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#1 May 15 2010 at 12:20 PM Rating: Decent
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Just curious if one will play ffxi? I play on pc already, but was thinking it would be kind of fun to be able to just take it into whatever room in the house I wanted to, or just leave it on for a mule or something. If it's possible, what would you recommend for specs?

I know ffxi doesn't need a great pc to play it in the first place, however, I would like to be able to play it at settings that wouldn't look like garbage and wouldn't fry whatever netbook I was using. Also, I have ffxi on D2D, so not having a disk drive isn't an issue.

edit: sorry if this has been posted before or is a dead horse topic, I didn't see anything on it.

Edited, May 15th 2010 2:21pm by spazzretired
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#3 May 15 2010 at 12:25 PM Rating: Decent
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Any idea what I should be looking for in a netbook? I don't really know a ton about them. From what I've seen most places only advertise the battery life, HD and memory. After looking at some online it seems like they all have the same processor so that shouldn't be an issue. Any other information you could give me would be appreciated though.

edit again: Before anyone says "just get a laptop", I really don't need one, I really only want to use it to go on the internet anyway, but if I can get one that plays ffxi well it's just a bonus for me.



Edited, May 15th 2010 3:07pm by spazzretired
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FFXI is a little picky about the graphics cards it will run on. Make sure whatever you get can handle it. There are software work arounds for that, but the ones I tried never seemed that great. That was maybe 4-5 years ago when I was playing with them though, they could be better now. The screen on a netbook isn't exactly large or hi-res usually, so I don't understand your concerns about running at low settings, you probably will almost have to anyways.

As for requirements, see here:

http://www.playonline.com/ff11us/envi/win/win01.html?pageID=win

Most netbooks seem to more than meet the minimum requirements. Just shows you how old FFXI is and how far tech has come since.
#5 May 15 2010 at 1:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for the reply. The main thing that I was worried about in regards to the resolution was reading text. Since the screens on netbooks are only like 10" I was thinking that it might be too hard to read if the resolution was too low. Any thoughts on this?
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Thanks for the reply. The main thing that I was worried about in regards to the resolution was reading text. Since the screens on netbooks are only like 10" I was thinking that it might be too hard to read if the resolution was too low. Any thoughts on this?


I was thinking of doing the same thing myself. In the main room i'll be using it, i have a lcd monitor thats just sitting there that ill hook up to the netbook via vga port.

On the 'road', etc, I just think setting the books' display brightness & contrast,along with ffxi config and in-game graphical settings to optimize text clarity.
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#7 May 15 2010 at 1:37 PM Rating: Decent
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I think I'll give it a try. Like I said I was gonna get one anyway just to go online. I'm thinking maybe I'll just set my search comment to say something to the effect that I won't be able to read text or something on my pc before jumping on it. Hell It would be worth it to play even on the lowest settings if I could take it anywhere with me and just find a wi-fi hotspot, although my wife will probably divorce me now that ffxi will be mobile lol.
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Yes. I am currently posting from an Asus Eee PC 1005PEB that I play FFXI on while at work or Travelling(my gaming laptop died right before a trip, I wanted something cheap and portable). In White Gate it gets about 6-7 FPS, in fields and such it can go up to 12-15. In heavy stuff like Campaign it can be a problem, but honestly I find more issues playing with the latency on my cell phone than the system itself. I wouldn't suggest being a main healer, but you can definitely play most jobs correctly. Stuff like thanking and as I mentioned main healing in an alliance may have issues. I've taken it to dynamis before though, as BLU, without too much issues.

As for suggestions on what to get, go for the higher processor and memory you can get. n450 atleast, and I believe a new set of Dual-Core netbook processors are slated for a summer release, so maybe if you have time see how that pans. (Unless they mean this?)

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#9 May 15 2010 at 3:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Fantastic, I was hoping someone could give me information that actually played on one! I usually don't campaign anyway, I wasn't going to try anything fancy on it, just solo or like I said use it for a mule. Thanks for all of the helpful info, I will definitely take your suggestions. If anything I can at least go off of your netbooks specs and try to get something similar or better. I'd rate you up if i could, lol!

Edited, May 15th 2010 5:45pm by spazzretired
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Well good luck on your net book purchase. I cannot give you any suggestions as to what to buy but obviously there are many available. Nowadays keep in mind that a lot of laptops themselves are just as much as a net book and might be a better investment in the long run depending on what it is you plan to do with it. I bought a Toshiba Satellite, dual-core, 3GB memory, 250gb hd, 15" screen, ati graphics 3100 for about 450.00 that was on sale at Best Buy. Granted net books may be cheaper than that by a hundred or two hundred. I love my 15" screen and would never settle for anything more in size or less. But that's me.

