Suggestions for changing the MPK systemFollow

brotha man, you TOOK THE WORDS RIGHT OUTTA MY MOUTH !!!!!!!!!!!

this is the # 1 thing that ROYALLY pisses me off as an End game player.

i wont say certain names, or LS's, but i'll give an example

my ls was fighting Tiamat, after a few hours of fighting, we got it down to 3%...

well at that time we had a few pops on us that we had to take care of.

at that time Tiamat went yellow and local, yet the hate was still on my LS.

a Certain person remaining un-named, decided to voke Tiamat and then calling for help leaving us no chance for drop without having to re-go thorugh a few hours of killing.

when the MPK/Steal happened, only 10-15% of my LS was dead, just the norm, we were not wiping by no mean, we only adverted out attn to the pops since it was night time, there for losing claim, and eventually led to a total MPK wipe.

we did call a GM, what happened you ask,
NOT A GD THING HAPPEND, PATHETIC !!!

sorry for the rant, but dammit this crap has to stop, and the GM's need to step up and grow a pair, and actually TAKE ACTION

"we will take the information we have and investigate the matter"
my *** you do,

if you going to be a game master, then step up and do something , THEN and only then, maybe players will have a fair chance at doing stuff without jerked around and getting screwed over

again sorry for the rant, but i'm only telling the truth, tis might not be a nice way, but it is NO LIE,

Thank You


Sorry for the underlines, seems when i was quoting, it still kept it on,

i'm working now on taking the underlines outta the bottom part of post, it was not supposed to be there, forgive me for not see'in that sooner

Edit, Fixed the underline prob.




Edited, Sat Nov 5 03:40:23 2005 by Skybreak

Edited, Sat Nov 5 03:34:05 2005 by Skybreak

Suggestion : Maybe a way to fix NM/HNM MPK'ing is to make NM's/HNM's appear "dangerous" to other mobs. All other mobs would "fear" the NM/HNM and stay away from it, which in turn would keep the mobs away from whoever is currently fighting the NM/HNM. After the NM is dead, the mobs would go back to their normal movement area and resume their route.



Edit: You may have to add a certain time period before mobs enter the NM battle area on their path back to where they came from (if the mobs cannot go around the NM area). Just to give you a chance to get out of the way or to heal. This idea would mostly be useful in NM/HMN MPK train situations, which happen way too often.

edit for spelling... it's getting late lol




Edited, Sat Nov 5 03:56:54 2005 by Lilragha

Edited, Sat Nov 5 03:58:46 2005 by Lilragha

Suggestion: Make it so monsters trained to the zone, released mobs, etc. do not aggro until they've walked back to their original starting point!

Suggestion: Current HNM AoE system is fine. Regular mob's AoEs should not effect other players.

Suggestion: GMs need to be more of a presence. Punishments for botting, RMT, and MPKing should be made public sort of a players to look out for list.

Suggestion: add Death spell, a good way to eliminate EP-T regular mobs so training on alliances. (obviously make it so NMs are unaffected, also you get 0 xp and no items if you kill the monster with the spell.)

Completely unrelated lol.
Suggestion: Tell your friends in SE that gamers want a full "Final Fantasy VII" remake, not just a tech demo teaser.

I myself am a Summoner main, and Beastmaster as well. I see where both sides are coming from, but I don't think anything needs to be changed. Making monsters not aggro til they get back to spawn point makes things far too easy. This game is difficult to be enjoyed. Think how easy everything would become if they changed it all. The MPK issue...well, I have never really had a MPK issue. I suggest better service from our GMs. The ones I've spoken with aren't very knowledgable. More penalties for those who MPK, but not complete cut of service, I think that would be nice. Take away a priviledge if they ***** up, but don't make it permenant. Just a few random, unorganized thoughts^^

A few suggestions of mine ^^:

Suggestion #1: Take action against reported MPK'ers.

When 50-100 people call a GM on the same person for the same MPK, theres an extremely low chance that they made it up. Quit making excuses like "we have to witness it" or "did they make any prior threats to mpk" because the people that MPK know what theyre doing and are not dumb enough to say what their intentions are beforehand. Good MPKers can make any MPK attempt look accidental.

Suggestion #2: Stop the double-standards.

