Suggestions for changing the MPK systemFollow

When it is finished with the hate on the player, instead of walking back, it should just return back to its original point via despawn.

but that would hurt SAC pulls

Suggestion: Although i do believe that aggro until a monster has returned to its spawn area is a good idea i believe this can be misused to pass into areas that you normally would have trouble getting into. instead of having to sneak your way through or fight or some sort like that you just train mobs to entrance and run back right through them with no trouble

Reason i dont want this to happen, one example to be short. I recall a time when i was farming with a friend and we were slept by a blm mob with sleepga II, ok so i was THF and what i would do is shadowtitch the mob and then run off so she would be awakened.





WHOOP DEE DOO *sry for the sarcasim, i have nothing against you and your ideas and thoughts are very good.* BUT!, um you can play for 123512512512 years and not hav camped a single NM, what i meant(whihc i should probably edit lateR) is that PEOPLE WITH TONS OF EXPERIANCE CAMPING NMS etc, w/e should know how to spot out a RMT with one CHECK, HELL NOT EVEN A CHECK I CAN SPOT THE ****** JUST BY SEEING THEIR NAME!!!!!

I EXPRESS MY HOSTILITY ONCE AGAIN TO CHANGING THE GAMES MECHANICS TO STOP MPK , NOT ONLY WILL IT CAUSE THE DEVTEAM or whoever WRITES THE STUFF MORE TIME SPENT, BUT IT CAN REALLY **** SOME PEOPLE OFF.



YES! this guy has the right idea!!!!!!!!!! ok i understand that i have been dissing on the GMs for "not doing their jobs" but hey dont forget that i DO know how frustrating/stressfull/busy it can be and that they are. Now if shortage of GMs is an issue, you can not just "hire" (aparently hiar isnt the right spelling) real players to help with this situation but I WOULD MORE THEN GLADLY DO IT FOR FREEE!!!! . im almost certain that SE knows when every nm or hnm will spawn to the second and where. not against the rules for SE themselves to use packetsniffers in order to STOP mpk is it? You can just apoint these Deputy GMs which are real players, maybe set a age limit, and alow them to witness everything that happens, and either 1, take direct action themselves against MPKers, or 2. creat some kind of hot line with the GMs in order for them to contact them IMEDIATLY and be able to witness the mpking themselves and INSTANTLY put these players into jail.



Ok yea, well shikigami is Rare/ex, mobs like that should stay the say, basicaly ALL HNM and mobs that drop r/ex should stay the same, WHAT COULD be done to improve the economy is make these Farmables pop ALOT, imean make deggi go into window right after hes killed, and be able to pop WITHIN the hour or somthing, hell make MORE THEN ONE OF THE SAME NM POP WHENEVER! this will cause these NM farmable items to STORM the AH, and then prices will shurly lower, keeping RMT from making sufficient funds from them, altho i disagree partly from this because i enjoy camping these nms for money myself. ive done it for 2 and a half years and im loged in davoi right now at poisonhand camp, also what could happen is more Rare/ex drops like what happened to pin, boots, charm.





i'm sorry but chaing all this stuff would be very bad idea, those things are used for legitimat strategys, ESP the plds 2hr. it needs to be considered MPK when you claim a mob that a 2nd pt has already slept, if someone sees a yellow mob sitting there next to the claimed mob an exp is fighting, then you just LEAVE IT ALONE. its that simple. sry your post was fine but this is just not what we need AT ALL.



altho you will probably never even READ this reply, lol but id like to state that the game isnt made for you to easily run away from any mob, thats why things like flee and other +movement speeds are limited to certain jobs/people, its not like other MMO that you can agro anything and your run skill is maxed and they just cant ever catch up to you so u essentialy escape the monsters agro.

When you die while zoning is your own fault, its part of the game saying you bit off more then you can chew, its simple. learn from these mistakes ;p, cast utsu before you zone or heal yourself full. its simple. altho there are some other glitches ive seen with certain zones that i can adress later (the walled zones in davoi)

my girlfriend is here, so this will be my last retort.



MPK = Monster PRovoke Kill, definition, when someone does ____ to a monster in order to have ____ killed by it.

Ok well, its been a long night, i AM sorry for some of the things ive said about the GMs, i DO understand i do know how busy they are i know all of this. I may have been short but its just my point of view. Also the OP said dont hold back so dont flame me for w/e. and for you what are they called "trolls" lol have fun rate me down yes please i dun give a fook. (:
Guys, remember. This game is provided to us for one and only one purpose, and that is called Entertainment, there are several aspects in the game, community, battle, adventure, story, etc. you all know what im talking about. Lets all be safe and try and be resonable. Everyone has their down falls, id rather make a friend then a enemy. Have fun guys, see you in vandiel.

