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EDITORIAL: Will FFXI Survive the Rapture?Follow

#102 Jun 17 2009 at 6:10 AM Rating: Good
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#103 Jun 17 2009 at 6:24 AM Rating: Decent
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So, the question is will the release of Final Fantasy XIV spell the end of Final Fantasy XI


I dont think it will spell the end of FFXI there are too many people who are feeling I put so much time into this toon that i dont want to stop now... there will always be loyalists... i mean look at all the people who scream FFVII is teh greatest ever!

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What kills me is all the people saying they're gonna quit FF11 as soon as FF14 is out. Why? We know FF11. We don't know FF14. What if it turns out to be radically different to FF11


I am gonna be one of those people... hopefully at open beta! My expectations is that FFXIV will be radically different from FFXIV.

Was FF2 different than1? was 3 different than 2? and so forth yes Every FF is radically different than the previous one... unless it was a sequel to the Game and then it still had some changes.

FFXIV is not a Sequel to FFXI! so yes its gonna be different. They moved what the toons look like from 11 to 14 to give 14 a comfortable feel to make it more familiar with players who want to try it but are gonna be kinda iffy.

they have done it in almost all of there game using similar looking characters... outfits... weapons... enemies...

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I just hope when the day comes that SE decides it's no longer viable to keep the servers up, they have prepped a private host version for those of us not ready to quit.


there is a player base attempt at doing this right now search the alla forums for more info or google projectffxi

#104 Jun 17 2009 at 7:27 AM Rating: Excellent
Pawk, you didn't do a very good job of quoting my post. First of all, you forgot this part:

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It’s too early to know whether the dawn of Eorzea will spell the end of Vana‘diel. There are too many players across too many servers for FFXI to die entirely, at least anytime soon. It wouldn’t surprise me if FFXI lived on for years to come.


You also cut out many important lines within the lengthy section you quoted, which changes the meaning and presentation of the article. Seriously, that's not very cool. If you're going to try to use my own words to make some kind of point, then please, don't censor/change my article in the process... otherwise it's misleading.

I'm not the kind of fellow to throw out broad statements that I can't prove one way or the other. That's why you'll never find me definitively writing, "Yes, FFXI will certainly die" or "no, FFXI will certainly not die."

In any case, that's not what my editorial is about. As I stated a few posts ago, it's more about how FFXI will change following the release of FFXI. (If you go back and read the section of the article you quoted in its entirety -- without the lines you omitted -- then that's perfectly clear.)

As to why admins post editorials? It's because the ZAM network is an online media site, and editorials are a basic component of print and online media. In other words, it's part of the job.

It's not ego... don't let my Top Gun avatar fool you!

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#105 Jun 17 2009 at 8:00 AM Rating: Default
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Thayos wrote:
Pawk, you did a great job of highlighting parts of my post that you believe make your point. You forgot this part:

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It’s too early to know whether the dawn of Eorzea will spell the end of Vana‘diel. There are too many players across too many servers for FFXI to die entirely, at least anytime soon. It wouldn’t surprise me if FFXI lived on for years to come.


I'm not the kind of fellow to throw out broad statements that I can't prove one way or the other. That's why you'll never find me definitively writing, "Yes, FFXI will certainly die" or "no, FFXI will certainly not die."
I actually quoted the last bit of that since I felt it carried the message of that statement. Again, the overall tone of the piece carried the very strong message that you feel the impact of FFXIV will be a crippling blow to FFXI.
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#106 Jun 17 2009 at 8:13 AM Rating: Default
and what if FF14 is a crippling blow to 11, will you go cry in your room?

who cares, it is a game, if it dies it dies, if it goes on for years it goes on, not sure why many of you are so frightened.

Personally, I expect SE to pull the plug within a year of ff14's launch with them believing they can force everyone out of ff11 to 14, because they are that full of themselves, and It will be a fun day on alla watching all the people in denial.
#107 Jun 17 2009 at 8:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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Again, the overall tone of the piece carried the very strong message that you feel the impact of FFXIV will be a crippling blow to FFXI.


Actually, this is exactly what I think.

Now, will it be a lethal blow? Or will FFXI recover? (a.k.a. the "will ffxi die question.) Only time can answer that question.
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#108 Jun 17 2009 at 8:27 AM Rating: Default
the best thing is all the people in this thread responding how they hate ffxi dieing threads, yet they keep reading them and responding.

word of advice, if you hate these threads, dont read them,

if you hate brussel sprouts, do you keep going to the store and buying more?
#109 Jun 17 2009 at 8:30 AM Rating: Excellent
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I posted earlier in the thread and am content with those posts voicing my opinions of the original post.