One Night my linkshell was MPK'ed at Fafnir by a overly jealous member of a rival linkshell who decided to train Spiders and bind Darters on us while we were fighting. We wiped, and his linkshell proceded to kill Fafnir and won. We called a GM on him and their excuse was, again, "we have to witness it", the player that caused the MPK got away scot free.

The following night at Fafnir again, the same person decides to show up, we call a GM before he pops to see if they will monitor the fight just in case he attempts to MPK us again. The GM replies they cannot watch over us due to the fact that they have other problems to solve and went away. The player, again, MPKs us after we got claim, his linkshell defeats Fafnir once again. And again, he gets away scot free.

This has to stop, and a good way to do this is as a lot of others suggested: have a GM moderate an area in which a highly allocated NM is about to pop.

Suggestion #3: Make high value drops Rare/Ex, and make them drop more often or 100%.

You guys did this to a few NMs back on the July 18th Version Update, and it has been a huge success other than the fact that the price of Leaping Boots and Emperor's Hairpins have skyrocketed. Doing this will prevent Real Money Traders (often refered to in the FFXI community as Gilsellers/Gilfarmers) from camping and killing these monsters. Over 90% of MPKs on the Kujata server are done by RMT's.

One example would be Serket: Serket has 2 highly allocated drops, one of which is a Ring which has jumped in price from 1 to 6 million gil due to that NM being monopolized by RMT's that MPK to get claim and kill. Making that Ring Rare/ex will prevent Gilsellers from making a lot of gil on it to sell over the internet. Making it a 100% drop will prevent the price of the non-rare/ex version from skyrocketing further. Overall the community would benefit from this.

Suggestion #4: Make certain highly allocated Rare/ex drops obtainable from other sources, or make certain NMs/HNMs forced spawn.

Going back to Suggestion #2, I mentioned an event that happened at Fafnir. Fafnir drops items that are highly allocated even though they have no price and are Rare/ex. Now, there are thousands of other players on the server who want the item you're after, all it takes is for one crazy person who will do whatever it takes to get this item and get it now, including MPK.

2 ways this can be fixed. One would be to make items, such as Abjurations, available from other sources, NMs, HNMs, quests, etc. Example: Earthen and Martial Abjuration: Body peices drop off Nidhogg ONLY, if they dropped off another NM/HNM or even ENM, that gives more opportunity for a person to obtain that item they want.

or, Make the HNMs forced-pop, in an arena or zone where its impossible to steal/mpk, nobody likes to camp Fafnir everyday or possibly Nidhogg every 3-8 days just to have another person steal/mpk it from you.

Edited, Sat Nov 5 05:53:49 2005 by Bizznatch

I'm trying to word this correctly, but it would work if I could get it out.. lol

How about when a NM or mob significantly higher than the levels of the players around that mob or NM when moved from spawnground to a zone... simply despawns immediately or after a few seconds to see if the subject will rezone and get reaggrod..

This means if someone is attempting to MPK, when the subject zones and the mob is left standing.. it will wait a few seconds or a minute to see if the subject will come back. (most mpk'ers want to see the turmoil.) and if the subject doesn't come back.. the mob simply despawns and respawns back to original starting point. This way the mob will not aggro on the way back to starting point. Nor will it aggro the surrounding people trying to level since the mob is focussed on that one individual.

Personally, I believe "no aggro until back to starting point" takes away from the reality of the game. The above would be a more logical choice.

I dont think we should change the battle system. What we need is law and order. If someone is MPKd they need to lodge it with the relevant authority. The authority must then ACT upon the issue. If ppl are regularly MPKing ppl then they must be banned from the ZONE or the GAME. It needs to be made a crime to intentionally MPK, a crime with consequences. We need an internal noticeboard that states facts: EG Kaditcher is banned from Zone X for x game days for suspected MPK action. The notice board method will build a profile of who is MPKing and who is not. The Authoritys should manage the noticeboard.

A form of penance used in medieval times was BRANDING with a mark. If you /check someone it should state social facts about people, eg the number of times they been accused of MPK and confirmed MPK's. A search facility would allow you to check a zone for known MPK players and act accordingly.

My suggestions:

1.I think it is a Great idea for mobs that are bound will not lash out on anyone running by, more to the effect they only attack Party Members.

