Suggestions for changing the MPK systemFollow

Another nice bug I've gotten at least 3 times is having NO options under Pet Commands menu when I have an avatar summoned. can't attack or release it. very annoying. Again as you've said, your only option is to run and endanger others, or take a dirt-nap to keep others safe.

my experiance of mpk is v limited, ie ive only seen it done, or someone has tried to mpk my party and failed. I agree with making it so monsters only aggro/attack once they have returned to their start point, or if they are attacked on the way back, makes sense.

On a different note, whilst i have the opertunity to talk direct to someone from SE, how about un-gimping dragoons!! i love the dragoon job to bits, but since the jobs attributes where changed, its now stuck at 45, and people leave when i try and form a party and no invites!!! and by stuck i mean like that for 5 weeks trying to exp, in diff locations!! it sucks!! im going to lvl Samurai as it has been suggested by other players, and in forums. dont get me wrong, i dont want u to lvl my jobs for me, my RDM is currently 52, but i feel i shouldnt have to go quest, complete, and lvl another advanced job, just to do enough dmg for ppl to think about letting me into a pty!!

ty for your time

dan

AKA Gwuryn
Asura Server

While I've yet to actually be purposely MPK'd by another player, I do recognize it as a problem that must be addressed. After all, people play this game to have fun, not to lose exp (in other words, hours of their lives that they spent garnering that exp lost) because some dolt decided it would be funny to bring an angry critter back with them.

Most of the time a mob aggroing my pt's is a result of an accidental train-that being, some poor newbie who is desperately trying to make it back to the zone before he's whiped out, and picks up even more mobs on the way TO the zone. This is especially a problem whenever I have a low level job going through Garliage Citadel, as that place's layout is just BEGGING for multiple links of bats, and/or beetles. A pull gone wrong often results in 3 or 4 bats, which don't aggro in the upper part but can, if they take a wrong turn, pick up the aggressive types of bats.

Even so...it's a constant nuisance in Garliage in particular, and a few other places with setups that just spell out link. I think that the mob not becoming aggressive once it's lost/killed it's prey until it's reached it's original starting point is a very good idea. Nothing more irritating than walking out of crawlers nest with a level 35 job only to meet 6 Soldier Crawlers waiting for you at the entrance that somebody trained there.

Biggest problem I see really isn't MPK'ing but people monopolizing mob spawns for hours, even days, taking turns, so that nobody can get the drop but them unless they're extremely fast and lucky. I realize actions against this have been taken, but people are still camping rare/ex drops and SELLING the rights to lot on them-still finding loopholes. I propose that once a person kills a notorious monster, they (or the party members who killed it) should have to wait at least until the monster has spawned again and have to pass that one up until they can claim it again. This would prevent those ever-annoying gil-sellers who sit there for 20 hours straight claiming every spawn point from anyone who would like a chance at it.

Also...more items should be rare/ex to prevent gil-selling and AH price monopolization.


Anyway...best solution to MPK'ing would be simply to make it so that the mob ONLY attacks the player who caught it's attention in the first place and/or anyone helping/taking part in fighting it...NOT those who are just bystanders. Once that person zones, it should go back to it's spawn point...and only then become aggressive again. Problem would definitely be solved then. :)

suggestion: I think maybe that every area should have a bounty-hunter guild. this giuld would be set solely for the purpose of hunting down those people doing the MPKing. Any MPK reported to GM would register to the guild in the area of where the MPK is taking place. adventurers that register with the guild would get a report (like when maintance take place,In purple).Developlers can make a scroll that locksout the MKPer till a GM comes to retrieve the player. Scroll for any job,race,or lvl. Scroll can only be obtained through the guild and would be rare/ex. Lockout scroll keeps MPKer in place where he/she was caught,mobs can't aggro him/her. GM can base a gil reward on offender base on the number of GM calls he/she gets for MPKing, The higher the number of calls the higher the reward.


I know some will says what about the MPKers getting the LockOut scroll? I have thought about that. GM's prolly have an on going list of reported ppl, If they use this idea; once they install the guilds the list of MPK ppl currently on hand it can be set up in the guilds. Hence more any current MPKer that goes to register with Bounty-Hunter guild will be caught right there once they try to register.


I think this might be a way to keep some of our high lvl people in-game once they lvl 75. Devepolers might even concider this another way ppl can increase fame as well. Make ppl fear Bounty-Hunters. Reduce number of ppl thinking of MPKing.


That's My suggestion for the MPK problem.
<Dardraco> RedMage/Warrior Fairy Server

II am like most people here glad to see feedback i only have 2 ideas worth considering


1. Make all NM HNM items rare/ex ..that puts a big stop on rmt also make the spawns happen more offen since its a rare/ex people who really want the item can get it hell make it a quest only pop or something you can only do once anything to make it where everyone can go at it and not try to kill everyone around its 1 of the main reasons i don't even bother with NM hunting


2. as far as mpk's go policeing is needed i would love to see a wondering GM come in and just smite the mpk'er i think it would be great if the lack of GM's exist then imploy the players as you will read most ppl just want action from the GM's some sign that they exsist...

thats all i's gots to say and i ain't gonna say's no more

Suggestion:

