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#352 Jul 27 2016 at 8:51 PM Rating: Decent
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That happens every election. What doesn't happen every election, is the previous living presidents of your own party dissing you.


Sure. But that does tend to happen when a party undergoes a shakeup of the leadership, which is more or less exactly what is happening with the GOP right now. No one's denying that Trump represents a different view of the GOP than Bush (any of them). So pointing it out it like saying that water is wet. Um... Ok. Trump is upsetting the apple cart. That's not in question. The question is whether this is harmful to him or to other Republicans running for office, or is helpful.

In a political climate where the establishment status-quo is increasingly seen as the problem to be solved, all of the things you're talking about may very well turn out to be positives for Trump and the GOP, not negatives. If people saw the politics of Bush, and Romney, and McConnel, and all the rest of the last generation of GOP leaders as a problem, and voted for Trump in protest over those politics, then what is the problem here? Like him or hate him, he is ushering in a new wave of GOP leadership and direction.

I'm not sure I'm happy about that at all from a political direction point of view, but to suggest that after having successfully staged a revolt in the Republican party, the absence of the guys he overthrew at his nomination is anything other than what you'd expect is somewhat bizarre.

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Maybe. However, if DWS did what she was supposed to (resign and then support her candidate), it would have had the same result.


The issue is that it was a brazen statement that DWS considered Clinton to be "her candidate", and Clinton knew this and felt the need to reciprocate by hiring her to her campaign. If you're trying to downplay the perception of collusion between the DWS while heading up the DNC and the Clinton campaign, this was the last thing you'd do. It's basically identical to a politician having to resign office over suspicion that he improperly used his position to benefit some business interest, and then immediately being hired by that very same business. At the very least, this makes one think that the suspicions were true, right?

I call it "brazen" because it appears as though Clinton just assumes that none of this matters. Which likely just infuriates the Sanders supporters even more because it's a repeat of what they believe happened in the first place. The system is rigged to prevent anyone but Clinton from winning, and rigged even more to prevent any harm occurring to her when it's revealed that it was rigged. She's so confident that no one "important" will take any action against her, that she's not even trying to conceal what was done anymore.

There are a lot of people who Clinton likely considers to be unimportant who are going to be voting this election. So that action may hurt her. It certainly didn't help. She basically just said "yeah, the system is rigged, we're all corrupt, but what are you going to do about it". I'm not sure challenging voters to accept her brand of corrupt politics is a great idea. Yeah, Trump is kinda scary, but she's more or less doing everything she can to push voters over to him. The sad part is that I'm not sure she's even aware of this fact. Hence my comment about being tone deaf. She's so far into the political bubble that I don't think she sees the degree of anger and resentment running through the country over this sort of thing right now. She's buying her own propaganda that Trump is just a hothead who appeals to a small percentage of angry white men, and is failing to get that this is the same thing that many of us Republicans assumed at first. We were wrong. And she is wrong. And she's doing exactly what I warned against a couple months back.

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Gbaji wrote:
Sure. But that does tend to happen when a party undergoes a shakeup of the leadership, which is more or less exactly what is happening with the GOP right now. No one's denying that Trump represents a different view of the GOP than Bush (any of them). So pointing it out it like saying that water is wet. Um... Ok. Trump is upsetting the apple cart. That's not in question. The question is whether this is harmful to him or to other Republicans running for office, or is helpful.

In a political climate where the establishment status-quo is increasingly seen as the problem to be solved, all of the things you're talking about may very well turn out to be positives for Trump and the GOP, not negatives. If people saw the politics of Bush, and Romney, and McConnel, and all the rest of the last generation of GOP leaders as a problem, and voted for Trump in protest over those politics, then what is the problem here? Like him or hate him, he is ushering in a new wave of GOP leadership and direction.

I'm not sure I'm happy about that at all from a political direction point of view, but to suggest that after having successfully staged a revolt in the Republican party, the absence of the guys he overthrew at his nomination is anything other than what you'd expect is somewhat bizarre.
Are you saying that Trump is in a better situation with his party as opposed to Clinton? Of course, that's all subjective. I'm just curious.

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The issue is that it was a brazen statement that DWS considered Clinton to be "her candidate", and Clinton knew this and felt the need to reciprocate by hiring her to her campaign. If you're trying to downplay the perception of collusion between the DWS while heading up the DNC and the Clinton campaign, this was the last thing you'd do. It's basically identical to a politician having to resign office over suspicion that he improperly used his position to benefit some business interest, and then immediately being hired by that very same business. At the very least, this makes one think that the suspicions were true, right?

