Double Darkness/Light?Follow

It would be more accurate to say this:

Lvl 3 darkness
Lvl 4 black hole

rudra -> rudra -> black hole (1.0 mod, cannot be followed)
evisc -> rudra -> darkness (1.0 mod) -> rudra -> black hole (1.5 mod, cannot be followed)

Just my 2 cents.

If you have two Darkness properties in a row, be it Skillchain -> WS property or WS property -> WS property, you have Double Darkness.

You're confusing X-step with skillchain name. For example:
Fusion Skillchain -> Fragmentation WS Property -> Light
Fusion WS Property -> Fragmentation WS Property -> Light

It doesn't matter whether you started with another skillchain or a single WS, the skillchain you end up with is Light. Why should it be different for Double Darknesses?

For a long time, people used the term incorrectly (or didn't understand what it meant) because most of them didn't have access to WSs with level 3 properties. Now people actually experience things like 3x Rudra's not making 2x Darkness skillchains and they want to know why. Bottom line is, we need to keep "Darkness" in the name, because that's what it is, and we need something that shows it's the result of two Darkness properties, which "Double" does well enough.

Honestly, this is the first time I've heard it used this way.

Until this topic, every time that I've seen someone make reference to Double Light or Double Darkness, it wasn't the "definition" you gave, but was always relating to someone forming Light or Darkness using lv. 2 skillchain/WS properties, and then someone forming a second Light or Darkness off the initial Light/Darkness (like spcwill's limbus experience in the 2nd post of the topic). I've honestly never heard of a Light or Darkness formed by two lv. 3 property WS (Ukko's to Ukko's, Rudra's to Rudra's, etc) as being Double Light/Double Dark until now.

Looking through the thread, I can see at least half a dozen people who don't understand how "Level 4 Darkness" works (even if they think they do) because:
A) It has the same name as "Level 3 Darkness"
B) ffxiclopedia (at least as quoted) is wrong about it.
C) General lack of experience with things capable of making "Level 4 Darkness"

All of this is basically because SE was too cheap to make another animation when they released the relic weapons.

"Double Darkness" can only be a "Level 4 Darkness." Whether you're comfortable letting the definition slide in the opposite way is up to you.

You- you sure about that?

Like I said, it's not that I don't disagree with the definition you're using Byrth, it's just that I've never once heard it given the definition that you're using. For every time I've ever seen or heard someone make reference to Double Light or Double Darkness, it's always been in relation to forming a second Light or Darkness with a weaponskill immediately following a Light or Darkness skillchain.

Ex: Weaponskill > Weaponskill = Light > Weaponskill = Light

I'm curious (like truly curious), is there some official or semi-official source that dictates that Double Light or Double Darkness means what you're saying it does, or just a player term that some people have come to take as one way and some have come to take as another. I ask partially because you mention that some sites have the definition wrong, which makes me wonder if there's an official source with the right information.

Interesting indeed, your testimony along with Lobi's is enough for me and it answers the question I was asking earlier in the thread.

You definitely can't do a triple darkness right?

There's no way "Double Light" or "Double Darkness" is an official name. SE would have given the circumstance some kind of weird name, like "Resonance" or something, if there was actually an official name or definition. =X

That's the only thing that just kind of confuses me about it, because until you mentioned the definition you're using for Double Light/Darkness, I've never once heard anyone ever refer to it as such. Every time I've ever seen it mentioned, it's always been a second Light or Darkness formed from someone with an appropriate WS using it after a Light or Darkness skillchain. I think it'd be easier and would make more sense overall to just refer to the lv. 4 skillchain as just that, a lv. 4 skillchain. That way there wouldn't be as much confusion about it since the term wouldn't have another, extremely widespread definition to it.

What you don't seem to be understanding is that the word "double" next to the word "darkness", in the FFXI context, suggests an obvious meaning which is different than your definition. Further, your definition is not widely known or accepted.



Nonsense. How about just calling it "Level 4 Darkness"? There is much less ambiguity as to the meaning, so you won't have to argue with people who think you picked/hijacked a stupid name for the concept.