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#127 Mar 13 2006 at 6:17 PM Rating: Default
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But if you reread the logs, he doesn't say you used a third party program to claim. He says he was monitoring at the spawn time and detected you using third party programs.

At no time does he say you claimed anything. He says that at the time of claim, you were running third party software. He does not even explain which software he is mentioning.
yeah, because Windower can claim NMs and is detectable by SE.

please know what the **** you're talking about before you try to trash it, I'm ******* tired of **** posts like these. know what Windower does? puts FFXI in a window. OMFG HAX
#128 Mar 13 2006 at 6:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'll agree there. Even if he had been breaking the rules, in both the chat logs and this thread, he has been very civil and polite.

Even when questioned about using third party programs, he replied in a controlled, mature manner.

There is no reason to start insulting him.


Agreed...


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No, he really doesn't. Being an arrogant @#%^tard is not an excuse to widdle an apology out of someone. Unless you can make me apologize, I won't. Get an admin on here to tell me otherwise. Until then, shut your mouth.


Your the only one being an arrogant @#%^tard here, so please move along...

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I see, telling people who disagreed with him, who were just as civil to him as he was here to "Please apologize below" is not arrogance.

You people ***** about stupidity, and then act stupid yourselves. Rate me down all you want, and then apologize below.


I apologize (to the OP) that you are acting like a 12 year old, and can't understand the OP has the RIGHT to complain in this situation, and has the RIGHT to complain about you being a @#%^tard calling him a liar.

I apologize to you that I had to put it in such terms that an immature idiot (like yourself) can understand.
#129 Mar 13 2006 at 6:24 PM Rating: Excellent
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The lack of mercy on this thread is appauling...
Good job to you, For showing that GM he's no super human just because he has powers on the game, and No one, not a gm, not anyone, should behave like that.
#130 Mar 13 2006 at 6:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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The lack of mercy on this thread is appauling...
Good job to you, For showing that GM he's no super human just because he has powers on the game, and No one, not a gm, not anyone, should behave like that.


I 2nd that. Pretty stupid to treat the players who are giving your *** a cush job like they are under you. I wish i could visit Japan seriously, from what I hear the businesses there are extremely thankful for your business and act as such. We could learn from them, but we don't. (we being people that applies to)

* ^^^ rate up for joo

Edited, Mon Mar 13 18:30:50 2006 by ImmT
#131 Mar 13 2006 at 6:29 PM Rating: Good
I 3RD that
#132 Mar 13 2006 at 6:29 PM Rating: Good
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This situation is now closed.

Mr. Fonseca has contacted me twice today and he's the most polite guy with the hardest job. Much Respect to him.


The situation was reviewed and Mr. Fonseca and the lead GM were shocked by what they had seen. My account is currently having the suspension removed and any negative notes that this corrupt GM left are being removed.

Not all GM's are bad however like Mr. Fonseca said this GM is being delt with and he is sorry that I was caused any problems by him.

I appreciate the time and effort everything that contributed great information and hope you guys confront these situations in a positive way and say professional. Nothing can frustrate someone more when you maintain such an attitude.



good to hear =)
#133 Mar 13 2006 at 6:43 PM Rating: Good
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If SE is able to detect windower or FFAssist, then he had the OP dead to rights.


He wasn't even running windower at the time. Windower itself doesn't do anything that constitutes cheating to any sane person. With all the **** people get away with, you're talking down to someone like they're a child rapist, because they want to be able to minimize FFXI? Shut down your computer and take a walk.
#134 Mar 13 2006 at 7:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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All the above posts are appreciated. Be it flames or very useful comments. The whole point of me making this so public was not to seek any type of compassion, but to show that this is an issue that many players are dealing with now a days.

I've stated this in the above and I'll continue to stand by it. FFXI players are a community of unique individuals. Yes we have our loons like any community has ( and I might fall into that -.- ^^) and we have friends and acquaintances. When events like this occur if you have something to contribute then share. We should share experiences that may help another avoid or maybe ratify a situation that is unjust.

I do apologize for the inappropriate joke in the above.

"Apologize Below" that was sorta a joke but seemed to backfire. it was a play off the GM's apology ..

I do appreciate any positive feedback and also the negative. At least you've given the time to share your feelings be it bad or good.