I call it "brazen" because it appears as though Clinton just assumes that none of this matters. Which likely just infuriates the Sanders supporters even more because it's a repeat of what they believe happened in the first place. The system is rigged to prevent anyone but Clinton from winning, and rigged even more to prevent any harm occurring to her when it's revealed that it was rigged. She's so confident that no one "important" will take any action against her, that she's not even trying to conceal what was done anymore.

There are a lot of people who Clinton likely considers to be unimportant who are going to be voting this election. So that action may hurt her. It certainly didn't help. She basically just said "yeah, the system is rigged, we're all corrupt, but what are you going to do about it". I'm not sure challenging voters to accept her brand of corrupt politics is a great idea. Yeah, Trump is kinda scary, but she's more or less doing everything she can to push voters over to him. The sad part is that I'm not sure she's even aware of this fact. Hence my comment about being tone deaf. She's so far into the political bubble that I don't think she sees the degree of anger and resentment running through the country over this sort of thing right now. She's buying her own propaganda that Trump is just a hothead who appeals to a small percentage of angry white men, and is failing to get that this is the same thing that many of us Republicans assumed at first. We were wrong. And she is wrong. And she's doing exactly what I warned against a couple months back.
See post 315, third paragraph. And no, you did not respond to that.
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I call it "brazen" because it appears as though Clinton just assumes that none of this matters.
You call it "brazen" because that was the word Fox News used Tuesday every time the "story" came up, which was like every fourteen minutes.
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Are you saying that Trump is in a better situation with his party as opposed to Clinton? Of course, that's all subjective. I'm just curious.


His situation with the party is irrelevant. His situation with the voters is. That's kinda the point I'm making. The Democrats are making a great show of solidarity and togetherness whatnot, but are increasingly tone deaf to just how obviously faked the whole thing is and how this is turning off voters. Did anyone actually believe Obama when he said that Hillary would be a better president than either him or Bill Clinton? Did anyone believe that he actually believed it? I mean, he ran against her in 2008. He beat her in 2008. He clearly believed he was the better candidate, and the voters agreed with him. But now, when it's important that people see Clinton as a viable president, he goes that extra mile past saying that she'd make a great president to saying she'd make a better president than him? That's not just gushing support, that's silly level BS. And it pretty much immediately makes the viewer suspect everything else said along with it.

Similarly, the whole Bill Clinton speech sounded great, but was so obviously full of bull as to be laughable (seriously? So he and Hillary were walking and talking and laughing together while he was getting a BJ from Monica? And all the other skirts he chased over the years? This is his idea of walking arm and arm through life with his spouse?). And that kinda sums up the whole thing. Great facade. Totally unbelievable. The Democrats have chosen to just ignore everything going on and pretend it's not happening. They're like folks having a dinner party on the Titanic and then berating the guy telling them the ship is sinking and accusing him of fear mongering and scaring the guests.

They've gone to silly lengths to create a bubble around them where the real world just wont get in, I guess? Not sure how they think that will work for them. Maybe it will? But if so, it'll be in spite of their own actions, not because of it. I'm seriously seeing a lot of head in sand behavior going on over there.

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See post 315, third paragraph. And no, you did not respond to that.


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gbaji wrote:
I call it "brazen" because it appears as though Clinton just assumes that none of this matters.
You call it "brazen" because that was the word Fox News used Tuesday every time the "story" came up, which was like every fourteen minutes.


And yet, it is the appropriate word to use. That multiple sources and people are using it to describe what happened might just be a clue here.
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gbaji wrote:
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gbaji wrote:
I call it "brazen" because it appears as though Clinton just assumes that none of this matters.
You call it "brazen" because that was the word Fox News used Tuesday every time the "story" came up, which was like every fourteen minutes.
And yet, it is the appropriate word to use. That multiple sources and people are using it to describe what happened might just be a clue here.
Well, a clue that a bunch of people are being led by the nose from a singular source, sure.
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gbaji wrote:
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gbaji wrote:
I call it "brazen" because it appears as though Clinton just assumes that none of this matters.
You call it "brazen" because that was the word Fox News used Tuesday every time the "story" came up, which was like every fourteen minutes.
And yet, it is the appropriate word to use. That multiple sources and people are using it to describe what happened might just be a clue here.
Well, a clue that a bunch of people are being led by the nose from a singular source, sure.
It's like it's scripted in order to cause a specific emotional overreaction to a fairly mundane event.
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Due to a mutually beneficial agreement between me and my significant other, today I had seen new Jason Bourne movie. It was a little ridiculous at times ( current favorite being CIA shared folder called Black Ops conveniently containing a list of black ops linked to JB ), but it had a moment for me. I was always wondering about a way to phrase my stance on privacy in a way that would resonate with true blue Americans and this movie had it. It was simple. It was: "Privacy is freedom."

