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Posted:Feb 18 2006 at 6:31 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) u guys are stupid as ****, CHR DOES EFFECT PROVOKE, ONLY PROVOKE AND PROVOKE ONLY , hate wise that is, THATS WHY IT GIVES U IT, also for killer ****, :) SO everyone that is stupid CRAM IT UP y0 ***
Just a thought but charisma (for those who dont know) is kinda like a natural attraction to someone. Not physical or something just like you can never hate or get mad at them (or not for long anyways). mabe it DOES affect hate. i keep hearing chr affects how well you hold hate...which IMO makes sense because 65 def and +20 vit in one body piece seems like the perfect tanking gear to me...chr+20 just seems to be the icing on the cake...that or SE planned for plds and wars to sub brd and expect to tank using minne or something...
Just a thought but...has anyone ever looked up the definition of charisma? its sorta a natural attraction...not a physical attraction or sumthing just...you cant hate that person (or not for long anyways). its kinda like that. Maybe if we use that we can come to a POSSIBLE conclusion that chr does affect hate. honestly, which monster would want to keep on staring and attacking you if ur chr was so low you just...hey man i dunno...
You are an idiot if you think CHR makes provoke give more hate. CHR effects Charm, Bards songs, AND Killer effects. a PLD tanking Fafnir with full koenig and a Hrotti (Dragon Killer effect) will intimidate him much more than without the CHR
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Posted:Apr 11 2006 at 2:03 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) He just asked a question, so why must you be an a$$ to him and call him and idiot?
Just so ya know... CHR does effect provoke. SE never said it didn't. CHR is used to charm the enemy yes. Provoke is a charm skill just so you know. A BRD's song is a charm skill. Of course Charm(BST) is a charm skill. They're used to goad the enemy onto you. Or in the case of the BRD to goad your allies to you.
What alot of people don't know is that VIT is the big modifier on the dmg of Steel Cyclone, so with a warrior using this gear in a macro for Steel Cyclone, i can easily see the dmg going well over 2k
not really dude vit and str are both 50% modifiers and this ***** up ur str so its not that good, str does more for then vit but put vit for slots u cant get str or like genbu's helm +15 vit
why doesnt someone just look it up and thik about it quote for quote, SE did admitt that CHR has nothing to do with your enmity, what it does have an effect on is certain job abilites ie: Provoke, it doesnt make the provoke gather more hate but it does make provoke's hate dration last longer thus giving the tank more time to use other abilities such as curing to gather more hate, this piece and all other koenig would kill what a paladin is and make the job completly tank and nothing but, only thing this stuff is good for (more like godly for) is HNM fights, you'd be insane to try to use it all in an xp pt...so there, I said it
why doesnt someone just look it up and thik about it quote for quote, SE did admitt that CHR has nothing to do with your enmity, what it does have an effect on is certain job abilites ie: Provoke, it doesnt make the provoke gather more hate but it does make provoke's hate dration last longer thus giving the tank more time to use other abilities such as curing to gather more hate, this piece and all other koenig would kill what a paladin is and make the job completly tank and nothing but, only thing this stuff is good for (more like godly for) is HNM fights, you'd be insane to try to use it all in an xp pt...so there, I said it
This is used to tank HNM's and is not likely to be used in an XP pt. As for the CHR thing, it DOES affect Provoke job ability. Re-read the interview carefully, SE states that CHR does not effect hate, but they do not state job ability. CHR is for Provoke, just like MND is for Chi Blast. Ask anyone with this set (there are a few JP on my server with it) and they will tell you that CHR DOES affect Provoke.
I dont know about their relic armor, but this equip is awesomly good for a PLD. They dont need the STR or the DEX, so it benefits them a lot. Not only does it have really good defense, but the CHR+ will make it so that you really dont have to heal as much since the provokes will gather so much hate. Still...you will want to use heals.
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Posted:Aug 29 2004 at 2:41 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) if you think PLDs don't need dex then you are mistaken, PLDs need dex to hit, the more they hit, the more dmg they cause, more dmg = more hate. A full suit of Koenig does -30 dex, that hurts a PLD very much.
someone said " if you think PLDs don't need dex then you are mistaken, PLDs need dex to hit, the more they hit, the more dmg they cause, more dmg = more hate. A full suit of Koenig does -30 dex, that hurts a PLD very much."
OK look @ the posts, most of em say they are not for exp pts, but more for HNM, ok n ow u tell me how many pld's fight HNM to do damage, let alone hit em?
this gear is very very good for PLD's not only for the defence, vit, and charm, but also the HP+
Charisma does not add to hate or any kind of enimty. This is straight from Square-Enix itself. The ONLY thing CHR is used for is the increased likelyhood of a Beastmaster charming a pet, or a Bard landing a song on the monster.
If you want, proof, do a google search for the interviews with SE.