Suggestions for changing the MPK systemFollow

Suggestion:
Probably the best suggestion overall. Normal linkage like we're used to, but aggro only happens when the mob returns to their normal area. Even give the mobs a speed boost or something when zoned or trained away to avoid this being abused.
Suggestion:Released pets will not link or aggro anyone for 3-5 minutes. It's a rough idea, but I remember a few link situations in Bibiki fighting Tragopans where a bst or 2 lvling on the dhalmels would release them too close to our camp and they'd link to ours. Implementing this would also save people from MPKs because mobs wouldn't aggro for a certain ammount of time if trained and released near a party fighting a certain NM, they'd just walk away.
Suggestion:Last suggestion has absolutely nothing to do with MPKing at all but here goes....Please, keep up this kind of direct feedback with your community of players. This kind of thread is exactly what the overall player population needs. The server difficulties have been annoying at the least, and just knowing that you guys aren't just counting your money and laughing really makes the community feel better as a whole. It makes us feel like we're apart of the loop and that you really care. Kudos for you, SE, please keep up the great work, and continue to let the players' voices heard. Thanksi, HS

Edited because SE is retarded.

Edited, Thu Dec 15 15:25:44 2005 by jmakovec

Not Guivre? Why, I have been trained on so many times by people in Gustav when trying to exp on crabs, Having guivre trained is not fun, let alone the endless amount of people training other crabs. Guivre should be given draw in or should be applied to the same rules forcing him to return, that camp is hell for un-intentional MPK.

The AoE thing is annoying, but it cant be an exclusive fix. When a monster is being fought with more than 18 people, common for HNM, it would be far too unbalanced for those aiding outside the main alliance to be invicibile to AOE.

I say they need to put 3 or so GMs in each area in different spots that watch for whats going on.

This would make being a GM a bit more fun for those of you working at S.E. because now you can actually play a bit... and it also gives more use to your little "Judge" set thats supposedly GM-only gear.

Make it so monsters only go unclaimed if:
a. All people in the alliance who used ja ma or attack on the mosnter all die, leave the zone zone, or disconnect.
b. A new command like /unclaim is used by a member in the alliance to make the monster go unclaimed.

In other words, it should be difficult to lose the claim unless the alliance dies completely or gives up by leaving or using the /unclaim command.

Disengaging autoattack can cause the monster to go unclaimed and leads to mpk. But if you want to disengage on purpose in order to unclaim, the monster doesn't always unclaim. So, the /unclaim sort of command would be helpful.

Most of the suggestions here are great, so I won't repeat them.

I however, full endorse and support stricter punishment on MPKers, as a deterrent, in addition to MPK fixes.

Edited because SE is retarded.

Edited, Thu Dec 15 15:27:25 2005 by jmakovec

Suggestions:

1. People shouldn't be able to kill others using the Bind-trick,bound monsters shouldn't randomly attacking everyone in range.

2. AoE-dmg shouldn't affect non-involved players (curing an involved player should make him involved :P)

3. HNMs: At the big/camped HNMs (I'd say Behemoth/King Behemoth,Fafnir/Nidhogg,Adamantoise/Aspidochelone,Serket,Roc,Simurgh,King Artho,Lumber Jack,Capricous Cassie,Bune,Lord of Onzozo,...) should be a GM taking care the other Linkshells won't try to steal/mpk others.

4. HNMs: When a Linkshell claims a HNM,every member of that Linkshell in a certain area will be warped into a Battlefield where other Linkshells have no access to (but they can watch the fight as in Ghelsba Outpost) and every member with that Linkshell coming into the area will automatically warped into the battlefield.

My reason that I choosed this idea is that EQ2 and WoW is already doing the running fast to its own original location with full HP thing. Why I choosed to get this done is because if you fight NMs such as Simurgh for example, and if you see him runs back to his point, you can easily voke it. While if it despawns and respawns at a random location, it's a fair competition because it pops randomly again at that place. Therefore, it won't be an issue of who gets there first. ^^

Besides, the full health for mob is a fair thing because like one of the posters here said, the most annoying thing about MPK is that sometimes when you kill a NM/HNM/MOB you see that the other group who are a vulture just get to kill it so easily after you getting a wipe and doing all the hard work. Thefore, it's only fair if they do the work if they get to claim it again.