2.Getting rid of links and aggro's while fighting was probably the dumbest idea i read on the first page. I mean common weres the dificulty besides it doesn't make, lets see how many mobs i can simotaniously whipe out at the same time, any fun.

3.Give beast pets a 1 minute cool down timer after beeing released and will only aggro the one who released it and there party members.

4.I don't believe in the whole stop mobs from aggroing because someone zones them that just makes it way to easy to have a puller zone several tough mobs out of the way completely bypassing sneak/invis (that method will hurt the alchemy society the most). Instead if a mob is zoned and 1 or more members in your party is engaged in battle it will bypass your party. Ya have to think if a mobs zoned and ur not engaged in battle that gives u ample time enough to either A. get the hell outa the way or B. Sneak/Invis yourself.


Aparrently you did read the subject, "Suggestions for changing the MPK system, not lets whine about gilsellers more cause we all would so love to hear about that post. Bsides the little flitch in you idea is what about all those ENM statics and HNM LS's that there leader or one person is selling and distributing the money via mail. There gonna get falsely acused of being a gilseller. PPL PLEASE THINK FOR GOD SAKES BEFORE YOU POST!

Most the ideas i read were good ideas but weren't well thought through in the aspect how badly it would ***** so many ppl on ever server over. another thing to everyoen that reads this post /blockaid is there to stop ppl from Curing you stealing your mob and running off i hear ppl whine about that to much even AFTER the update.

Edited, Sat Nov 5 09:26:54 2005 by keddin

Edited, Sat Nov 5 09:29:50 2005 by keddin

That wouldn't be fair because not everyone in China is doing it. Assuming you're NA, what if most of NA's were the ones MPKing? It wouldn't be fair to stop providing service to NA just because a group of people are misbehaving. And according to you it's around 70-90% so that would leave a 10-30% out.

First and formost most MPK happen because of Gilfarmers. How do I suggest rid of them?

1) Put a flag up for people who are doing actions *say mining*, who do not reply to GM tells.

> GM says: Hello, you have been identified as a possible mining bot, in order to prove otherwise, I would like you to say your not
<< Bot_001 says: ......

5 minutes later

> GM says: You have now been flagged as a possible bot.
GM casts D2 on Bot_001.

After oh, 3 times of that, they get banned FOREVER. Not just the account, they can buy new ones soo...
a) Account
b) Credit Card
c) Billing Address

2) Make every item dropped from HNM droppable in an ENM.

3) Make every type of monster have the chance of dropping said item.

For example, Leaping Lizzy. He should have 100% chance of dropping his boots, but, have all the other lizards in that zone have a chance of dropping them as well.

4) Make monsters only drop items if you get XP from the monster.

5) Make the HNM spawn with an item found in the zone from very harsh monsters in the zone.

6) S-E buy gil. Very simply put, a GM disquised as a normal character buys some gil at there website. The person sending it should get banned, as well as everyone from that billing address and from that credit card.

7) ACTIVE GUARDS. If a city controls a region, there should be guards. Yes, I know there already there, BUT, if say people are running away, they kill everything in range. /CFH would be nice on this too, if the guard is in range, they come running to save you. I want this in EVERY zone.

8 MUCH MUCH LONGER RESPAWN TIMES, on monsters. You may think, but wouldnt this hurt xp? What does this have to do with MPK? Wouldnt more competition encourage more MPK?

a) NO - people do not kill half the monsters available, whens the last time you killed malboros for xp..on purpose? in my experience..once *two 75 character*

b) Read this! - people would be spread all over vana'diel, thus, less people clogged into one tiny area. I have literally seen 50 players + in the tunnels killing crawlers all in that one camp with all the lizards towards the entrance.

c) NO - if the monsters do not spawn quickly as they do now, they wont be around to kill anyone else. I would say at least 4 hour respawn on all monsters not in newbie areas ie, East and West Ronfaure, East and West Sarabuta, and North and South Gustaburg.

Wow, so many replies. I got stopped at one suggestion, and just felt like I should second it.

I really don't know why letting bound mobs attack other people (outside of the party/alliance) was possible in the first place. o.o
One other thing, and again I haven't read too many of the replies, so I'm sorry if this was brought up already. :P
About the mobs not attacking until they reach their original spawn point...I think one addition to that should be that after they're zoned, the name above their head turns a different color, like a CFH, claimed, or weakened mob. People should still be able to claim them and get exp from them before they reach their spawn point though.