I did, however, notice that even though Admins do not have the ability to be rated based on content, they are automatically placed at excellent? I ask because, and let us be honest here, there is a large volume of people who post on these forums that ride the bandwagon and don't generally form opinions of their own.

My concern would be that these people, in general, see a post marked excellent and instead of honestly critiquing it or reading it fully (including comprehending it) they simply post that they agree based solely on the fact that it is already 'excellent'. If this was truly an editorial, and I agree it is, then you'd not have the karma function associated with it.

Thayos is correct in saying that the vast majority of informative/constructive posts in this thread have not been defaulted. That may be due to the severe lack of drama though that the usual bottom feeders would expect in a thread of this nature.
#110 Jun 17 2009 at 8:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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The admin karma thing isn't something we as individual admins put in place by choice. It's something that was put into place years ago by the devs and you are welcome to voice your concerns over it in the Feedback Forum. That being said, this is an editorial from the front page and this thread was meant to be a discussion topic about it. I don't think the karma should or does have anything to do with it because readers here are well aware that all admin posts default to that.
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#111 Jun 17 2009 at 9:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Honestly, the whole idea that we should be able to rate admins is kind of stupid. For an admin to do his/her job people will need to be able to read everything they post. If an admin posts a rule for the site yet most people don't like the rule and was able to rate it into Sub-D status people couldn't read it due to it being filtered out. It would give people a "Well I didn't know" cop out excuse to being a douche on the forums.

That being said, Admins are people too. They have thought and ideas and want to share them with the rest of us as we want to share topics and ideas with everyone else on this site. To tell them that they can't share a stray thought they had one day is pretty stupid as well. Even though the same topic might get Sub-D rated if a non admin posted it.

Is it a bit of a double standard for us non admin people...sure. I would not have rated this thread down if it were possible. Rating down someones personal opinion is in poor taste, in my opinion. This thread was not a random FFXI is Dieing thread. It is a "I wonder what will happen to FFXI after FFXIV begins". He is not saying the game will die, he is wondering what the future will bring.

For the love of God, people really need to stop being so rate down happy. Stop wanting to rate down everyone who you don't agree with 24/7. Thinking differently then someone is not a crime nor should it be punished or discouraged.

Free thinking is a gift most of us take for granted. In some countries voicing an opinion that differs from those in power is a offence punishable by death. No one here thinks that that way of thinking is the correct way to go right? So stop trying to kill the thoughts and ideas of others just because they differ from yours.
#112 Jun 17 2009 at 1:54 PM Rating: Good
For those that haven't figured it out yet, FFXI really is dying a slow death. People need to understand that just because FFXI is 'online' in 1-2years, it doesn't mean the game isn't slowly becoming a corpse. If 90% of your town left for greener pastures, do you think that would be a good thing? Of course not, the local economy would tank and no services would be running. Online MMO's will recreate this truth in the virtual plane. But wait, EQ is still running so that's a glimmer of hope, right. Not exactly, EQ is run by a different company with their own policies. Not only that, FFXI is so group focused for events and such, the loss of 75-90% of the player base would be catastrophic to FFXI.

Why do you guys think SE gave us Level Sync and Fields of Valor? Or crappy download content like RMT inspired ACP? I didn't think much of it when another poster at the time commented that SE was redesigning FFXI to function on it's own, thus preparing for a drop out of players. The poor ******* was rated down for his insight. Now with FFXIV ready to put FFXI into a grave, it seems he was right after all.

The bottom line is people will be leaving by the masses next year. It could be old friends are leaving or maybe a long time LS finally disbands. Most people aren't going to keep playing a game that has a 1:1 ratio of players/RMT. Speaking of the brograme /tells, I recently called a GM to report one. Well instead of being addressed by a GM, I received an automated message. You know what that means folks, that SE can't stop them and doesn't want to waste resources answering complaints about it.
#113 Jun 17 2009 at 2:13 PM Rating: Good
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SE has always been slow to deal with RMT. They were around for 3~4 years before they actually took a stand and started banning them. I don't think that really is any indication of whether FFXI is dying or not.

Anyways, not one person from my LS has quit since the announcement. In fact, I haven't even seen any of my friends outside the LS quit either. We still run events daily and get things done.

That said, IF my LS were to break and most of my friends leave, I wouldn't really have a reason to play FFXI as it is right now. So maybe I understand some of your post, Thayos, when you state that you fear some of your friends will leave. Perhaps that is the reason you have continued to play till now and have felt the need to question whether FFXI is dying or not when they left and your social LS died.

