Double Darkness/Light?Follow

I've seen numerous threads about this but never quite answered my question.
Beside on how it's made, exactly how is it different from regular darkness? Does it do more then what regular darkness does?

I mean I do understand that it's technically a Level 4 Skillchain since it's made from Level 3 Skillchain properties. But does doing that do any different from normal Darkness?

Like
Evisceration <-> Pyrrhic Kleos
= Darkness

Rudra's Storm <-> Rudra's Storm
=Double Darkness (if this an example)



Does it make much of a difference (not taking into account of the WS themselves)

It acts like how any other Light/Darkness chain made out of more than 2 WS would act. Since a "double" Light/Darkness would have to be closed off of at least a 3rd chained WS, it's going to do at least 150% of the WS damage, assuming no resists or day/weather modifications or any other crap that would modify the SC damage.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Skillchain#Linked_Skillchains

http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Double_Darkness

Ffrom my understanding if you drop a 3K Rudras to close you will get a 3K Darkness before bonuses (like Skillchain Damage Bonus trait) or resistantces (like MDB or Resistance to darkness based elements)

In order to do double Darkness or Light, you either need an Empyrean Weaponskill (Walk of Echoes weapon or full Empyrean) or a Relic weapon possessing a relic weaponskill. In comparison to other weaponskills, these ones have either Light or Dark as their primary element. This allows them to continue a level 3 skillchain.

Under normal circumstances with non emp/relic weaponskills, once you make a level 3 (Light/Darkness), nothing else can be added on. In your case of Dancer, Evisceration <-> Pyrrhic Kleos will make Darkness and you cannot go any further with the skillchain unless you posses a relic or emp weaponskill that has Darkness as it's primary element. So in order to continue, you'd need to do:

Pyrrhic Kleos <-> Evisceration (Darkness) -> Rudra's Storm (Darkness)

The reason why people talk about Double Darkness is because with each skillchain, the damage increases up to a cap of 225% of the closing weaponskill damage. Since the above mentioned double darkness skillchain requires 3 steps, and is making darkness twice, the first Darkness will do 100% of the damage of Evisceration, and the second darkness will do 150% of the damage of Rudra's Storm.

When you do Rudra's Storm -> Rudra's Storm, you will only make Darkness, not double. The reason why this is important, is because only skillchains with Darkness/Light properties can skillchain with themselves. All other non empyrean/relic weaponskills are not able to do this.

Edited, Aug 8th 2011 8:46am by ImmortalAlchemist

The only difference between Double and Single Darkness is that Single Darkness can be continued by a WS with the Darkness property, and Double cannot.

Darkness (property or skillchain) -> Darkness (property) = Double Darkness Skillchain

gotcha thanks

So basically:

Rudra's > Rudra's > Rudra's

Does NOT work, since the first pair of WS are in fact taking advantage of LV4 skillchain already.

When we say "Double Darkness" it is meant to say that there are two skillchains that occur that produce Darkness back to back.
Rudra's Storm -> Rudra's Storm will create 1 skillchain (Darkness). Adding another Darkness aligned weaponskill will continue the chain and create another Darkness Skillchain.

This screams for a YouTube video. Somebody make a YouTube video pretty please. I want to go: "Double Darkness omg. Double Darkness all the way. Double Darkness across the sky. Triple Darkness OMG."

That's true, and Evisceration -> Rudra's -> Rudra's also makes two Darkness skillchains. That's because it's:
Evisceration -> Rudra's -> Single Darkness (Gravitation property -> Distortion property)
and then
Single Darkness -> Rudra's -> Double Darkness (Darkness skillchain -> Darkness property)

For Rudra's -> Rudra's, it's Darkness Property -> Darkness Property -> Double Darkness

With that being said as far as making two step darkness....which is better overall?
I guess which combination would ge tu higher numbers....I'd guess Rudra's Storm -> Rudra's Storm (if using TP dagger) but idk the math behind it

If you're making a two-step Darkness, it'll either be Rudra's -> Rudra's (when Rudra's > Evisceration) or Rudra's -> Evisceration (when Rudra's < Evisceration). There are situations when either is better. If Climactic is up, you'll want to do the first though.

In Salvage, I had my THF mule use Evisceration so I could do Rudra's -> Rudra's for two Darkness skillchains though, haha.

Yea I think a couple people are using the same term for 2 different things, it's a bit confusing. I keep expecting someone to come in here and go "Woahhhhhhhhhhh double rainbow OMG!! Woahhhhhhhhhh"