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#1 Jan 06 2011 at 11:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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* Omen of Clarity now procs from damage spells and attacks instead of proc from damage and healing spells.
* Rejuvenation now costs 16% of base mana, down from 26% of base mana.
* Nature's Bounty proc effect removed and replaced with a new effect - Increases the critical effect chance of your Regrowth spell by 20/40/60%. In addition, when you have Rejuvenation active on three or more targets, the cast time of your Nourish spell is reduced by 10/20/30%.
* Empowered Touch now increases direct healing done by Healing Touch, Regrowth, and Nourish. (Old - Increased healing by Healing Touch and Nourish only)


Balance

* Typhoon now deals nature damage to target in front of the caster within 30 yards.
* Shooting Stars now lasts 12 sec, up from 8 sec.
* Balance of Power now increases spell hit rating by an additional amount equal to 50/100% of any spirit gained from item or effects. (Old - Just 50/100% of your Spirit)


Feral

* (Mangle) Mangle now deals 300% normal damage, down from 360%. Additional damage reduced by 17%, from 1044 to 870.
* Thrash base damage has been reduced by 17%, from 243 to 202. Bleed effect base damage also reduced by 17%, from [ 7.8% of AP + 455 ] to [ 7.8% of AP + 379 ]
* Lacerate damage has been reduced by 17%, from [ 11.5% of AP + 295.99 ] damage + [ 0.038% of AP + 118.4 ] bleed over 15 sec to [ 9.58% of AP + 246.66 ] damage + [ 0.032% of AP + 98.65 ] bleed over 15 sec.
* Frenzied Regeneration now regenerates 0.15% of max health for each point of rage, down from 0.3%.
* Swipe base damage has been reduced by 17%, from 171 to 143.
* Maul now scales from 30% of Attack Power, down from 36%.
* Berserk no longer clears the effect of Fear or makes you immune to Fear for the duration.
* Pulverize now deals 100% weapon damage, down from 120%. Base additional damage reduced by 17%, from 541 to 450.
* Leader of the Pack now causes you to gain 8% of your maximum mana, up from 4%.
* Thick Hide now increases armor while in Bear Form by an additional 26/52/78%, up from 11/22/33%.



That's pretty massive between rejuv buffing nourish cast time, rejuvenation costing almost 1/2 as much mana, regrowth refreshing lifebloom (I think, it's not explicitly stated here, but I thought that was part of the ET change)

I guess healing wasn't fine.

I'm amused by swipe being nerfed, because it was certainly hitting too hard, but I do like the thick hide change. I still don't get the FR nerf, but meh

Edited, Jan 6th 2011 11:32am by Xsarus
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#2 Jan 06 2011 at 11:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm cool with the RJ change. My biggest fear is that keeping up 3 RJs may become a necessary part of our rotation if the buff proves too strong.

I'm assuming Malfurion's Gift is still capable of giving LB OOC procs?
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#3 Jan 06 2011 at 11:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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That's what I'd assume, and keeping three rejuvs up should be pretty easy, even if it is a shorter hot these days.

It's a reason to pick up the talent again though.

Edited, Jan 6th 2011 11:41am by Xsarus
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#4 Jan 06 2011 at 11:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
That's what I'd assume, and keeping three rejuvs up should be pretty easy, even if it is a shorter hot these days.


I suppose so, I've just been liking the freedom in the rotation lately. There's a lot of leeway to cast what you need when you need it without having to worry about buffs falling off.

But with that drop in RJ cost, I guess I'll be using it a lot more anyway. Certainly will make swiftmend easier to use again.

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Berserk no longer clears the effect of Fear or makes you immune to Fear for the duration.


Smiley: frown

Edited, Jan 6th 2011 9:48am by someproteinguy
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#5 Jan 06 2011 at 11:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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It also makes casting a rejuv to use the mastery actually practical, especially with the instant hot from rejuv.

Oh confirmed on the ptr that regrowth is refreshing lifebloom

Yeah, blue post on the loss of fear immunity was basically that druids are immune to so much CC already it was a bit OP

Edited, Jan 6th 2011 11:51am by Xsarus
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#6 Jan 06 2011 at 12:11 PM Rating: Default
Anyone got some good rotation macros for balane Druids??
#7 Jan 06 2011 at 12:28 PM Rating: Good
Rotation macros? I don't see how that would be beneficial considering entering into eclipse phases can be random at times with the talents we shoot for. The rotation isn't that complicated to figure out, especially when you have an add on like Boomkinator. :-)

I wonder why they decided to give Omen of Clarity to feral and take it away from Resto? That's kind of weird.
#8 Jan 06 2011 at 12:36 PM Rating: Good
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Removing OoC from Resto druids kinda make sense, since we are going back to cast a lot of rejuv. It would proc a lot, probably, and RJ will cost almost nothing now. Although they could just lower the chance, dunno.

