New Menu of Vana'diel: Tasty FOOD Effects List - Dec Patch!Follow

Great Thread! The food changes should really help everyone. Esp. Cooks.

As everyone knows, in the past only a few foods were ever worth using. However, with foods changing effectiveness with the level of the jobs, a lot more foods are going to be made and should make cooking a much more enjoyable and useful craft.


NPC useful for testing:
BTW, some people may find the new Tarutaru NPC in Lower Jeuno [next to the steps before you go down them on the left side as you walk towards Zone]. This NPC will remove your current Food Affect by trading a Gysahl Green to him. Keep in mind this won't help with measuring durations, but they seem to be largely well defined. This NPC will also be useful if you are suffering a Food affect due to last another 2 hours and you decided to switch jobs. ^^

just noticed you've made a mistake on figuring +attack %, especially for when you tested with a level 1 charcter: every 2 points of str adds 1 attack, so before dividing you need to add half the str bonus to the starting attack. (btw my characters strength was an even number so only figure 1 more attack for +3 str foods)

If I could give you a rating of 6 I would. This is awesome. Someone tell the Bards to shut up plz! j/k

wckowalski,

Good point. The question is more of how we want to view the final #'s. On the one hand, if we just want to see the final results (i.e., "What is my ultimate STR Boost?" "What is my ultimate Attack Boost?" etc.) then these #'s are accurate - that is the % increase that Attack or Defense rose when eating this food. It's not like you can eat a Mithkabob and not gain its STR bonus (in addition to its Attack bonus).

On the other hand, you're right in that if we want to find out a "pure" Attack # without the STR bonus, we'd subtract (STR/2 from Attack). But if we're just after final results, wouldn't it be simpler and easier for others to understand by going w/ the final values? (current calculations)

Thank You Thank You Thank You!

I'd also give you a 6 if I could.

I read somewhere (I've read to many rumors to remember exactly where) that the food effect would be different on different races. I will test a few tongiht as 61 elvan monk. I have a hume and taru mule I can look at but they are both lv 1.

Anyone else know about this?

Thanks again for a great post!!!

taken from: http://www.playonline.com/updateus/041209we8yu0.html

make note of the ACCURACY part!!

according to ffxi.cannotlinkto sushi gives +14 acc!!!


sushi blows mithkabobs away

wc, interesting. Naturally I did all my tests with no other boosts (no Berserk, no other JA or spells active). I also did a straight differential between Before and After #'s (so even if I did have different equipment on, that wasn't factored in).

If we were going to look at subtracting STR bonus (or other relavent Stat bonus) first, how do we factor in the odd # increases? For example, STR +3 bonus would naturally be "1.5 to Attack" based on existing proof (2 STR = 1 Attack). But since we don't see any decimals, how do we know that SE is or isn't calculating "1.5" (vs. "1" that is visible)? Do we have conclusive proof that the decimal (the 0.5) is or isn't being cut-off? We don't know for sure. So, e.g., on a base Level 1 Monk, I ate a Roast Mutton: My Attack started at 11 and went up to 16. It also gave a +3 STR bonus. But honestly do we know (or not know) if SE is secretly saving decimals? How do we know if that Level 1 Monk's Attack isn't "11.5" (but it doesn't show) and when I ate the Roast Mutton it actually gave a total of 4.5 to boost it to 16 (or that it's at 16.5)? Or that it grants a true 1.5 bonus to Odd # Base Stats? Does SE round down on Odd # Base Stat bonuses? (so we only get +1 (vs. +1.5) from a +3 STR bonus?) We don't know for sure.

Sorry for the long exposition (^_^;), but unless we have that proof, subtracting "-1" from a +3 STR bonus food (or even "-1.5") for recalculating Attack %'s isn't 100% accurate either. To keep things simple, let's try to include the total Numerical Increase as well as Percentage Increase then (and let everyone decide if that food is helpful?) :)

Well we should be able to find if they save the decimal before multiplying the percent by seeing if anyone can get increasing the str from an even number to an odd number while under a food with a high % bonus can cause attack to go up a point sometime. But as is, testing with an extremely low level character with that formula will consistently produce anomolus results with high attack % which can not be compared between two different characters to see which one gives more %.
Edit: and I'm sure there are precise verifiable formulas that are used for the limits for higher level characters which will not be accurately found without taking into account the attack granted by the str increase.

Edited, Thu Dec 9 20:43:51 2004 by wckowalski

hmm, looking at those results for roast (and juicy which should be a similar percent) and mithkabobs with different characters, it seems that indead the attack bonus has some form of cap for it, which will vary considerably by type of food. Because it looks like the mutton took a small hit when used by a level 45 character instead of a 35, but not a similar hit for mithkabobs, and roast mutton took a much higher hit for the 75 monk compared to the mithkabob (makes some sense since roast mutton is a much lower level recipie). Could some people with really high level jobs post some info on the percent and net attack increase they got from mithkabobs, perhaps it will turn out to be a fixed number increase as the limit?
Edit: it seems to be consistent % increases for lower level characters (discounting the level 1 tests which do not account for the str), so it seems quite reasonable to assume that prior to some certain limit it is a fixed %.

Edited, Thu Dec 9 20:53:24 2004 by wckowalski

I can confirm that the carp sushi does not give a HP Bonus. My HP stayed the same before and after eating the sushi. I am going to try to test some others later tonight.

carp sushi isn't really a 'true' sushi becaues it doesn't require the key item: "Raw Fish Handling" from the guild like the other sushi (squid, sole, tuna, urchin) does. carp doesn't give u any of the huge acc boost that u get with the new sushi

well I find this food update stupid...but as a former samurai, I can tell you we seems to have got a little bit maybe out of this. Since our riceballs are now IMO alot better then mtihkabobs.


With the AF gloves +8 DEX, +50 Attack, +32 DEF, +4 VIT +4 CHR +1% Double attack

As an elvaan I'd easily take 8 dex over 5 str.

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