Special Task ForceFollow

This special Force should look the Entrance to the Boyoda Tree, Attowa Chasm near Corse, Sea Serpent Grotto where none stop gilsellers kill and camp the nms, Okote nm..., Amemet nm, and Kuftal Tunnel Fishing nm~

Bah, this is going to cut out atleast 40-80% of the people who play FFXI on EVERY SEVER. And it will tear every HNMLS, dynamis, assault, CoP, ZM ls to pieces. Third party tools (windowers...i know alot of people that use them) are commonly used by people who are in endgame activities. Botting users should be banned, but to ban people on simple items (distance? TP? idk about you, but i get annoyed with seeing a <call2> <tp> every 10 secs) would force many people into a permanent retirement.

And as for gil buyers, they are trying to live up to the elitest who say, have this or your lolgimp. Items have gone up in price because people who farm them (cough, RMT AND REAL PLAYERS, cough) charge astronomically high prices for them. What is a lvl 34 mnk to do when if he doesnt have o-kote? well he's going to resort to buying gil. Punishment in hand to the gil buyer and the RL player or RMT, because they all go hand in hand.

I really hope that SE reads these comments, as there have been quite a few ideas. I stand behind them adding their own windower for the PC users. I don't know a single PC user that hasn't used the windower at least once, and nkow many that could not play without it just because they work from home and do things like crafting when they aren't doing anything work related. But I digress, this is more about the RMT than anything else.

For the average player, this is painful. You can tell RMT the moment they hit 20+. No subjob, or level 1 subjob. All Taru Mages, Galka PLD, etc. All from the same nation. All leveling sloppily 24/7. On midgard there is a new group leveling up from Sandy again. It looked like SE took out the old one with the last big banning (Good job by the way).

So why is it that we can smell RMT a mile away and they can't do anything? Ethics is it? Don't want to ban someone that might bea legit player. So here is what you do. Talk to the leaders of the NM ls's on your community forums. Get them to list off all the known RMT they can think of. When you see that every LS lists the same names, watch their account. If they are online and active for a full week, ban them for accountsharing/monopolizing/whatever you want. The order I want to see them crack down on the RMT: Farmers, Crafters, Banks, transfer mules.

Cut off their flow of gil first (and watch the gil prices on the sites rise) then cut out the banks (which it looks like you have ahandle on for the most part), then ban credit cards, ban IP's, do whatever you can to prevent them from starting up again. The problem is that with RMT they have nothing but time, while we have maybe 8 hours a day to play (much less for most, slightly more for others). How do we compete with that?

I'm glad SE is making the move to make this a better game. Next we'll here that they have a 24 hour customer support line and *gasp* (God Forbid) a toll free line to call!

You've made a great game SE, don't ruin it with empty promises and poor customer service.

Thats great news! Where are all the folk crying fowl about SE with the Gil Sellers?

I think SE is doing a standup job!

In the words of the immortal C. Montgomery Burns "the simpsons"
Excellent.....

First and foremost..Nuke the Claim botters, which are hands down the most underhanded of underhands in the game .. To me it's weakness at it's worst to rob anyone of an equal chance of attaining Nm/Hnm items. It's what we all play the game for in hopes to get eventually.. To have it bot claimed is the most aggravating thing I have seen.
Nuke em like they had plutonium in their azzholes..
To me there is no one more deserving of deletion.

P.S. three weeks I camped LL until I finally got a drop, the original leaping boots,(had the original emperors hairpin too) which I no longer have due to me quitting a while ago..lol.. Left for a whole year until I saw how SE nailed bots and RMT to the wall recently so I came back. If it gets out of control again I'll just go play Perfect dark or call of duty or something online lol..I dam sure ain't going through all this hell to relevel a character again, thats for sure.
Last time I checked I played "games" to have {fun} lol not another job.. Certainly I won't pay for a game on a monthly basis that aggravates me to no avail..I mean aggravation with reward is ok.. but when you remove the rewards all you have is, well... nothing..
SE's doing a good job in my book atm, prices are down, RMT and 3rd party tools are down..Eventually they'll all get sick of wasting their time and money and they'll all quit.. SE has far more resources available to them then RMT does..
Their just slowly hacking their legs out from under them until they make the big crash..

Edited, Nov 7th 2006 at 1:39pm PST by Genocydex

Leaping Boots are a crafting ingredient used to make Winged Boots and Winged Boots +1. If a leather crafter wanted to make profit off of this synth, or someone wanted their boots upgraded, they would have to go out and farm and upgrade one at a time, or they would HAVE to raise leathercrafting to the 80+ range.