Balance almost untouched, though another 4 seconds to Shooting Stars seens nice. It`s even a bigger punch now, I suppose. I didnt undertand the difference in Typhoon, though.

Feral tank getting nerfed. Yet again. I wonder what the hell they are thinking. Though they gave a lot more armor to bear now.


Since I`m balance/resto, dps wont change much, but now that I was getting used to almost never cast rejuv, gonna go to a rotation with LB on tank, RG to refresh that, RJ on raid with WG and some Nourish. HT is going out of the rotation, probably.
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Yeah it just seems like a big shift: going from a OOC being the reason everyone spec'd into resto, to having it not even be proc'd by heals.

Going back to RJ spam... I dunno, RJ did need a buff. Come to think of it I rarely used it before unless WG was on CD; which I suppose isn't how they intended things to be. I'm kind of surprised they lowered the mana cost though, of all the things they could have done.
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#10 Jan 06 2011 at 1:29 PM Rating: Excellent
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Feral tank getting nerfed. Yet again. I wonder what the hell they are thinking. Though they gave a lot more armor to bear now.
A nerf to damage, but as long as you can hold aggro that's not an issue, and 33% extra armor to 78% extra armor is quite a decent buff.
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#11 Jan 06 2011 at 3:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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My reaction to feral tanking: Smiley: cry

I have a tough enough time when I need to use AoE, and now it's getting pounded again. Sigh Smiley: frown
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
Brisin wrote:
Feral tank getting nerfed. Yet again. I wonder what the hell they are thinking. Though they gave a lot more armor to bear now.
A nerf to damage, but as long as you can hold aggro that's not an issue, and 33% extra armor to 78% extra armor is quite a decent buff.


They're just putting Druid armor up there with all the other classes. It's not as much a buff as it is a fix.

My Druid, in ilvl 340 gear with Thick Hide, has 30k armor.
My Paladin, with a crappy green shield and quest rewards from leveling, has 34k armor.

And I laugh at the Bear nerfs. If the rumors are right, the 17% nerfs are just tooltip fixes since they did the double nerf back in the previous patch already. Still, Bear survivability, utility and now also damage has been shot to ****.

My Paladin is still rocking 30k Word of Glory heals on himself while spamming one button for AOE threat.

It makes NO sense.
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#13 Jan 06 2011 at 4:15 PM Rating: Good
You missed the biggest one!!!!!!

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The tauren racial trait War Stomp can now be used while shapeshifted.



And this is a more complete listing of the druid changes including the increase to shred and decrease to bleeds :-

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* Barkskin is no longer dispellable.
* Healing Touch is now trained at level 78, up from level 3.
* Lacerate damage has been reduced by approximately 20%.
* Mangle (Bear Form) weapon damage (at level 80+) has been reduced to 235%, down from 300%.
* Mangle (Cat Form) weapon damage percent (at level 80+) has been increased to 460%, up from 360%.
* Maul damage has been reduced by approximately 20%.
* Mount Up: This guild perk now applies to Flight Form and Swift Flight Form as well.
* Nourish is now trained at level 8, down from level 78.
* Omen of Clarity can no longer trigger from helpful spells (aka heals), unless the Restoration talent Malfurion's Gift is chosen.
* Rake damage has been reduced by 10%.
* Rejuvenation is now trained at level 3, down from level 8. In addition, its mana cost has been reduced from 26% to 16%.
* Rip damage has been reduced by 10%.
* Shred weapon damage percent (at level 80+) has been increased to 450%, up from 350%.
* Talent Specializations

o Balance

+ The Shooting Stars buff duration has been increased to 12 seconds, up from 8 seconds.
+ Wild Mushroom is now instant cast, down from 0.5 seconds. In addition, the radius of detonation has been increased to 6 yards, up from 3, and damage done increased by 15%.

o Feral

+ Berserk (instant Mangle proc) now has a new Spell Alert identifier. In addition, Berserk no longer breaks Fear or makes the druid immune to Fear.
+ Pulverize weapon damage percent has been reduced to 80%, down from 100%.

o Restoration

+ Empowered Touch now also affects Regrowth.
+ Nature's Bounty no longer affects Swiftmend, but now has a new effect. When the druid has Rejuvenation on 3 or more targets, the cast time of Nourish is reduced by 10/20/30%.


* Glyphs

o Glyph of Regrowth now causes the heal-over-time effect to refresh itself on targets at or below 50% health, up from 25%.
o Glyph of Wrath now increases damage done by Wrath by 10% and no longer requires Insect Swarm on the target.


