Skill up Parties: Why and How (need your coffer key?)Follow

So it isn't like RDMs can use Ceremonial Dagger on Steelshells anymore to skill up? (Sleep, spam 0 damage method) Meh...(I capped mine, but others aren't so lucky now I guess).

Regarding the whole bit about how you want to do as little damage as possible to skillup during these key acquisitions. Bear in mind it is not only skill ups and keys people are after all the time.

You may end up inviting somebody who wants to level their NPC. Sometimes I go to Castle Oztroja top floor to level my NPC. While I'm typically alone up there, there is sometimes people after keys that will invite me so I stop killing mobs on my own with the possibility of getting a RARE/EX item I don't really need.

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You may end up inviting somebody that is there to clear their trials latent weapon or activate their KS BCNM latent weapon. (or both this and the NPC, I myself am actually in both boats right now).

So just want to point out that not everybody will be able to do as little damage as they can.




Heh, times are different now I think. Back then, getting coffer keys was a preplanned LS event. Now it's just like, "/l hi, any level 70+ here want to go help me get a coffer key? please? ^^" At which point I usually go "Oh, ok."

Yes, times are different indeed :\

Everytime I lot a seal, people yell at me. "OMFG YOU N00bZ DON"T LOT TEH SEALZ!11!!1li][/li] Why do you think that is? Oh, maybe because if theres 6 ppl in your pt and only 2 of them lot you just wiped out the odds of the other 4pt members chance of getting the drop. Alot of ppl spend there time doing theyre jobs,wether its a skill up or exp pt...and arent only concentrating on the drops..unlike YOU apparently... I would kick you from a pt so fast your Sushi(assuming that you actually buy or craft food)would go bad... PLAY FAIR ppl

Although a bit rude, evilmagik does have a point. And while I would't be shouting "omfg you noob" to someone who lots on a simple seal, I would probably try to politely nudge them away from doing so simply because it really truly is a bit pointless to lot on things such as seals.

The distribution system is random. The point was made that lotting prevents 1 person from getting all the loot.. well, no it doesn't actually. In fact, lotting could go to creating a very lopsided distribution of loot far worse then the auto-drop system. With auto-drop everyone has a shot.

With lotting, you are taking away the possibility of some of the rest of the party getting that seal. Perhaps they forgot to lot. Perhaps they didn't even see it in a flood of linkshell chat or something of the like (my husband plays on the PS2 and this happens *very* easily on the chat screen of the PS2 version where text gets pushed off the screen quite quickly given the resolution and the inability to change that resolution). Perhaps they are just too busy trying to get poison or other status affects off of the whole party. Perhaps they turned around for two seconds to eat something since, as was mentioned, skillup parties aren't nearly as strict as experience parties and most people are fairly laid back (although just to note I am not saying people should be afk every 5 minutes in a skillup party, I'm just saying that people are often not as uptight in skillup parties as they are in experience parties, and may be doing another little thing while in a skillup party)

Either way, I think lotting on every single item in a skillup party is very poor ettiquette. And although I wouldn't kick you from my party as evil would, I would certainly be trying to talk to you to insist you would drop this particular behavior if you were in my skillup party.

I do agree with evil in that skillup parties are not concentrating on drops (edit: aside from the people trying to get keys or scrolls or such, I mean. I'm talking about all the rest of the drops), thus I think lotting on things like seals should certainly be eliminated, or better yet not even considered in the first place.

I have yet to be in a skillup party with people who lotted on things such as seals, by the way. That was a shock to me to read that in your guide. It just struck me as a bit absurd.

Edited, Sat Feb 11 21:08:55 2006 by karmakina

Edited, Sat Feb 11 21:11:27 2006 by karmakina

because casting random lots is so much more one-sided than watching random drops?

a few thoughts



its my personal opinion that skillchains are only neccisary if someone is working on breaking a latent effect. otherwise you are just killing the mob faster and in many camps, you may run out of mobs this way (Castle V comes to mind)


Also, if you are the leader of a skill-up party, you should put up some sort of comment to let people know that you are a skill-up party, and if you are accepting more members. When i look for a skill party the first thing i do is search an area to see if theres one there, sometimes its obvious (a bunch of higher levels, etc) but then again they could be there for a completely different reason.