I'd agree with making it so that only people that have agroed the mob get agro whilst zoning, (people in the party and such).

Remembering level 32-34/5 of Garliage Citadel and the amount of times we had to zone because of high level mobs that we definatly couldn't touch. It's a disgrace!

Making it so that only the PT thar zoned gets agroed is a brilliant idea, and should definatly be implemented, and will definatly save many apon many of lives.

Quote:
"If someone zones a mob of any kind in a zone, why not have them zone out as if they're going after the character that zoned them. Such as someone brongs a rumble crawler to the zone in the crawler's next, that thing will ling with every crawler on the way to the zone. Now when the player zones, if the mobs still have hate twords them they run out of the zone. The player will end up in Roleberry fields (spelled horribly, I know) and the crawlers just kind of disapear and reaspan a few moments after running out of the zone."



Great Suggestion!! Best one I've read so far!!

Edited, Sun Nov 6 00:42:42 2005 by Gromis

Y'know the funny thing, guys?

Our fair SE rep hasn't replied since page--what?--five? Methinks he has ditched us.

And if he hasn't, and is still actually reading this, THIS is why many FFXI players have become disenfranchished with the GMs and execs running this game. You go on with your polite, "We'll investigate this matter"s and snatches of hope that maybe--MAYBE--something may get resolved, and then, for no reason, you disappear into the background to never be heard from again. Meanwhile, ******* #47 decides to MPK some group for god-knows what reason while you continue to "investigate" a matter that a three year old could figure out.

Want to solve MPKs? BAN THEM. No MPKers, no MPKs. Simple as that.

Excuse me. My bitter is showing.

Not a stupid question at all. The intent of SE seems to be to cut down or eliminate intentional MPK. The thing is that it is hard at times to say what is intentional and what isn't, much less devise a system that can discriminate. Whatever SE chooses to do or not do, not everyone will be pleased.

One thing I have noticed though is that not all zoning is equal. Pull a mob to a wide open zone isn't as bad as pulling one to a long tunnel or confined space. So maybe adjustments to mob behavior could be made to suit each area.

Whenever an HNM spawns, it should spawn with a certain radius that is considered a "no mob zone." Any mobs in the area could be prevented from entering this area. For instance, you could see something like this happening:

Serket pops in the middle of the Garlaige basement
HNMLS1 gets claim on Serket, begins fighting.
RMTLS1 grabs several tainted flesh mobs from the tunnels and attempts to train them onto HNMLS1.
Tainted Flesh hits the edge of the no mob zone. A message saying "The Tainted Flesh is driven back by Serket's Presence" appears as each flesh attempts to get into the no mob zone. The mobs disengage, take one return pass as they leave the fight, and re-aggro the person attempting to MPK if he remains in aggro range.

Beyond this, just make very powerful AOEs like Self Destruct only deal damage to those who have damaged it, or assisted someone who has damaged it. Two fixes such as these would drasticly cut down on MPK, leaving only some of the more small-time stuff to be dealt with.

Woah you know what!

Just let MPKing be legal. (:

Then we can all just mpk the crap out of each other and never have to worry about being baned.









Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh wait. its already LIKE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!


:/

I like the despawning idea as well. It will be as if the mobs chased the trainer out of the zone therefor zoned them selfs in the process. Of course they don't actually pop up at the other side of the zone. It's just a clever explaination to the despawning idea.

Of course this opens up the possibility of jack asses removing every mobs in the zone to block any exp PT's income in the area just for kicks.

Maybe make the mobs who zoned pops back to their original locations faster than if they were just killed? Or even make them instantly pop back?

Just throwing a few ideas out there.

Only problem i can think of this, would be say...dynamis jeuno... SAC pulling all the mobs makes it greatly easier to pull mobs back to party...so this might or might not be a big pain in the *** to get around

MPK prevention suggestions:

Monsters should NOT unclaim unless all members fighting the mob die (including ALLAINCE members).

The reason why a lot of people are mpk'd is because people steal the mob when it unclaims while another group is fighting it. The system in which mobs go unclaim is {Too Weak!}. Completly uncessary to have a mob go unclaim because someone disengages.

Mobs should only go unclaimed if the pt/allaince ***all**** have died. The current system where when one person disengages it unclaims. Part of the stategy to many of the fights is to 'kite' the moster around. And so your attackers will often disengage from it being out of range, then bam it goes unclaim and people steal. then people get mad at the other people and thus, the MPK fest.

simply put: mobs should have a much more rigerous set of requirements before going unclaimed.

Lastly I would like to suggest, when your test teams test out if a mob is killable or not; have another group try toMPK them. I think you will find out how to fix MPK problems by having a test team solely trying to mpk the other test team trying to kill the mob.

Thanks for reading,

WP