BST Nerf - SpinShark Weighs InFollow

I'm sorry I come off that way, and I'm sorry you seem to be incapable of posting once without an insult. This is my last post here, period. Most Beastmasters are over the patch.

Take care.

Edited, Wed Dec 14 12:53:28 2005 by Shopee

I just realised some confusion probably occured. The above comment about being insulting does not apply to "you" plural (i.e. the Beastmasters, it applies only to Warchief.)

Edited, Wed Dec 14 13:03:02 2005 by Shopee

No, no we aren't. And you're still a trolling ******* with pitifully little idea what you're talking about.

But hey, it makes your E-***** a little larger when you kick us when we're down, so I guess that's fine for you.

T: SPINSHARK

I think, looking back, the reason why you enrage me so, is because you embody everything I despise about the internet.

You're stupid. You're misinformed, and yet you revel in your misinformation to the extent you're proud of being wrong.

You go out of your way to ignore positives and wildly exaggerate even the smallest negatives for the sole reason of serving your pathetic agenda.

You're falling over yourself to be the 'only one'; the one that realizes what the 'sheep' don't, the one that sees the emperor has no clothes - yet in truth these facets exist solely so that you have something else to look down upon.

You're sneering and arrogant when there's no call for it. Unable to even recognize or acknowledge quality or ambition you scrabble around in the dirt for sarcasm or the chance to be patronizing instead, lazily deflecting possibilities of positivity at every turn and instead trying to pull everything into the same ****** swamp of faked indifference as you yourself festers in.

You know nothing but act like you know everything. You could never hope to achieve anything yourself but you still sit there, smirking archly, smugly, shaking your head and congratulating yourself over the latest crushing victory.

You're like one giant ******* MEH flashing out at me from my monitor from Alla. It's like LOL METROID FPS and DURR KILL BILL CASH-IN somehow came to life and made an account and it makes me almost physically ill and ***** dngfdljgndhgfdssad

SpinShark, you are Alla's Savior.
You're never afraid to speak your mind for rate-downs and do it insultingly, and the majority of the time, you're right.

And no, I don't care if I get rated-down for posting this.

I just think its funny that spinshark thinks he's important enough to start his own thread on the matter and think its not just a repeat of everything thats already been said.

And what's really funny is it has devolved into the exact same thread that all spinshark threads do by the time they reach page 3. Everyone that responds is simply bumping the post and providing reinforcement that he does, in fact, deserve his own thread. Oh damn....I just did it too.

In the end though, you are just giving him what he came here for...... attention. Nobody that has done all spinshark has claimed he has accomplished waste's their time talking about a minor adjustment to a video game and continues to check in and respond each evening thereafter. You are giving him the highlight of his day.

What I think is funny is that you believe that you have the right to come post a post or thread of yours that you want and he doesnt despite how many times the topic has been discussed. In fact lets shut down the forums completely and just let everyone search for the information since the same issues get posted 4 million times a week.

It's funny to read these threads and see the exaggerated straw-men that you prop up and subsequently tear down, SpinShark. I like the conspiracy theories, too, some of 'em are downright wacky (especially the RMT ones). Sometimes the people who make ham-fisted attempts to deflate you are amusing, as well.

I don't agree with your solution, though. This is a PvE game with a large population of carebears, the fact that people can abuse mob AI to MPK each other is pretty boneheaded. Threats should come from the environment, not from other players. Griefing must be cut to a bare, reasonable minimum, within the limits of the technology. If this game were PvP, I'd be singing a different tune, but Shadowbane it isn't.

The solution, as I see it, is to prevent MPK without making the game risk-free (like removing mob aggro completely), ******** BSTs (the current system). If mobs wandered back to their camp after being released, but didn't aggro/link until within that radius, I'd consider that an acceptable compromise. Granted, I haven't thought through every possible exploit, and am willing to consider another solution if someone brings a serious flaw in the plan to my attention.

I suppose that means someone could train every mob to a zone line, and make the whole zone safe for crossing (until the mobs walk back anyway), but is this a big deal? I can't say. An alternative would be to make a specific exception for the "Leave" command, so that only those mobs would de-aggro. They could also change the BST class to work with the new system, I suppose, but that would be a lot of work (and I don't think they will bother with it).

I find it ironic that you use "$€" as an epithet, as if you were some M$-hating Linux fanboi from Slashdot, considering some of the things that you insult people for.

Anyway, I think you missed the mark. You are correct that MPK is just a symptom of a larger problem, but you didn't go far enough. RMT is also a symptom of a larger problem. If you want SE to reverse the anti-MPK changes and deal with the real issue, it stands to reason that you actually mean annhilating the roots of RMT... correct? Note that I'm not talking about banning gilsellers, because they will continue to keep coming back as long as it is profitable to do so (and it's hard to crush the profit advantage of someone employing workers in a 3rd world country working for beans).

That's a bigger problem than any of this, maybe you should focus your vast intellect in that direction. Plenty of opportunity to insult people, too, so it's be worthwhile, eh?

Back on topic for a minute, I think solo BST needs to be fixed, end of story. It's unfair what was done to them, even if it was the path of least resistance to half-*** fixing a "greater good". I agree with you that complaints need to be worded careful and concisely, so that we don't lose the attention span or blow the minds of the minimum-wage CSRs forced to read them all. I plan on submitting a differently-worded comment on this BST change every week, for as long as I think it's worth the time to do so. It's a worthy cause.