If you've got 15 minutes of free time, then go wander over to the radio, put in a CD or tune to your favorite station (because unless you downloaded from an official band/free site and/or paid money it's illegal) and then walk over to your recliner and then read. You don't HAVE to constantly use the computer if you've got it on and you're doing nothing else anyways. And if you want quest information, then pick up the brady guide, sue the BradyGames company, and then buy a laptop to look at stuff online. Or hell, go look at the quests you want to do, and then take notes with a pad of paper and a pencil.

As a suggestion for the STF: Change the delivery box code to the old method, so that people can send as many as 8 slots worth of gil at once, in unlimited amounts. As it is, if a mule is sending 1mil worth at a time, they can just claim that they're trying to send profits to their main, or a friend, or HNMLS person, as best as they can. With unlimited gil/8slots again, it should be much easier to trace gil buyers and gil selling banks, by looking for massive amounts of gil sent out to various people. It would also be far tidier when reviewing the logs, rather than tracing multiple accounts lvl 1 banks for 1mil deposits, or trade transactions, or impossible bazaar amounts (like 23mil for a lizard egg, for example.)

An HNMLS would be relatively safe from this, because the gil would stay inside the LS itself, and not have to go through multiple mules and multiple trade transactions and the like, all in one zone.

Winged Boots... >.> Why do these exist exactly? Same as LB only with a few added DEF. My god how could I have missed the uberness of this item. I'm getting wood just thinking about it. Subligars see more use than Winged Boots. SE could delete Winged Boots and I don't think anybody would even notice.

SE should just make a Windowed patch for the PC users and end all the "I don't use Windower to cheat" rants. Then people who "only use Windower so they can check information on the web while they play" won't need the Windower program anymore. Then they will know that anybody who is still using Windower after that is cheating. Windower arguement problem solved.

Believe me, I agree that windowing should be a part of the game (if only to stop the ******* button on my keyboard which is basically alt+tab combined for the hyper lazy people from crashing the game.) But the arguments that you're using (look up quest info which was DESIGNED to be figured out by yourself, change music, play on paint) are not really that good of an excuse. If you're so bored with all this stuff, then don't toss out the SE disclaimer of "ignore friends/family/drug habits/orgy commitments/sunday school/etc." because they WILL tell you that you can use that time that you're choosing to waste, in a productive manner instead.

Take that time and do something productive with it, like read a book. Or think of GOOD arguments, and stick with them, like "hitting any one of five separate buttons accidentally (sleep button, alt+tab combined, alt+tab separate buttons, alt+escape separate buttons, internet browser hotkey) on a modern keyboard will crash this game, and we need a 3rd party program to stop it." The ones about how Windowing itself doesn't allow cheating in is a good argument too, since if you can cheat WITHOUT windowing, then it follows that Windowing itself is not the prime cause of cheating.



You can sign Winged boots, advertising either your crafting or a friend as a leathercrafter. That's about all I can think of in their defense, aside from skilling up. But they are there!

Square-Enix needs to give PC users the ability to change windows without having to use a 3rd party windower program otherwise people have to literally switch to another computer or something just to check stuff. I'm sure most of the people using windowers don't like standing up and running to another computer to check stuff when they're already sitting at the computer they play FFXI on.

If it's RMT's you want to try an eliminate, how about removing the /anon and /follow commands in the game. Without a /follow command, RMT's will fall into turmoil.

Edited, Nov 7th 2006 at 5:42pm PST by Seizure

First of i think SE has to take a look at there own prices in game. 1000g for a potion! come on now, that alone is horrible. After your first weapon and gear up grades it could take you 4-6 days to get your second *full* set after farming like a mad man. I do not agree with RMTing or Boting but i can see why they are becoming a huge factor in FFonline right now.
They have more direct control over the economy and gameplay then SE does. Why
is this? Because, they are giving players what they want. RMTs and Botters that control our AH's and economy are there because a large precent of gamers have need of them. Even to injoy the plot line and earn your rank and fame you need decent gear and lvls to do the quests/missions. Lvl 51-75 characters are not going to help you, its a waste of there time they are past that... unless they have nothing else going on at the time. I.E CoP. (lvl Caps suck.. we all know it. why do end game ppl want to back track and always have low lvl gear that takes up there space kicking around so just in case the can help some random stranger!)
For suck a rich and lush game full of story, action, drama, love, character interaction, and diversity why is there so little player to player connection now?
Hell, if your LS doesn't want to help u there is a very slime chance that a stranger will (thou i have found a good few that are kind enough to help mostly Pld and Whm :D luv you guys!!!). Teleports cost between 3-6k now, and only take 10sec of real time to Dem or Holla your **** there(Thank god for the chocobo wistle implament). So even if you are a Lvl XXWar/XXsub and you have your best gear its still going to take you a good while to go from point A to B.
Now what is all this rambling coming to... a point yes there is a point i just choose these at the draw from the hat. All other MmoRpg still retain a *easier* manner to play and injoy there games. I think SE really needs to take a look at other games and see why ppls play them and then not make it a pain in the **** to have what they have.