Anyways, I don't understand why people are leaving right this very moment instead of waiting till the release. What exactly are you going to do for a year+ (come on..it is SE: you know there will be a delay in the release)? I know I could only shoot at zombies in L4D for a max of 4 months before I needed my baby back. Good luck with that. >_>



#114 Jun 17 2009 at 2:25 PM Rating: Good
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SE has always been slow to deal with RMT. They were around for 3~4 years before they actually took a stand and started banning them. I don't think that really is any indication of whether FFXI is dying or not.

Anyways, not one person from my LS has quit since the announcement. In fact, I haven't even seen any of my friends outside the LS quit either. We still run events daily and get things done.

That said, IF my LS were to break and most of my friends leave, I wouldn't really have a reason to play FFXI as it is right now. So maybe I understand some of your post, Thayos, when you state that you fear some of your friends will leave. Perhaps that is the reason you have continued to play till now and have felt the need to question whether FFXI is dying or not when they left and your social LS died.

Anyways, I don't understand why people are leaving right this very moment instead of waiting till the release. What exactly are you going to do for a year+ (come on..it is SE: you know there will be a delay in the release)? I know I could only shoot at zombies in L4D for a max of 4 months before I needed my baby back. Good luck with that. >_>
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I'm talking about resources and lack of them because FFXI isn't their priority right anymore. SE is working diligently to have FFXIV take over WoW's spot so their resources are scattered very thin now. Your opinion of SE taking years to confront the RMT doesn't make sense as they have since dealt with them with the hacks and STF.

I'm not sure if you were referring to my post, but I don't foresee people leaving until FFXIV is released or Beta at the earliest. So I don't think it's wise to judge people's reactions now and pretend everything is kosher. FFXI will be over 9 years old when FFXIV comes out. PS2 limitations aren't helping matters when trying to upgrade content. Most people will wait and see, but chances are they will leave once people start leaving Vanadiel for their new home. FFXIV might not be a sequel to FFXI, but it's damn close by transfering your char looks and friend's list.

Edited, Jun 17th 2009 5:27pm by ShadowedgeFFXI
#115 Jun 17 2009 at 3:43 PM Rating: Good
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Pikko wrote:
I don't think the karma should or does have anything to do with it because readers here are well aware that all admin posts default to that.


It might not be directly on topic but a number of people would be happy to relegate this drivel to the sub-default bin like they do with the rest of the "FFXI IS DIEING" threads.

I personally don't care one way or the other. I just like poking things/making observations. That and the working as intended borked karma system is always an interesting conversation item.
#116 Jun 18 2009 at 3:08 AM Rating: Default
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HitomeOfBismarck wrote:

Anyways, I don't understand why people are leaving right this very moment instead of waiting till the release.


For the same reason people complain about FFXI being too hard and/or time consuming and yet won't just go play something easier. They don't want to admit the game beat them so they grit their teeth and keep playing.

It's no wonder that they keep repeating the mantra that FFXIV will kill off FFXI. It gives them an escape hatch from a game they hate but won't stop playing out of sheer stubborn will to not "lose".

Edited, Jun 18th 2009 10:04am by Lobivopis
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#117 Jun 18 2009 at 4:21 AM Rating: Decent
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I was with you right up until "loose."
#118 Jun 18 2009 at 5:04 AM Rating: Default
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Edited, Jun 18th 2009 10:05am by Lobivopis
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Adjust the resolution of menus.
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I thought of it first:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=130073657654872218#20
#119 Jun 18 2009 at 11:53 AM Rating: Good
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Man I hope with all my attatchment to my character that IX doesn't suffer to the point it dies.
I mean i REALLY hope that, and in the worst case scenerio, I hope SE has the customer appreciateion to release a private host version if it does die.

Those things being said, after 6 years of observing and being affected by SE's mindset and customer service, I have no doubt they are capable of "forcing" XIV on us via dereliction of IX.

Should that be the case I truly won't move to another Mmorpg developed and run by SE.