Those are some good ideas, but lets not forget the reason why so many MPK. they simply do not get to claim the monster. now if its a timed spawn, such as the HNMs, its really not fair to MPK someone simply because they claimed it. but if Player A has been killing placeholders in a lottery spawn for 5 hours and Player B comes and 5 minutes later after B arrives the notorius monster spawns and B. claims him... well, player A is gonna be super pissed and is more likely to MPK B. for comeing and getting so lucky and taking something A has been working so hard to spawn.
One way to deal with this would be to maybe have notorious monsters leave a ??? target after the NM has died, and based on how many placeholders for that NM youve killed before it died, you might get a slight chance of finding the items. so if player A has killed say... 200 placeholders in those 5 hours, then he might get a 10% chance of finding each of the items the NM spawns. of course, the person who killed the NM wouldnt be able to get anything. also, you would also have to have killed actual placeholders, not some random mobs. also, it would have to reset after every time, so some player doesnt spend all day killing placeholders, then waiting for someone to kill the NM then having a 100% chance of getting the item. of course, you could modify the % increase per placeholder killed, but if implemented, you would reduce a lot of players emnity to others when they get lucky. in fact, this happened to me with Dame Blance in Korrokola tunnel today, i camped for over 2 hours, then a ninja comes in 5 minutes and walks away with the prize.
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apologize for the long post, and great to hear a SE representative! ^^b

Edited, Fri Nov 4 05:00:26 2005 by Dunechild

Suggestion:When you are 50+ Easy Prey mobs should not aggro. The monster should see you as a threat right?

Suggestion:why not give back exp when someone is obviously a victim of MPK? you could have a flat rate 500 exp back when there's an obvious MPK, i.e. the person said "I am going to MPK you" and then does. Why not penalize those who do MPK as well? You could also give the exp back lsot and take it from the person who MPKd.


Suggestion:Sleep AoE hits only PT members fighting the mob!! Please please please! It's such a pain! People will camp nadragora or sheep or sprouts near or around you and sleep hits your healers or your whole PT. No more running by a party in the jungle on chocobo and falling asleep or fighting a gob next to a party with a mandy and being hit.

......after all this years u "think" for "Suggestions for changing the MPK system"

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i all the time say that GM is an *** HOLE~
ther is alot of thing in FFXI need to be changed.....
wake up ><
everyone know that GM is useless~~~~
alot of ppl leave FFXI and /follow WoW
why....??? why....?
play WoW and u will know.....
u will know that SE dont care... and the GM only a gay that dont do anything...
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just think...


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The most ridiculas tool in the game system atm is the Bind/Shadowbind system.
What was going through peoples mind when they decided it would attack the nearest person is beyond me, this should definatley be rectified.

AoE attacks from mobs, I believe should really effect everyone whos near it, some people think the complete oposite but I think its fitting that AoE damage hits all people in range.
For 1. its stops people Setting up Camps ontop of each other.
2. Adds a little more danger into the game

BST are currently the job that can MPK the easiest, A great Idea would be to male there released pet return to it starting position before being able to Agro.


On topic but along a different route, the way you talk about the "MPK system" makes it sound like this system was actually implemented and was expected to be used O.O

laters

Kaze

well I saw a post about BST cool down time on Tame/Charm..that's not too cool for someone trying to level beast trying to get a chain, unfair to those who play BST legit


the mobs not aggroing until they return to spawn point maybe a decent idea, I am against the stop-linking idea, links and such on exp parties add to the game, NM monsters camped at parties own risk..clear the pop area get help etc..also part of the difficulty of claiming and killing the NM

I don't think there is any real way to stop MPKs, most the suggestions I see here would weaken the difficulty of the gameplay..

the only thing I did see that makes sense..WHY is therre MPK? Why? Where and Who?

those problems should be addressed not gameplay tweaking

Actually, there's some good use for this feature.
Before the big fishing change, it was my #1 method of killing fish bots... even killed lvl 50 WHMs with that (20 minutes of work to kill 1 bot, but whatever)

It's also a good way to get rid of well-known 24/7 morion worm campers (who interestingly enough always seem to delevel to the same level when killed...).

When a bound mob hits you, it will only agro as long as it's bound. After that, it will return to it's aggressor.

The positive factor in this is, that it ignores all hate for a moment. A WHM can use Benediction, and tanks will have enough time to provoke the mob, as it's focussed on the person in front of it. (Make sure not to attack it though, as that can cancel Bind.)

And for my own suggestion:
Situation: Mob A is being attacked by player A. Mob B decides to join the fight, so player A sleeps it. Player B sees this, claims mob B with Dia. Mob B wakes up, is claimed, cannot be slepted, and still has primary hate on player A. Player A cannot affect mob B though (Bind), since it's still claimed by player B.

Suggestion 1: When a player actively aggroed a mob (cast sleep or bind on it), but loses claim due to changing targets, it will remain unclaimed for ALL players present until one of them manages to draw the hate onto himself (ie, provoke)

Suggestion 2: When a bound mob agros a player not on it's hate list, it will lose claim 5 seconds after shifting attention on that 'neutral' player.

Doing so that the mobs don't aggro until they are back at their spawning-location is basicly going to solve everything. I liked the pert where AOEs don't hit anyone outside the party/parties that is/are fighting the mob in question. That would also help when a mob has AOE sleep, and they are used for exp parties, and other parties pullers get slept, ruining the exp chain, all the time. (narrow areas like Yhoator Jungle is a prime example.)

If this gets fixed, I'd love to see what the GMs will be concentrating on instead! ^^ Heck, we might even get rid off Gilsellers!