Please tell me you're not serious. The fact that you're using actual (summarized) arguments by stupid people doesn't mean a hill of beans when you look at how your framed your post, no matter how accurate your mocking may be. You fling up paper-thin "arguments", and easily refute them. Your real opponent is either SE, or the idea of the change in general.

I thought this one was obvious, clearly I consider your opinions on SE's involvement with RMT to be tinfoil-hat-worthy. It's not the only one, but it's the best one.

By the same token, playing whack-a-mole with every griefer using human resources is not the right way to do it either, from both a business and a logistics standpoint. It's usually not possible to tell the difference between innocent trains and delibrate MPK without someone actually watching it happen, assuming they aren't stupid enough to talk about it in-game. Do you care to make a wild prediction on how much it would cost to police every potential MPK site on every server?

You'll saddle yourself with an unending money-sink. If there's a cheaper technological way, that's significantly effective, to combat the problem, SE would be fools not to leap on it. The REAL solution, like most, falls somewhere between both extremes. There will NOT be a quick programming fix, and throwing people at the problem is just as dumb. What needs to be done is that they curb MPK with game mechanics as much as is reasonably possible without unintended consequences (note that this change fails there because of BST), and then use people to fill in the gaps.


I also agree that the downsides of this idea are clearly outweighed by the positive. I'll change my mind in a heartbeat if someone points out something I missed, but for now I think this is the least painful and most effective solution.


What makes you think I didn't read it? Your intentions, hindsight or otherwise, have no bearing on the irony of your "SE" twist, which is all I commented on. I didn't take it to step #2 and call you a hypocrite (just in case that's what you thought I was implying), because I think the truth or untruth of statements should stand on their own merit.


But you really should, if you're going to lambaste people for conflating symptoms/problems, otherwise your analysis is incomplete. Banning RMT MPKers is still not far enough up the ladder of symptoms.

But it also suggests ignorance, or incompetance, or a lack of resources to deal with the problem. And, if you beleive their story on the POL site, it also suggests an inability to consistently reach the standard of proof required to ban an MPKer.

Fortunately, it's not an either/or situation. Technical solutions and GM ban-sticks are not mutually exclusive, and I personally think they work better in tandem.

I compleatly agree with the statement that this update to eliminate MPK was only nessesary because SE's policy and the GM's actions against MPK was shotty at best and pathetic/non-exixtant at worst. If more effort was put into eliminating the players who MPK, this would not be nessesary.

Here's my idea on how everyone could be happy. We have all read the idea to make mobs non agro until they get back to their spawn point, and we all know this would be exploited. How about if only mobs that a beastmaster has released would act like that?This way, no exploits, no MPK, and bst get their solo ability back.

Don't worry. You can join my 8k per hour party any time instead! :D I've had some really good experiences with the few BSTs I've invited and I have no objections to inviting one again. ^^

Now on subject, I''ve been a RNG for well over a year and I can't honestly see any similarities between what just happened to BST and what happened to RNG. Let's face it, RNG got hit because a big part of the FFXI population saw it as a broken job. Now, I didn't really agree with that, if anything it was peoples veiw of RNG that was broken. The damn job was simply overhyped and overused due to peoples lazyness (why think of a strategy when we can just get more rangers?? D:). So what happened was probably inevitable, was it annoying for me? Yea but I'll coop. Anyway, I digress.

The way I see it BST just got crossed in the crossfire, it wasn't done to correct a so called imbalance in the game. It shouldn't really have happened and I hope they correct this. I must say that I haven't played BST higher than 20 so no personal experience, but I've never heard that the job was overpowered in any way. Doing something about MPK is a good thing in its own, but this side effect is bad as I see it. I'm not saying that they should change things back, but the way things are now Leave seems to have lost it's use. That can't have been the purpose. What if they just made the mob idle for 1 minute or two after you use Leave and after that time is up the mob disapears? Wouldn't that fix things while still making Leave useless for MPK purposes?

Oh and while on the subject, stop bashing the people who leave the job after this. I've said this before about the RNG patch, if the changes to the job was so big that it isn't enjoyable there's no shame in leaving. I personally didn't have much trouble adapting after the RNG change but some of my friends had. Sure, they could still get the job done well but they just didn't enjoy it the same. Now, what happened to BST seem to have an even bigger impact on the job so it's natural that some people will react in that way. I would still advice everyone to wait another couple of weeks before they give up completely on the job though, see what happens. The issue might still be adressed.

And now, [I'm tired]. G'night~

No it isn't. Let's hear it. I'm curious now.

I'm a guy ;_;. I'm not gay, but I'll totally make an exception for you. To be fair, this is the fourth time someone has mistaken me for a girl /sigh.

You kick *** in every topic I've ever seen you make. The rebuttals of the opposition crumble beneath the might of your words.

I agree wholeheartedly with what you've said about the Beastmaster ruination. I'm Red Mage and Beastmaster main. They hit us all hard. And not even just the Beastmasters... I can only imagine what camps like the waterfall camp in Boyahda is like, damn Processionaires lose scent of you the second you make into the water.

Or even training NMs for Dynamis? That must be a *****.

It only makes me wish my account wasn't revoked for RL reasons so I could join the fight.



...Keep fighting for justice Spinshark. You words are uncensored and speak only truth.