WoW vs FFonline.
- WoW: *Mounts are quested.
*Multipul out comes to your mount.
*Can have them readly and as bloody many times as you want!

- FFO: *Mounts are quested .
*Multipul out comes to your mount.
*Takes to long to get, and then you have to recharge your whistle.

I.E. Use the whistle up and what you worked so damn hard to get has to be "rebought", hell it should be yours for good no strings attached! After a month of real time raising the bugger!

IRO vs FFonline.
-IRO: *Tremondus class choice.
*what you pick is what you are.
*more class skills and choices not gear and item controlled.

-FFO: *Tremondus Class choice.
*can multi class and sub job :D
*Less class Skill and choices, and is gear and item controlled.

I.E. Lvl 45Monk vs Lvl20-25 goblin fisher/smith ... hell monk will win but the goblin will dye happy knowing that it smacked the monk around good because its armour sucked.

Even if you banned all the RMT/gill seller and buyers/botters accounts, you would still have the same problem rise from the ashes. Items cost to much from the npcs, decent gear is most often frustratingly hard to aquire due to drop rates and pricing, and Even at 75 a goblin can kill you LOL XD. The game is run of money , money , money . Some ppl dont have the time you and I have to put into the game yet still want the same experience for playing it. I personally dont think that this is a bad thing. And god do we need a alt + tab option. I went to windower so i wouldnt have the problem of crashing and,... playing on the Internet will Lfp is always fun :) SE should go after there designers and Gms to make it more *FUN* for us paying players...

whatever is done, do NOT ban people with the windower and ONLY the windower. some people on computer get those damn error messages with the "send" "don't send" options at the bottom, and (the mother of all ***** overs) norton updates.... better yet, add some form of windower into the game.

Sorry for the long post, but I really felt like responding to some comments, and not making all separate posts.


This sounds like turning FFXI into WoW. But since WoW is already there, I don't see the need. Anyone who NEEDS RMT to get anywhere in FFXI shouldn't be playing FFXI. I am NOT looking down on WoW, I just see it as a product for a different group. FFXI was made to stay interesting for people who play a lot a long time. Those people should be able to show off the results of their efforts. Otherwise, they won't stay interested.
Also, to a very large extent we already have this. Much good equipment IS easily available. However, noone wants good equipment, no. We all want that ueber equipment that is the reward that all those hardcore nolife gamers get from their waaaaaay too long content. If people would really settle for good instead of ueber, that might already take a serious bite out of the whole RMT problem.


What I meant was, that from what I heard (I started playing when the EU version and CoP were released, and all was already done) the first PC version had Alt-Tab enabled, and disabling it was one of the first steps in the fight against cheats. As you say, it failed in that the next batch of cheats simply worked it's way around the need to start when FFXI is already up and running. But the main point is, at first FFXI did have windowed mode. Extra code was put in to suppress it.
In the light of this, the notion of 'developing windowed mode' seems more like just taking out the code that disables it. In other words, if cheats are fought in different ways, the extra code to suppress Alt-Tab could be removed. I don't call that developing windowed mode, I call that taking out an earlier development. That is usualy a lot easier, and a lot faster to do.


What a beautiful way of saying it. Let's hope that some day we can smell the roses of Vana'diel just by stepping into the garden.


You do now. /em raises hand.


It isn't hard, it just takes time. Impatient people will always complain when things take time. This game was made to take time. Got a problem with that, go find a game that doesn't. But don't ruin it for people who do have time.


QFT!
Extra effect of gil-buying: People never ask for it, and never learn, so they remain RMT clients.

From the comments on Windower, I did get the feeling it might be nice if SE would have a look at the plugins and see if there are any that would make nice new features. In that case the advantage that people using those plugins have now would become an advantage for all. It's better to copy a good idea, than to come up with a bad one.

I noticed that we are already using the term 'the STF'. However, STF is more like a category name for a structure in an organization. Many STFs get names to set them apart from other STFs. I think this STF needs a better name than just the category name. Considering ViellaPheonix' analogy, I propose "The Gardeners".