So now that FFXI may be dying soon..Follow

If you have 3 specialists like many serious crafters, trust me, you end up needing that additional space. But most basic players? No, you don't need them. The problem is, though, considering how successful the mog station is, it shows they don't need to work on "in-game solutions" because they still make the money regardless. It is a bit strange you have people singing the praises of the game despite there being tons of missing features and even problems that not even Blizzard was able to push past players without complaint.

So all in all, SE is extremely lucky to have a playerbase that doesn't care about things like that until it starts affecting them. Take for example the Japanese exclusive event items, people raised more hell over that than they did actual game problems.

So it's more along the lines of, they can increase our inventories if they want to, but INSTEAD, they rather sell it to us because they know people will buy it because it IS a necessity if you actually do a lot in this game.

Is it possible that people generally fall into a middle ground somewhere between "SE is a golden god" and "SE is literally Hitler?"

Maybe it's not black and white here. For me, the only person I'm qualified to speak for, I praise the things I think they're doing or have done well, and I criticize the things I think they're doing or have done badly. For instance I think their story writing is fantastic. I like the concept, if not the execution of the armory system. I like that they're able to push content on a regular schedule. That all being said, I think their handling of retainers is ridiculous (not just the subscription cost for them... most other aspects of the system too). I think their leveling experience for off-main jobs is horrible. And I'd like them to shake up their formula more with regards to content structure, it's a little too predictable. See? It's possible for me to like aspects of what they're doing and dislike other aspects, and it doesn't make me a hypocrite to say that. I don't have to like EVERYTHING in order to praise those things I think they've done well. That would be ridiculous, I'd never be able to like anything anywhere... ever.

Did we ever complain this much about needing mules in FFXI? In XI we ALL paid extra for that. I don't know a single person who didn't have at least one mule. Many people had two or more. I don't remember much complaining about it though.

I didn't like it, but I also didn't know any better. There's a bit of a difference between the MMO scene of 2002 vs the MMO scene of 2016. Hard drive space is no longer a real concern the way it was 14 years ago. Now you want to keep people under control so they don't just do something degenerate with it (because they will... it's the internet), but this isn't about cost cutting today, it's about greed.

Considering you play the same game I do, you're right, there is no middle ground.



Actually, I haven't paid for my sub yet. I still had a huge crysta supply from when their shop used it and my original crysta purchases from 1.x. So unless SE is getting money from my crysta bought 3 years ago...interesting. (Also, stop telling people to go away you disagree with.)

And yeah, no one really complained that much about XI mule situation and a lot of decisions SE even admitted they decided against because it would affect people who have mules for specific purposes (crafting for example.) But as someone said, it was a completely different era.

This is the "pay to win" and "microtransaction" era, so honestly, if someone could legitimately praise a game for not even meeting current industry standard, it doesn't exactly push them to fix problems. No matter how you try to slice it, there are problems that should not exist and are solely on a design decision level.






I'll even translate a particular post in a thread on 2ch that's somewhat related that popped up today - "If you sign up for FGL (Fusion GOL internet service) and they tell you that their node can only handle 20,000 people at a time at any time of the day and you lose your internet for sometimes days at a time, would you sit there with a smile on your face because you love the 2gb/s download speeds when you do have? Find a new provider despite loving everything else about them or would you complain and tell them you want better service for all the money you pay? What if they said they can't improve because their node would blow up if they allow more than 20,000 people to have internet access at a time, would you question their service standards, or would you sit back and tell them good job just because you happen to have internet every now and then?"

A network node is essentially the same importance as an MMORPG database/server. If there's problems preventing x from being improved, it's a huge problem you can't just say "the game is perfect!" it simply means you're accepting of the things you like and don't care about the other problems. Which is fine, but then you have people treating it as if the problems don't matter because "the rest of the game is good."

Have you ever seen that go well in other MMO communities? Hell even in XI communities back in the day?

