I finally won't have to raid to endgame!Follow

Requiring 8 players to show up for a raid is more difficult than getting 20 to show up for dynamis when the 8 is a 100% attendance rate and the 20 is not.

Take 25% of the players who can't make it on a given day from an 8 man FF14 raid group and that group has to either try their luck picking up players or they just don't run the content that day. Take 25% of the players from a 25 man dynamis shell and you're still good to go. This is exactly how it worked for me in practice. I rarely saw absolutely 100% attendance in dynamis but it worked out because you did not need every single player to show up. On the other hand, I've had several times when I just didn't end up raiding in FF14 because one or two members had something they needed to do and just couldn't make it that night.

It's also not always as easy as "oh well, just go another night." Depending on our schedules my group at times would have only one day a week to raid because it really was the only day that every single person could guarantee they could be on at the same time. For someone with heavy real life obligations, they might be able to make Thursday night 3 out of 4 times each month on average but they don't necessarily know which night they're not going to be able to make. When you have multiple people like this, and player 1 happens to not be able to make it the first week, then player 2 and 3 can't make it the second week, player 5 has something to do the third week, etc. it becomes nearly impossible to keep up. Take all of these players and put them in a 20-30 man content and every single one of them can and will attend when they can. There will be events that they all miss, sure, but they won't all be out of luck or forced to try their luck with randoms every time one single member can't make it.

Edited, Nov 9th 2015 6:00pm by Susanoh

Indeed - It's hard to when one side of the fence essentially states your way of playing is "incorrect" and "should be thrown out" rather than getting to the heart of the problem and fixing that. Which admittedly, is extremely hard to do in an extreme vertical progression game. Which is why I applaud Blizzard and even Sega, even though I dislike WoW for personal reasons, they have the most proper raid setup that's main stream. Well, current ventures has been misses, but in general they catered the raids to all groups, but if you want to be the absolute best for example, you have to bite the bullet and pull your pants up and try the harder raids. If you don't want to, that's cool, but it's by no mean outdated or "extremely tiny amount of people."

That's why a big problem is how do you create the content to support the styles without a clash of standards that completely eliminate one side? Sadly it sounds like it's out of SE's reach due to finances.

Yup.

We will have hardcore raids, and we will have hard mode exploratory missions. People doing one won't stop anyone from doing the other.

Are you suggesting that people were clearing vanilla dynamis with 8 people? Do you see the flaw in your statement? It's not going to be easier for you to clear dynamis style raids in XIV because you would still end up having to find far more players. It would either be the 20+ players who are actually dedicated or it would be like 50 of the 'show up if you're online' players.

The more we discuss it, the more I think people are just making excuses for not saying hardmode is hard. I mean it's baked in, but people either don't want to have to kick that guy who can't figure it out... or they don't want to admit that they're that guy

Filthy woooshes all over this thread.

It's not going to happen every single time and it doesn't have to. You can miss several runs a month and still clear the content while it's viable.


Are you really screwed? You're screwed if you miss one day of AS? You'd never be able to complete the content before the next patch comes and wipes it out if you ever miss a day?

If you're telling me that I'd barely clear this with 3x3 hour days, the content is overtuned and needs to be nerfed. Otherwise people need to 'get gud' or just stop running hardmodes.


You make threads about how we should celebrate the fact that millions of people have registered for FFXIV... then you complain here about how hard it is to get 7 of them to play with you. Can't tell whether to at you or for you. Actually no, I'm surely going to



Edited, Nov 10th 2015 9:08am by FilthMcNasty

The best groups in the world took about 6 weeks of 12 hour days to clear Alexander Savage the first time.

While it probably IS overtuned, this is not an uncommon occurrence at that level of progression.

I was talking the other day to a FC leader and they dont have a house. He said in order to make a airship you need a house with a workshop and to do most of the new content for this expedition you need a airship. He is really pissed off because it aint they dont want a house or can not afford a house they can not because all lots are full.

That is bull if it is true SE is making content that only some FC can do.
Did SE add more housing this patch?

Edited, Nov 10th 2015 10:25am by Nashred

No housing. You can use the airship in Ishgard, but the best content version you need a FC Airship.

'Best' is subjective. Heavily subjective.

Put bluntly, there's no substantive reason why you would do Hard Mode outside of a static. The mobs that simply roam around, the rank 1 and 2 s, in normal, can wail on the tanks pretty hard. The Star ranks require more than one party to assist one another. My party got 3 210 pieces of gear on my run, and the things you can purchase at the sky pirate spoiles includes Rank 5 Materia.

There's no such thing as a chest that does not drop at least a bronze so long as you're doing sufficient damage to the monster as a party, and even rank 1 monsters can support 2 party's contributions this way.

Tell your FC leader he's not missing much, and if he still feels raw about it, to have people look for statics in party finder. You need all of 1 person of a FC that has the capacity to go to utilize it. But honestly, for most people, jumping up to hard may not even be worth it.

Sounds like SE tuned it well! Good challenges for small and large groups, without any head-bashing.

And I have already read about groups just jumping in and progressing without needing statics!

With that, I am locking this thread which has certainly ran its course. Housing concerns already have a thread, and we should start a new convo on the results of Exploratory missions. All points that need to be stated here (and then some) have been stated.

Hyrist, thanks for starting such a lively discussion, and I think many of us agree with your original post -- it's officially nice to not have to raid (or hunt) to do endgame!

Edited, Nov 10th 2015 8:10am by Thayos