I am so glad this **** is finally reaching US mainstream. We even have a cute catchy sound bite in place of false dichotomy of "privacy vs security". Yay.

Naturally, people people are going to see the movie for the explosions,bombastic fights,crazy plot twists,... wait.. . Why do people watch this thing?

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Everyone knows that you keep your secret files in a folder called "Nvidia Backup Drivers" or something. It's just common sense.


"Definitely Not Black Ops".

Works for my porn stash.

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I keep my porn in a folder labeled "This is not a porn folder"

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Everyone knows that you keep your secret files in a folder called "Nvidia Backup Drivers" or something. It's just common sense.


Rule 34 and whatnot, but black ops would not occur to me as **** material.

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Everyone knows that you keep your secret files in a folder called "Nvidia Backup Drivers" or something. It's just common sense.

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I was always wondering about a way to phrase my stance on privacy in a way that would resonate with true blue Americans and this movie had it.
Well, it did pretty gangbusters at the box office, though I doubt anyone really cares.

PSP Roms is where I keep mine.
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I keep my porn in a folder labeled "This is not a porn folder"


Well, I can say that "mom's backup files" is probably not a good label to use. Just saying...
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It depends on what you're into, I guess
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I often wonder, after seeing threads like this. I've seen A LOT of **** on the internet, and I've never seen any that looked underage-- save for a few questionable thumbnails, which, ultimately were misleading. How do they do it, though? What people are actually in charge of sorting through every image and video on the vastness that is the internet and making sure there is nothing illegal on there? (Chicks getting ****** by horses everywhere though, but no one cares about that I guess?)

I also wonder-- in the event the world fell into the hands of ultra-conservative types-- how easy or hard it would be for them to simply remove ALL **** from the internet using the same methods?



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There are only a few law enforcement organizations that do this (FBI mostly), but it's not like they scan the whole internet looking at **** all day trying to find illegal stuff. Mostly they follow tips and see where they lead. I would assume there may be some private groups that do this as a matter of monitoring (or at least that's what they tell people). I think the bigger thing is that you don't need a ton of policing for this to work. The threat of massive charges for this sort of thing is enough to keep it off servers where most people could ever possibly stumble upon it. If you can find it, so can anyone else. And out of the set of "anyone", eventually "someone" will report it. Which leads to the FBI knocking on your door.

There's a lot of self policing that goes on in the adult industry as well. The last thing they want is a ton of law enforcement looking at them under a microscope. So the mainstream folks tend to go to great lengths to make sure anything outside the bounds of legality is not on their sites. And, of course, smaller sites have an easier time because they're small. What's left is the random amateur pornographer who may or may not be willing to risk putting something illegal on his site where the public can get at it. And that usually puts that person in the moron category.

Where law enforcement spends most of their time is looking for leads involving off the grid systems. Folks who are sending pictures and videos directly to each other, or via a server with encrypted peer to peer transfers (or on tor networks). And that's more of an investigation thing. Out of a group of people doing this, some of them will do things beyond just looking at images, and some of them will get caught and arrested. Then, when their stash is found, the FBI gets called in, tracks the source of the files, and goes looking for more folks. Since this is where the hard core pedos are likely to congregate (as opposed to some poor schmuck who just typed "hot naked teens" into a web browser one day), that where they want to spend most of their effort. Those are the folks you really want to find.
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Randomly running into straight-up CP is pretty unlikely, particularly if you are using Google as those people are expending resources to filter that crap out.

Having an CP or "questionable" image on your computer (like in your temporary Internet files) was declared by the New York Supreme Court to be "accidental" or "incidental" (forget which; I'm too lazy to research it at the moment) as a poor choice in ones' clicking habits was not proof of intent to have CP.

In most cases I'm aware of, it's either visiting Tor sites (or other P2P networks, as gbaji mentioned) or uploading images - mostly the "uploading" bit - that gets the 4chan party van at your curb.

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how easy or hard it would be for them to simply remove ALL **** from the internet using the same methods?
About as easy as getting rid of all torrents.
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If everyone is locked up, is anyone really in jail? At what point do we just consider it normal society?
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