Here's hoping they have picked something up from player feedback the last 7 years.
#120 Jun 18 2009 at 1:04 PM Rating: Decent
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I stated back when FoV and level sync was introduced that ffxi was on its last legs, this was before the announcement of ff 14. i was sub defaulted for that comment then, and im sure i will be again, the point is, we all saw this coming, nothing lasts forever.

i hate the thought of my 5 year old character biting the dust for the last time, and i will log in till the very last day fighting, but expect to see server merges, and lack of new content following the release of 14, make no mistake, it WILL happen, the question is, how many of you that are so worried about it going to stay and "fight" to the end, only with our support will 11 survive.

i intend to try 14 just like everyone else on release day, but i will never abandon vana'diel, and i hope the rest of us dont either, with enough support SE will keep it alive with new content, the ball is in our court now people.
#121 Jun 18 2009 at 7:18 PM Rating: Default
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You also cut out many important lines within the lengthy section you quoted, which changes the meaning and presentation of the article. Seriously, that's not very cool. If you're going to try to use my own words to make some kind of point, then please, don't censor/change my article in the process... otherwise it's misleading.

Edited, Jun 17th 2009 8:33am by Thayos
Actually, if someone wants to see their original context, they need look no further than the first post. If I were quoting you in some far flung corner of the site with no reference back to here, that would be "not cool".

What is not cool is re-editing a post that was replied to and changing the entire tone of that post. Had you been as aggressive in your stance initially, I would have to state that your personal bias in the piece really lowers any value it has.

Sorry Thay, but that's poor form. And this is my last post in this "discussion".
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#122 Jun 18 2009 at 8:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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What is not cool is re-editing a post that was replied to and changing the entire tone of that post. Had you been as aggressive in your stance initially, I would have to state that your personal bias in the piece really lowers any value it has.


I changed my post about two minutes after posting it initially, after realizing how you'd omitted key things that I'd said. That's poor form, Pawk, and I have nothing to be sorry for.

Also, Pawk, it's an editorial... my own personal opinion... so of course it's biased!

EDIT: Correction... six minutes had passed. You make it sound like I waited a whole day and then ninja changed it! Sheesh.

Edited, Jun 18th 2009 9:41pm by Thayos
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#123 Jun 19 2009 at 4:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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Anyone complaining because they are tired of this topic is a baby. If you literally lose your **** when you see a new thread about an old topic, then you have a lot of growing up to do - and a lot of perspective to gain. Not to sound too cliche but, get a life.
#124 Jun 19 2009 at 5:34 AM Rating: Good
pawks, you obviously hate these topics, maybe insecure, worried, scared if FFxi dies, but if you hate these topics so much why do you read them and respond?
#125 Jun 19 2009 at 10:01 AM Rating: Good
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I'm not really sure why people freak out over repeat posts, either. There are so many thousands of posts on Alla, at this point you could probably claim that almost EVERY thread not devoted to new content update news is a "dead horse". I'd prefer to judge them for the reasoning within them and the intelligence (spelling included) of the poster. Who cares if it's been discussed before? Our entire lives circulate around discussing the same things over and over again; just look at politics, or asking how someone's day was when you know quite well it's likely just the same as the day before it?

Anyway, back on topic: I'm not so sure FFXIV will hold on to new players for very long, for the following reasons:

1.) As has been mentioned before in this thread, it's likely to have very limited content. Picture FFXI pre-Zilart. We didn't even have *Altepa*. Artifact Armour didn't exist. The latest bandwagon job, SAM, wasn't even created yet. We've lived in such a content-rich environment for years that, as others have said, it will be quite a shock to our system to enter something new and smaller.

2.) PlayStation 3 (and lack of 360 support). I'm guessing a lot of people stay because they can't upgrade. The PC requirements won't be too terribly high, I'm positive anyone who can reasonably run Crysis will do just fine, but for those console-oriented gamers without a PS3, how *can* they move? It's not exactly a cheap purchase for many involved.

3.) As others have said before, too, this is Square we're talking about. The company we enjoy mocking for how long they take to respond to player concerns and wants. The company with the atrocious customer service if you ever should have to call the Information Center. Are we *really* expecting this same company, the same group of developers, to successfully launch a new MMO that doesn't manage to immensely **** off a huge crowd of gamers within 30 minutes? And then take 6 subsequent months to fix it? I'd have more faith in Blizzard, and I don't even *like* WoW. Many of these, I suspect, will retreat to FFXI, which is for all intents and purposes a polished product. If you think FFXI's list of needs and glitches is bad, just wait until XIV is released. New MMOs never have a flawlessly smooth opening, and I'm positive XIV will be no exception. How many people that convinces to go back to XI for a year or two until they get it stabilized, that remains to be seen.

Regardless, to answer some of Thayos' questions, I think it'll survive just fine. Once the servers have merged and the remaining population stops worrying about the sky crashing down, I expect everyone to settle back in to routine roles of insider jokes and late-night adventuring. There's lots we can do 'for lulz' in FFXI, and I plan to stay active in such activities for many years to come. I somewhat doubt I'm alone.
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