BST Nerf - SpinShark Weighs InFollow

Well put SpinShark, and very much appreciated.

Wow just wow, at $quare-€nix. So are $ony and Luca$ in on the bst nerf too? How about Micro$oft?
FRICKING GENIUS wait no GENIU$!

Indeed. It adds character to the boring old "SE" lettering I see all the time. It looks better too. Plus, it puts the transparent motive for everything they do right out in the open. It's a three for one deal, you really can't go wrong.







I see, so you're judging the quality of my writing when you're illiterate and can barely speak English. Gotcha.

Amazing! A decent post by Spinshark! Wow!

Erg.

Why is it that people feel the need to heap praise upon this? "Great post!" "110% accurate," "I agree 100%." Sure, it raises some good points. It makes sense. But it's nothing that hasn't been said before, with a touch of organization, a splash of color, and the usual, predictable ******* of insults.

Subject: Spinshark
History: Well known for a general distaste towards FFXI, the company that runs it, the people who play it, and the very boards where the post is located. Frequently expresses said distaste. Always descriptive, occasionally humorous.
Context: Major update has an entire job up in arms. Numerous new findings, complaints and possible solutions are all discussed.
Product: Summarization of well-known facts, laced with signature abuse. Conclusions drawn that have already been mentioned dozens of times.
Reactions: Primarily assent, combined either with praise or humorous disbelief. Indifference and/or dissapointment.

Conclusion: It's a very good example of what Spinny's best at; getting noticed. Attention whoring, if you must. It's playing to the sympathies of the whole to evoke a certain reaction, while retaining the persistant arrogance and condescension.

Hell, I agree with most of what he's saying too. Beastmasters got a swift, unexpected kick in the nether regions, and as usual, we're all left to speculate about the inner workings of the minds that run the game, while the player base struggles to find a way to cope. But seeing so many leap at the chance to praise and acknowledge this post is rather amusing.

Ah well. I'll admit, it has it's high points, but I guess I just don't consider regurgitated information wrapped in tired sarcasm to be particularly noteworthy, regardless of where it came from. Of course, that's just me.

This is nonsense. I'm not playing to anybody's sympathies but my own. If anything, this board seems to be more for the change than against. From what I've seen, posts rallying against this nerf have been rated to oblivion more than posts for it.



If these facts and conclusions are so well-known, why am I getting praised for bringing them up in the first place then? Why am I getting PMs from people telling me I hit points they haven't thought of before? You're engaging in the logical fallacy I see so many others on this board fall into, and that is "world revolves around me" syndrome. In other words, you've "seen" these arguments and points, therefore everyone has.

Keep in mind there's dozens of threads about this nerf on the front page, and I know I personally haven't read anywhere near all of them. All kinds of arguments are lost and dispersed among the plethora of threads. The OP organizes, rebuts, and defends arguments.

Sure, there's a chance some of these points were made by others, but there's also plenty of material in my OP that I haven't seen brought up anywhere else, mixed in with my own personal analysis, invective, and fact-checking.

In addition, there's only so many conclusions one can draw from this change's impact on BSTs. There's not much room for divergence here.

This post lets people know which points are valid, and which are not.



Nothing I wrote is "regurgitated," as I didn't get it from anyone else. This is my own conclusion, analysis, etc.



You know why I get noticed? Because I'm right, and because I say what others won't say because they fear getting rated down. My writing style also contributes to this, and weak-minded people that feel I'm jeopardizing their viewpoints want to lash out at me, yet they can't do so effectively because they lack the synapses to keep up. There are also those who "get it" and wish to say something positive. I possess more intellectual dexterity than anyone else that posts in this forum, and once people notice it, they feel compelled to respond.

Edited, Tue Dec 13 23:01:19 2005 by SpinShark

I sympathise with you guys. It's a shock, becuase the update change came out of no where.



...now has your {Stun} effect worn off? Good.

If you want to "stay the @@#$ away from the ignorant community", by all means do so. I gues we are all really ignorant compared to you.