Edited, Apr 17th 2016 3:35pm by Theonehio

That's essentially telling someone to go away because you seem to confuse "not praising the game" with hating the game. We're actually in this situation now because people are far less likely to allow conversations about what the game does wrong, because you tend to...you know, try to get driven out if you're "negative." Heck, people on reddit and GW even did a test to show just how quick even SE mods will shut down "criticism" threads simply because if you say "X part of the game is really bad and hasn't changed in 3 years", the white knights come out in full force to try to drive you out.



I said it before I'll say it again: Second I say something "negative", it triggers you and shoots you to defense mode, which is why you can't think of "one thing", despite me stating it numerous times.



Indeed, because it's quite easy to see there's something seriously wrong happening with the behind the scenes at SE that's preventing them from actually...doing something with this game. Maybe it's because I've done more than just "play" games and actually worked on games as well that I can see beyond the PR ******** and it honestly irks me to see so many people simply fall for it, but hey, it's not my money. It's just funny after HW kicked into gear you seen even the most "I love this game, SE and Yoshi can do no wrong" people on the OF start questioning and wondering what the hell happened.

As for this in particular:



I'm never talking about strictly "just here", because that would mean SE is keeping ARR/HW running for at best 60 people.

Edited, Apr 17th 2016 3:55pm by Theonehio

Edited, Apr 17th 2016 3:55pm by Theonehio

As someone who you take many opportunities to point out as someone who doesn't play, I feel like I can respond here.

"If you don't like it, go do something else" is not, never has been and never will be(barring monopoly) a thing that anyone who gives a **** about their company would ever say to their consumers. It's something you say because it suits your needs of having only people who blow rainbows posting their love and admiration of SE and their games.

It's strange that you always seem to fall back on "Filth doesn't even play XIV" though I'm here already giving reasons and support for why I don't. Even stranger, the fact that sometimes you actually agree with me.

What you really need to realize, and I said this years ago, is that people who are critical are only critical because they care. I don't come here discussing the problems with XIV because I want everyone to bring out pitchforks. I do it because people should realize that it's OK to criticize things you love and respect.

Again the same old example... If someone you loved had a drug problem, would you call them on their ******** or would you just nod and agree with their denial? Same concept here. I'm only disappointed in XIV because I wanted it to be my game. My only requirements for that were building on things you did well and learning from your previous mistakes.

Unfortunately (and I can't pinpoint if it's a SE thing, a cultural thing or both) it seems like the devs are resigned to making what they make and depending on the portion of their fan base who just nod and eat everything they're served to support it.

Exactly.

This isn't difficult to understand.



Well, you don't -- at least not regularly. And I find it kind of strange that despite being unimpressed with the game for three years running, you're STILL lurking around this forum and criticizing the game as if you just got burned out yesterday.

I get it that you and others care about the game, but there comes a point when you need to realize this just might not ever be a game that caters to your tastes, and you might be better off completely letting go. Otherwise, why even bother with it, unless you just really love debating in the ZAM community forum?

Edited, Apr 18th 2016 12:07am by Thayos

They said ffxi would carry on getting updates and new stories, just no new expansions.

In all honesty there is no guarantee that xiv will get any more expansions either, the last one didn't do all that well and lead to large player losses. It's a modern mmo and modern mmo gamers don't like expansions as wow and xi players did. You slice huge portions of players off each time you release one.


Edited, Apr 18th 2016 5:48am by Runespider

What???

It's a bit tacky to be focusing on XI in a forum for XIV, but this hostility you speak of for simply mentioning XI does not exist. Especially not here. Several of us still play XI.

And no, recommending that you play a game you enjoy is literally not me telling you to "get out." You should do what makes you happy, but the choice is all yours.

Edited, Apr 18th 2016 8:05am by Thayos

Because other than their names and the appearance of the base races they really have very little in common?

Gameplay-wise they're nothing alike. They're practically in different genres.

It's the reason the Dragon Quest online game and Wakfu don't get those same comparisons... they're MMOs made by SE... why not constantly compare them to FFXIV? Because it doesn't make any sense to do that.

Edited, Apr 18th 2016 10:42am by Callinon