Suggestions for changing the MPK systemFollow

WOW! I am really excited that SE is finally open for suggestions and actually responding (that wasn't meant to be sarcastic). I agree with most suggestions in this thread. I do, however, have a few suggestions of my own regarding both MPKing and something else. I believe that if you make harsher punishment for MPKing someone, less people will do it. You should deduct exp points equal to the xp loss of whoever was killed by the MPK mob. one other suggestion. excuse me for going off the subject but I think that you should open more suggestion forums. For example: A suggestion forum on server economy would be a tremendous help to those who save 2.5mil only to find out that the emperor hairpin has gone up to 3.5mil. I can think of 5 suggestions that I would leave in that thread already! 1. Limit the amount of inflation that occurs. it's all about supply and demand. the fewer rare or HQ or high priced items for sale at the AH, the more they will cost. I'm not trying to be another pissed off guy who rants about the "economy" all the time. In fact, I could care less whether or not anything is done about it. It's just a suggestion.

woa. sorry for the spam... im on a crappy computer with crappy internet service and thought that my post didnt go through. my bad.

i like alot of the ideas already here posted so fight the Mpkin and also find away to stop gil selling and buyers!!!

Although I agree we can do more with the non-NM mobs to reduce MPK, I think it would be better to focus on why and where ppl MPK.

It is my understanding the problem comes from ppl getting mad because someone got the NM they wanted, or whatever. Here is my thought:

Solution: Like the change to the fishing system, you make the fight with any, and all NMs like an "event". Let me elaborate... some party (of gilsellers...j/k) claims a NM. The fight begins and the party/alliance is taking part of an event where any outside activity does not influence the fight. You can't see the npcs, mobs, or "outside" players.

So, now someone trains 50 wild rabbits (yes, I know, they don't link, or aggro) on top of the party, but the party fighting the NM would be uneffected.

Pros: No outside influences would reduce lag, stop MPK DURING fight, ensure NM remains claimed by current party/alliance/character. More "controlled" NM hunting.

Cons: No links to make the NM fight tougher on the party. This, in theory, would not stop MPK on standard party fights (is that a concern?).

1. When a Beastmaster is fighting a monster and has to swap pets the mob should NOT go unclaimed so quickly, it just leads to people dia claiming it and then the bst cannot fight back.

2. When calling a GM there should be different catagories which assistance can be requested. If specific GM's were assigned to deal with mpk, flaming etc. it would streamline the system and differentiate between the urgent GM calls and the less urgent ones.

3. To prevent unintentional MPK with beastmasters I would suggest a "Flagging" system where a bst can place an icon over a monster(this doesnt claim the monster or place any hate on the BST) to let others know that it is a Beastmasters pet. Through this system a GM would also be able to tell if people were intentionally killing ONLY the bsts pets which is a form of MPK in the bst community.

4. At zone lines a no-aggro area should be introduced where nothing can aggro you untill a person walks out of the area. After the person has moved out of the area or made an agressive move the aggro protection would dissapear untill the person rezones.

-Behaumut, Garuda

Hmmm nah, this was a dumb idea nevermind.

Edited, Thu Nov 3 17:22:09 2005 by Stunted

I dont think putting a GM at every spawn point of an HNM would help first off... it would let people know hey 'GM' is here its gonna pop soon bring everyone here and lets camp. second im not sure if its true or not but i heard people talkin about GMs being partners with RMTs. How would that help any if a GM lets RMT keep claim while we camp for nothing and GM watches to make sure RMTs arent harmed ><

Nw to make this game better get rid of RMT... put them on their own server they can lvl with themselves and get all the mobs they want. I'm sure SE can figure out the RMTs everyone on our server can spot them out. i've already got one kicked im ready to kick more if need be ^^

Also a big thing in my book is monopolizing i think its plain dumb... i would do it if i had the heart like others, but i dont. dont get me wrong its easy! but its jus retarded and unfair to people on the game.

Last make more things R/E that was soooo sweet from last update ^^

Suggestion: Make it so that nothing will aggro you for about 10 seconds after you zone. That way even if someone trains a ton of mobs to the zone line you won't get killed instantly with no warning as soon as you zone into the area. You have that 10 second leeway to see that there's a train and either run past it or zone back out.



That's a great idea. It'd be nice to see non-BSTs be able to take advantage of that feature.



Agreed. The should be a way to legally take screenshots of text and menus. It's hard to provide proof of anything if you can't show chat logs as evidence. (you should also take out that stupid 100 screenshots limit)

This is the one I think would be the best. It not only deals with MPK, it deals with another common issue which is trains at common zones like Selbina, Kazham, Qufim, etc.