But if we're ignorant, and manage to adapt to alot of things (several nerfs), what about you? Admittedly the rest of the community hasn't had it as bad, but if we're ignorant compared to you, you should be able to deal with issues of higher magnitude.

So if you don't want to party with us, because we're "ignorant" or "immature" I'm sure you will find it in you and your great wisdom and maturity to make soloing viable once again, and continue in your enjoyment of the game.

Either that or you can come to the forums and tell the "ignorant" and "immature" community how sucky you got it.

Edited, Tue Dec 13 22:58:41 2005 by Shopee

i have never encoutered spinshark before on these boards seeing as how i dont frequent any forum but the server forum most of the time. so i cant say whether hes an attention ***** or not. what i can say is his OP is utterly fantastic and while being a little more abrasive than im used to, he was completely correct. bst is now officially ****** and i for one agree that the old "if it aint broke, dont fix it" line applies here. /cheer spin and id rate you up if i could

there is a bit of a difference between nerfing a job and completely destroying the way it works. rngs actually having to move when they fight stopped all of them from standing up against monsters and spamming slug shot. THAT was a nerf and now causes rngs to actually play with more skill. this situation causes bst to *ALMOST* become impossible to play with any degree of efficiency in a solo situation.

There is no correlation between "maturity/lack of ignorance" and overcoming game code.

If many posters dislike the manner in which the bst community response to this nerf initially (which was a completely understandable reaction by us for all the reasons shark provided) that is one thing. To say that this was not a completely unnecessary, easily avoidable, and uncalled for action on SE's part is something else.

This entire anti-mpk update was poorly planned and implemented by SE and attacked a job unnecessarily.

Shark is 100% correct.

Personally I think that they should've left BST alone. I get all the other nerfs, rng doing too much damage, nin tanks being accepted over pld... all invite related I guess. Other DD's didn't really stand a chance against rng, or so I hear. Some of the nerfs didn't make a whole lot of sense like RDM losing Flash oh so long ago, but this BST nerf doesn't make any sense at all. BST, sense it's release has been known as the only soloable Job in FFXI, and due to the stragity guide and ignorance was kicked out of parties a very long time ago. To make it so they pretty much have to party now is kinda ... well late? BST's are given a bad rep for "MPK's" and taking "exp mobs" as pets and realeasing them... and whatever. But I don't see anyone yelling about RNG or THF pulling links and zoneing them and killing people. I think the nerf wasn't made to make BST's party but were targeted due to many of the people claiming BST's doing a greater share of the MPK'ing.
I think the people cheering this nerf should really look at the jobs that do most of the MPK'ing, for those of you claiming it's BST's. And for other reasons such as "this game isn't a soloable game" ... Well I would guess that's why you don't level BST. And for the last part about EXP mobs and what~knot, If one BST can ***** your party EXP that badly, I'd say you had a bad one. Give respect where it is due, EXP may have been easy for a BST in later levels... but it's still easier when you have 6 people slaughtering one mob. Also I don't believe anyone can really match a BST's death count save for PLD. Solo'ing is the only single challenge one can do. If your not a good BST you won't level, if you suck as a whm... you'll still get a party. BST has had a bad rep from the get-go but managed to survive it's bashings all along the way, I hope in someway to see it survive this. Though I'm sure after this nerf, people will hate you more if you win. Due to more mobs being taken for exp.

aye, I think that’s what people have yet to fully understand.

We will survive this, but our ability to solo efficiently has been hurt badly.

In the absence of traditionally efficient solo methods, what remains are the more inefficient methods we have scorned for a long time.

While this nerf has hurt us badly, it will hurt you too. Every job class has a vested interest in assisting beastmasters in encouraging SE to implement a more reasonable method for pets that beastmasters leave.

"Even Rush Limbaugh or Michael Moore are right somtimes, not often, but somtimes."

Nope.

Michael Moore is never right.

Not sure how any of this relates. SpinShark isn't
a political mascot.

Edited, Wed Dec 14 01:05:45 2005 by Shopee

Edited, Wed Dec 14 01:05:51 2005 by Shopee

Naw, he's just an attention *****...


OH! So that's how this relates...