Also as for running FFXI in the lowest graphics possible, the funny thing is that it might look like crap. But every command you do is almost instant on the screen. In Besieged you can see pretty much everything around you, granted it might work the CPU more due to the fact but the FPS is pretty nice. It is basically the best trick in the book when it comes to camping NM, HNM; anything that pops that has competition. Has gotten me multiple claims versus other people that didn't see the monster pop for 2-3 seconds after I did. Also another weird thing about being in the lowest settings.

You actually see the monster appear, with their name colored like they are dead and the monster briefly appears dead on the ground for a split second and then is alive and running around. It's easy to miss if you are a constant blinker. It's pretty interesting to see the game run 30 FPS+ though even if the graphics suffer. Definitely a different perspective and experience if you have never tried it. Good luck on your purchase :-) And yes, playing FFXI for many years, I've mostly had flings/dates here and there. Hard to make time for school, work, ffxi and someone else. Easier to just sleep around in some sense with no obligation. At least that is how I deal with it.
#11 May 15 2010 at 3:57 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, like I said before it's basically just going to be for going on the internet(and ffxi when applicable), I don't really need a laptop. Having a bigger screen would be nice of course, but I'd rather have the convenience of something lighter to carry with me around the house and if I take it on the road. Thats very interesting about the framerates though. I knew that it could help with latency, but I had no idea it was to that extent. I might just have to lower the settings on my pc, lol.
#12 May 15 2010 at 5:46 PM Rating: Decent
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There are still some netbooks and even fullsize laptops lurking around that do not have Hardware TnL. Check the graphics chipset for any you're looking to buy and quickly google it for some specs to see if it has or has not.

There are workarounds, but you'll get better performance out of FFXI and many other games (even silly little flash games) if you choose this as your minimum spec.
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I run FFXI off a 2008 Acer Aspire One. It only had an 8 gig internal SSD so I got around that by installing FFXI on a 16 gig SDHD card. To me, that was the hardest part - I had to borrow an external USB CD drive since the netbook doesn't have one internally.

I don't recommend it for full time use. It handles regular play, but for events, it becomes a sloggy lagfest. If you play FFXI on it consistantly, like any lower end laptop, it'll probably burn out within a year.

I do recommend avoiding both SE's official Windowed mode as well as Windower, since the netbook processor isn't powerful enough to multitask very well. I run it in regular boring full screen mode with no bells and whistles. So if you're addicted to Recast, don't get a netbook.

I use the Acer for playing FFXI while traveling. Just because you're on vacation doesn't mean you have to miss Salvage!
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#14 May 18 2010 at 3:25 AM Rating: Decent
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I play FFXI quite often on a Dell Mini 10v. It works well on the lowest graphics settings, with the lowest clipping plane and character models set to minimum, but it depending on what you're going to be doing. I wouldn't recommend besieged or a crowded campaign though.
#15 May 18 2010 at 5:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Thanks for all the replies everyone, I ended up buying an Acer with the 450 processor, 1 gig memory and 160GB HD. I'm actually in the process of updating the ffxi files as I type. It hasn't given me any problems running POL or anything so I'm pretty positive seeing that, and with all of your input, it's going to run np.

The only other thing I was worried about was connecting to different hotspots while on vacation and such. SE never discloses their banning process and randomly connecting to different ISP's had me thinking it might throw up a red flag or something, but it seems like people here do it, so I'm not too concerned anymore.
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Thanks for all the replies everyone, I ended up buying an Acer with the 450 processor, 1 gig memory and 160GB HD. I'm actually in the process of updating the ffxi files as I type. It hasn't given me any problems running POL or anything so I'm pretty positive seeing that, and with all of your input, it's going to run np.

The only other thing I was worried about was connecting to different hotspots while on vacation and such. SE never discloses their banning process and randomly connecting to different ISP's had me thinking it might throw up a red flag or something, but it seems like people here do it, so I'm not too concerned anymore.


Let us know how it goes when playing ^^
#17Runespider, Posted: May 18 2010 at 6:07 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Ffxi being so old causes a lot of problems, it can run terribly on good duo/tri core processor systems since it doesnt support them and will just use 1/2 or 1/3 of them. It's also really picky about video cards and drivers, I spent weeks getting FFXI to run as it did when my last video card fried.
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Thanks for the reply. The main thing that I was worried about in regards to the resolution was reading text. Since the screens on netbooks are only like 10" I was thinking that it might be too hard to read if the resolution was too low. Any thoughts on this?

You can set the HUD resolution separately from the graphics resolution, so it shouldn't be a big deal.