#14 Jan 06 2011 at 4:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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Mazra wrote:
Sir Xsarus wrote:
Brisin wrote:
Feral tank getting nerfed. Yet again. I wonder what the hell they are thinking. Though they gave a lot more armor to bear now.
A nerf to damage, but as long as you can hold aggro that's not an issue, and 33% extra armor to 78% extra armor is quite a decent buff.


They're just putting Druid armor up there with all the other classes. It's not as much a buff as it is a fix.

My Druid, in ilvl 340 gear with Thick Hide, has 30k armor.
My Paladin, with a crappy green shield and quest rewards from leveling, has 34k armor.

And I laugh at the Bear nerfs. If the rumors are right, the 17% nerfs are just tooltip fixes since they did the double nerf back in the previous patch already. Still, Bear survivability, utility and now also damage has been shot to sh*t.

My Paladin is still rocking 30k Word of Glory heals on himself while spamming one button for AOE threat.

It makes NO sense.
well damn. someone hates bears. I've stopped tanking entirely and geared for dps on my offset now.
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#15 Jan 06 2011 at 4:18 PM Rating: Good
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Wait, we learn HT at 70+ now instead of 3 and Nourish at level 8.

What the hell do we heal ourselves with for the first eight levels?
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playing through the starting levels on a warrior, there is zero need for any healing at all.
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Mazra wrote:
What the hell do we heal ourselves with for the first eight levels?


Rejuvenation.

Or you know, you could just stand still for like 3 seconds and watch your health bar top off. Smiley: wink
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someproteinguy wrote:
Mazra wrote:
What the hell do we heal ourselves with for the first eight levels?


Rejuvenation.

Or you know, you could just stand still for like 3 seconds and watch your health bar top off. Smiley: wink


Doesn't work in combat. Smiley: schooled

And we learn Rejuv at level 8?
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Friar RareBeast wrote:
Rejuvenation is now trained at level 3, down from level 8. In addition, its mana cost has been reduced from 26% to 16%.


Smiley: grin

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That's going to completely change the playstyle, Rejuvenation becoming our trademark spell again.

The hell is going on?
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That was my main point in this thread!! Did you even read the notes or my comments? Smiley: oyvey
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Sir Xsarus wrote:
That was my main point in this thread!! Did you even read the notes or my comments? Smiley: oyvey


Who's this guy?
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Mazra wrote:
Sir Xsarus wrote:
That was my main point in this thread!! Did you even read the notes or my comments? Smiley: oyvey


Who's this guy?


I know right?

Anyway, I guess I should poke my head in here more often seeing as i have 2 resto druids at cap now.

The rejuv change i think is much needed, and I don't think Its "part of our rotation" to always keep 3 rejuvs up. Which might be a bit stressful in 5 mans, But it helps Us in our "oh shi~ moments" by giving us a cheap faster small heal we can spam when there quick topping off to be done. In raids we will almost always have 3 rejuvs up 5 mans only when theres unavoidable aoe (or stupid dps) Now we have our front loaded spells back a bit

Also I'm really hoping that regrowth refreshes LB like you pointed out it might becuase that will be helpful. The changed to the glyph might make it more useful ish maybe. (refresh duration on targets 50% or below) Still not perfect but alittle boost
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Just went over the second list of changes.

We get that Bears have AOE issues and, as such, have to Tab-select and Mangle spam a lot.

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Mangle (Bear Form) weapon damage (at level 80+) has been reduced to 235%, down from 300%.
Maul damage has been reduced by approximately 20%.


Not only did they nerf Swipe and Thrash, they also nerfed Mangle and Maul.

PvP changes... seriously **** me off.

Edit: Seriously seems like most of these changes were sparked by balance issues in PvP. Which leads me to believe that Blizzard should fire their Druid developers. They fail at basic balancing.

Edited, Jan 7th 2011 1:06am by Mazra
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O hai mostly PvP based changes.
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I like the change to HoT-style healing for druids, I might switch from Catbear to Cat/tree (or Cat/Feral PvP) until something is done with bears. I've been tanking on my druid since Kara/Gruul/Mag, back when we really could get every good cat and bear talent in one spec (beause there was no dual spec). When I could throw on a couple pieces of PvP gear to reduce incoming crit chance by 2.6% from Resil and have a huge amount of health to soak crushing blows. It was fun being the designated off-tank for raids where sometimes an extra tank was needed, and sometimes not.

Bear tanking just isn't fun right now. I'm not sure what would fix it, short of giving us a new spell or something. I was extremely disappointed that our one new Feral ability this x-pac was an Aspect of the Wipe clone on a 2 min CD that only lasts 6 sec.
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