Good luck SE! Do something about it! You kinda' make me not want to play WoW so much anymore. :laugh:

In addition to the fine and reasonable points that many people have reiterated here,
I feel that working on the MPK problem necessitates the willingness to consider the problem within the broader context of why MPK happens in the first place.

Off the top of my head, the three most common reasons for MPK appear to be:

1) Pure spite (not much we can do about immature players who simply want to grief others)

2) "Revenge" (Players desiring to "get back" at someone else because of a percieved wrong; usualy a personal affront)

3) Competition for profit

Profit, in this instance, refers to any sort of potential gain, whether in the form of in-game items to enhance one's character, or in financial returns for those engaged in Real Money Trade.

I am inclined to beieve that point #3 here is at the root of a large proportion of MPK attempts.

In some cases, players working in Real Money Trade will aggressively hunt specific mobs for specific items, and go as far as to attempt MPK against other players who present competition.

In the same vein, the presence and tactics of RMT players has created an attitude among many other players of "an eye for an eye"; they have come to feel that it is perfectly justifiable to violate the ToS by practicing MPK against the RMT players, just because "everyone hates a gilseller".


I do not have specific solutions to suggest with regards to these problems;
my intent was to observe (as some previous posters have) that a truly comprehensive solution to the problem of MPK must necessarily consider and address the larger context of circumstances which lead to the practice in the first place.





Finally, I'd like to add my own sentiment of appreciation for your presence and apparent interest in player feedback in this way.
We have witnessed Square-Enix's response to player feedback in subtle ways, such as changes included in various past updates; but the player community has displayed an increasing lack of morale and faith in SE's willingness to listen and respond to its customers.

A sign such as your participation here is a step in the right direction, and should go a long way toward improving that community morale, and encouraging players to have greater faith in SE's intent to have an active interest in the opinions of the player base.

I would sugest that you dont make any drastic changes as this could affect gameplay. However here is my suggestion.

Suggestion - Limit the number of mobs that link when somone is zoning, so as there arent 30 some odd mobs at the zone to murder people as they zone in.

also i aggre with the binded mobs not attacking anyone but the one that binded it.

Suggestions for changing the MPK system: Delay how quickly a mob after becoming unclaimed can agro/link a new player.

Suggestions for changing the MPK system: Speed the mobs return to its origina location. (this would help especialy when paired with the first suggestion noted)

Suggestions for changing the MPK system: Binded/shadowbinded mobs not attacking players who just happen to be in the vicinity of that bound mob.

Suggestions for changing the MPK system: Changing the way a mob becomes unclaimed. Specificaly refuring to how a mob can go yellow durring a fight, which results in very unhappy ppl who in turn go and mpk in thier frustration.

Suggestions for changing the MPK system: Handling ppl who are seen to mpk more seriously. Finding these ppl who frequently mpk and removing them.

Suggestions for removing gilseller's: Make a cap to the amount of gil a player can send via the delivery system. This forces legitimate multi-million gil transactions to take place in person via Trade, effectively lowering disputes. [I don't see a downside to this idea at all, unless SE wants gilsellers]

Note: the cap on gil sent should not apply to transfurs from and to mules of a character.

all those suggestion are impressive, everyone seem to know a lot about the aggroing system, i still don't get why a mob somtimes don't get back when only one ppl in the pty zoned it >.>;
but i think of another way of fighting mpk than reshape the whole aggro/link system.
mpk won't be interesting if it doesn't affect ppl that were mpked.
usually when i die, and more if it's because of another player deeds, i m angry cause i loosed XP, and i got to respawn in jeuno usually, so by not loosing XP, mpk won't have much interest, and i think ppl will quit it after a short amount of time.
for NM and HNM, you could make the mob despawn when the player/party/alliance that claimed him dies, and respawn after a short amount of time (i m thinking of something like 30min/1hour)
don't know if those suggestion are interesting, anyway, i m glad if it can help =D.

P.S:(sry for my bad english in a serious post like that =/)