As for video cards and CPUs, FFXI will only run using one core of your CPU, and without touching any GPU that might be on your video card, so keep this in mind when looking at the performance of the netbooks you're thinking of buying. (This is because it wasn't programmed to be aware of -- and therefore wasn't programmed to use -- multi-core CPUs, or any GPUs. They did not yet exist at the time.)


EDIT: In reply to the above post, I would contend that FFXI actually deals with wireless better than most non-turn-based games, thanks to it's comparatively slow pace of gameplay.
I've been playing via wireless ethernet for the past year without any major issues.

Edited, May 18th 2010 10:58am by Volkai

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SE never discloses their banning process and randomly connecting to different ISP's had me thinking it might throw up a red flag or something, but it seems like people here do it, so I'm not too concerned anymore.

From what I can tell, successfully logging from multiple IPs is perfectly fine, but multiple failed login attempts from different IPs will raise red flags and cause them to at least temporarily lock out your account -- a lock which can be removed by confirming your account using the POL or original FFXI registration code used to make the account with them (on the phone.)

Edited, May 18th 2010 11:03am by Volkai
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Runespider wrote:
Ffxi being so old causes a lot of problems, it can run terribly on good duo/tri core processor systems since it doesnt support them and will just use 1/2 or 1/3 of them. It's also really picky about video cards and drivers, I spent weeks getting FFXI to run as it did when my last video card fried.

Wireless is also awful for gaming, FFXI is no exception.


Wow ...

(1) Windows7 emulates single CPU mode flawlessly. There are no inherent problems with 2/3/4/6 core configurations. I run FFXI on a Core i5 on Win7 and it's perfect. FFXI has a lot more problems on, say, XB360 ...

(2) Wireless is FINE for gaming if you have a decent wireless card and decent router. I say this as someone who has wired LAN connections all around my house. I used to play WoW, and currently play LoL, which are both strongly affected by bad connections and I've never had a problem. Only bad, old wireless cards are bad for gaming. I can be on wireless and connect to WoW/LoL and have an overall network latency of less than 50ms. It's not 2004, and wireless doesn't suck any more ...

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As for video cards and CPUs, FFXI will only run using one core of your CPU, and without touching any GPU that might be on your video card, so keep this in mind when looking at the performance of the netbooks you're thinking of buying. (This is because it wasn't programmed to be aware of -- and therefore wasn't programmed to use -- multi-core CPUs, or any GPUs. They did not yet exist at the time.)


No, no, and NO. FFXI still requires hardware or software T&L, which is a GPU specific thing. Don't make **** up.

FFXI is *hard* on CPUs, no one will argue with that. But if you have a video card, your performance is significantly better even if you can run FFXI with your onboard stuff. You can test this out yourself with the Vanadiel benchmark 3. Without a video card, I score somewhere above 1000. With a video card, I shoot up to 4000+. If FFXI's engine didn't use the GPU, there would be no difference in the score.
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Volkai wrote:

As for video cards and CPUs, FFXI will only run using one core of your CPU, and without touching any GPU that might be on your video card, so keep this in mind when looking at the performance of the netbooks you're thinking of buying. (This is because it wasn't programmed to be aware of -- and therefore wasn't programmed to use -- multi-core CPUs, or any GPUs. They did not yet exist at the time.)


Seriously?

There were no GPUs when FFXI launched?

The GPU (Graphics Processing Unit) originated in the 1970s in order to provide a specific instruction set for graphical output. "Graphical output" includes anything and everything output to the screen.

3D GPUs originated in the mid-to-late 90s. Everquest was the first mass-produced computer game to REQUIRE a "3d accelerator card," or in simpler terms, a graphics card that included a GPU with a specific instruction set for 3d. It allows 3d to be rendered by hardware rather than software, and eliminates a dependence on the CPU.

Amazingly, FFXI's system requirements clearly specify which GPUs it needs to run, and yet here you are telling us that FFXI was created before the GPU. Wow ...
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#22 May 18 2010 at 3:39 PM Rating: Good
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Back on topic (for other if they are looking) I have an MSI wind Netbook from last year with XP and the atom 1.6ghz processor and for normal every day events: EXP parties, solo stuff, farming, duos, and BCNM's; it works extremely well. I duo box on it + my desktop all the time. Campaign and larger scale events like dynamis and the like... thats where things get a 'bit' problematic. Its still playable, but frame rate can be horrendous at times. Best thing to remember when you are trying to get it to work is resolution doesn't seem to matter that much (from what I have seen on netbooks) but texture compression does. Make sure if you have any issues to turn the texture compression up before you turn resolution down. I am playing at max resolution (untweaked from the registry fyi) but with compressed textures on. If I flipped it and put uncompressed with low resolution, my game still slows down to a crawl on just about any event. So if it doesn't play well out of the box, tweak the settings a bit and look for the right medium.
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