Edited, Sat Nov 5 10:19:59 2005 by AJKazuya

1. Monsters should no longer link with one that's being pulled as this normally results in a "train".
2. Area effect spells by players and monsters should no longer effect anyone other than the target(s) as this normally results in death.
3. If a monster is bound or paralyzed it should not immediately attack the nearest person.
4. A monster should attack whom has most hate and then the least in said order. Rather than in a random nature.
5. A monster should kill it's target and return to it's spawn point. While not linking or attcking another player whom aggreviates it along the way.

Thank you

I would like to put my two cents into the matter here. I don't know if some of these suggestions have been said already, but nonetheless I will give you my opinion. To be perfectly frank, I believe that following some or all of these suggestions would greatly improve the game.

The first thing you have to look at is not ways to curb MPK; you need to look at the reasons why people MPK.

First and foremost the word that I hear in game of why people MPK is quite simple; they feel that the GMs and Square-Enix do not do anything. It is the reason here is fighting in hockey, the players are policing themselves because they feel the referees are not doing there jobs. It is really no different here. Someone gets trained (whether it was intentional or not), they get mad, they train back, more people get mad, and volence breeds volence.

I believe that people wouldn't feel the need to police themselves if it seems like the proper people where doing there jobs. I am not saying that they don't might mind you, I am saying it seems like they don't do their job. Why not go out of the way and try and prove the GMs are doing their job. I would suggest these:

1. Publish offenses in the Vana'deil Tribune, web site.
2. Have a greater GM presence in the game.
3. Tribunal of peers.
4. Eliminate the exp loss on death.
5. Eliminate cannot attack cause of claiming.

I would think that if Square-Enix would publish offenders (of just about anything) in the newspaper or on their website people would be less likly to do something wrong. They would be guilted into not doing something because their peers would know what they did. I have found some very anti-soical and very lonly people play FFXI, to further alienate people like that who do something wrong would make people less likly to do it.

Also, having a greater GM presence would be helpful to show that there are people in the game who are there to help. I have seen a GM in game only twice. Once the GM popped in on my party to say hi in Kuftal. This showed that there are actually people in game there to help. Also, having a GM come around after one of the big NMs pop would make people less likly to MPK to try and reclaim the pop for themselves.

Another thing would be to make sure the GM doesn't have a personal reason of begin there. The second time I saw a GM was in Jeuno. The GM was there to tell people to raise someone who was dead outside the Mog House. When he was raised the GM left. My personal though on this was the person was an aquaintence of the GM.

After the GMs have basically arrested the players for crimes against the FFXI community, let the players dictate the punishment for the guilty. This would be a way for the players to police themselves without resorting to MPK.

Don't forget, if you eliminate the exp loss on death, there is nothing to lose by being MPKed (other than time). Also, if someone claims a monster you are already fighting, but letting you continue to attack and kill there is no chance of people dying cause of too much hate.

The second reason I see people MPK is to get back at the gil sellers.

People do not like spending 10 million gil on an item, and they blame the gil sellers on it. I understand that the way FFXI was set up there would be a time when the economy would eventually get to that point, but the gil seller pandemic accelerated this. This does need to be fixed. Honestly, if someone spends for what seems like weeks at a time in the same zone collecting an item, there is something wrong with that.

In my opinion, Sony has the answer to this problem: Make a Square-Enix website to sell gil. This way you can control the flow of gil better than letting someone else do this. Someone wants to sell gil, sell it back to Square-Enix. Someone wants to sell an account have it facilitated by Square-Enix.

The next step would be to then put in the TOS that it is illegal to make a profit off of FFXI. Punishments could include, character deleting or even somethign like criminal actions.

Just to point out, I have heard a rumor that current GMs are in control of the gil sellers and profit off it. It is just what i heard in the game and I'm not saying it is true. If these rumors are true, something needs to be done about that.

The gil sellers did help cause this problem. I'm sorry, I have 7.4 million gil and I feel poor.

Ahkore, feel free to contact me. I will help to fix the problems of FFXI. I love the game and think it has the potential to be the best MMPORGP on the market if these problem can be fixed.