Basically, I'd work it like this. Each Monster is assigned a patrol zone. I believe, in game, this already kinda exists. I usually don't see monster way away from their spawn point. While in this patrol zone, they will have all their normal behavior, which means aggro, linking, etc. However, once they leave that patrol zone, they no longer aggro or link (although monsters in their patrol zone can link with them). They will maintain any current aggro, just like they do now, and chase any character down right to the zone if necessary, but while not in their zone they won't be an aggro threat. They will still defend themselves if attacked however.

Alternately, perhaps a more simple implementation is to have any mob that has left it's patrol zone just despawn after a few seconds, and automatically respawn at their normal spawn point. This has a slight side effect that it will disable the ability of people to do the zone-kill exploit, which frankly is fine by me.


Another MPK issue is the 'grab claim, but leave hate on the other guys' MPK. This one is an issue with King Behemoth, and anything else that is commonly kited or can kill it's targets quickly causing possible claim loss. Now to address this one, I think there are 2 general approaches: deal with the claim loss, or deal with the hate.

Claim loss to me is weird. You can have 18 people doing various things to a monster, but because it just killed the tank, claim inexplicably is lost. Since this is most obvious with kited monsters I'm assuming it's due to the claim system being a bit limited and not keeping track well of multiple claims, and instead is tracking just a couple, and if those people die it drops the claim. Making this further complicated are that in kite battles most people are not using auto attack, and instead or using spells/ranged attacks.

Ideally fixing claim loss would be the real solution. Making it better able to track multiple claims would probably be best. Another possibility is to enable a sort of /autoclaim on, which while on, as long as your party/alliance has claim, you also are considered to have claim should claim be about to be lost.

The other end is the hate. Although it's a lesser issue thanks now to the /blockaid, with a claim loss you can get it to be an issue. I think this one was an early design thought to discourage outside people from tossing cures around to Power Level others. They would have to worry about the monster turning on them and hitting them instead. However, in the end it didn't solve that problem, it actually ended up being a bit of a Power Level aid as a Power level could deliberately grab hate and act as a tank since they're far higher level. However, it did act as intended in some battles as outside healing parties are often used in high end HNM battles, and naturally in these circumstances it makes sense that the outside healer should get hate.

I think the solution here is that point of claim transfer. When claim is changed from one party to another who are not allied, previous hate is just lost, or greatly reduced perhaps to it's minimal level. If they continue to do supporting actions like heal, they will accululate new hate just like they did before. The problem with this is it can be exploited to potentially allow two parties, not allied but working together, to bounce claim, and thus hate, back and forth. This is why I feel dealing with the actual claim loss is a better option.

As for AoE's, I would say AoE's can only effect those people with at least some minimal amount of hate, or that are in the target's party/alliance.

This succeded in doing nothing, VE and Lizzy are still crowded because they both have such an attrotiously low drop rate, and tons of people need them, not to mention the price on both items has sky rocketed because obtaining the non r/ex version is harder, thus forcing MORE people to camp the NM. I know that I acctually gave up playing my samurai for a long time because I cant afford to drop the 15 some mil that I'd have to drop now since the update to get 2 snpiers, leapers, hairpin and Haubergeon.

create an item that warp the mob to his spawn point, make it cheap and stackable by 99, fun, fun, fun =D

btw, you re a cute mandy =D

Edited, Thu Nov 3 17:38:41 2005 by celphina

Suggestion: Coders for FFXI should play WoW for a short while.
This is what they will see:
1> Monsters will give up the chase when they are X distance from their aggro point.
2> Once they give up, they move 3x speed back to their starting points.
3> Once they reach their starting point, they are immediately raised to full health.
4> Monsters will not aggro until they get back to their starting point.
5> Monsters will not aggro other players while they are engaged on other players.

What I have seen in FFXI:

One day, Person A decides to train to zone 25 crawlers in Crawler's Nest. Along with numerous MPK, this person is making exp for all players impossible. He does this four at least 2 hours. Of the 30 players waiting outside Crawler's Nest and killed inside, all of them call a GM. 2 hours of GM calls results in: NOTHING happens to the player.

Agreed, there should be some method for GM's to share information. Once, when the Cats group of gilsellers trained Guivre on my party, I called a GM. The GM had no idea who the Cats were. The most natorious MPK gillsellers on Phoenix server, and the GM did not know who they were - when almost half of all players on the server knew who they were?