using those plugins have now would become an advantage for all. It's better to copy a good idea, than to come up with a bad one.

I noticed that we are already using the term 'the STF'. However, STF is more like a category name for a structure in an organization. Many STFs get names to set them apart from other STFs. I think this STF needs a better name than just the category name. Considering ViellaPheonix' analogy, I propose "The Gardeners".
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