This threads purpose is still some what valid but I'm sure it has reached its end. I hope you all enjoy the game and enjoy the community you're so greatly apart of!

*~*~*

P.S.

I did talk with the OPM from SE the last time about 3rd party programs.. I included Vana Guard, Windower, and Fraps when speaking with him and I'm hoping in the end he'll consider these approved software. From what I understand they have no real concept of these programs in the least.. Windowers somewhat and aren't too concerned with their focus is on the malicous programs like NM claiming and Speed Hacks...

I just wish they would put something more public on what is approved.

anywho, thanks again for all the positive feedback and community support.. I hope my situation can aid someone else in the future.
#135 Mar 13 2006 at 7:18 PM Rating: Good
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Doubted the story before, but this looks like conclusive evidence.

I'm glad your problem got cleared up.


#136 Mar 13 2006 at 7:51 PM Rating: Good
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Taodyn wrote:
But if you reread the logs, he doesn't say you used a third party program to claim. He says he was monitoring at the spawn time and detected you using third party programs.


/sigh >< You didn't bother to read through everything did you?

Yopoompo wrote:
Funny thing was.. today.. I had to replace some things on my PC so I was playing pure POL.exe .. no windower for miles..


So he wasn't even running windower, The GM suspended him just because he was an Asshat, he had no proof of any illegal programs. And your making arguements by reading 1/2 of a thread.
#137 Mar 13 2006 at 7:58 PM Rating: Good
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I read the whole thread, but my posts were, I'll admit, rather harsh. One of my (many) faults is that I tend to play devil's advocate in any situation.

I could, however, have been more polite and more clear in my posts. I was trying to point out that he was guilty of using 3rd party software (though not necessarily during the event in question) and that he posted pics of it.

Rereading my posts, I can definitely see how they could be taken as attacking the OP. I pmed him an apology and explained the situation, and he accepted it.

Let's just accept that my posts were in poor taste and move on, shall we? This is about the OP and the way he was mistreated. Let's focus on the matter at hand and not my stupidity.

Edit: I edited my previous posts to sound less like a jerk.

Edited, Mon Mar 13 20:10:15 2006 by Taodyn
#138 Mar 13 2006 at 8:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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/em pokes Taodyn with a stick for being a jerk...oh wait, Tao's already apologized *several* times now for post tone? -.- Damn, ur no fun! Smiley: grin

But yeah, leaving all the Smiley: deadhorse stuff behind, congrats to Yopoompo for finally getting closure on this whole ordeal, and on *hopefully* making the game a slightly safer place to play. This has been a fascinating, if somewhat appauling thread to follow since I picked it up last night, and I'm glad that it has reached a close on a positive note. Smiley: smile
#139 Mar 13 2006 at 8:54 PM Rating: Decent
Edited because the poster in question seems to have had a change of heart. He orrigionally acted like a tard, and I acted like a tard back. Yes, it was stupid to do, but I was kinda pissed in the first place.

Edited, Tue Mar 14 16:39:29 2006 by Onionsoilder
#140 Mar 13 2006 at 9:08 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm glad that Yopoompo got the matter settled. I really hope that bad GM gets what is coming to him for what he did. I joined FFXI after leaving a game that was run by a powertripping admin, so I can relate strongly to what Yop went through.

I have to say I give Yopoompo credit for being gracious toward those who doubted as those who believed the story outright. I thank him for that. I went through something similar, and I'll admit, I was no where near as forgiving.
#141 Mar 13 2006 at 9:16 PM Rating: Decent
If people find a way that letting you view allakhazam or talk to buddies of yours out of Vana'diel on things like AiM or MsN more power to them. As far as a GM saying "OMFG YOU HAVE 3rd party programs!!1!" He needs to be fired. I read the post yesterday but wanted to see if the guy got out fine before I posted. All I can say is some of you need to grow up and {Congratulations} you got your account back under control. ^^

Oh yeah before I get flamed like ZOMFG th1s n00b uses windower!!! I play Ps2 with 3 desktops in my room and a laptop.


EDIT: stupid grammar typo

Edited, Mon Mar 13 21:18:09 2006 by Slaskan
#142 Mar 13 2006 at 9:17 PM Rating: Decent
Edited because the poster in question seems to have a change of heart.

Edited, Tue Mar 14 16:37:03 2006 by Onionsoilder
#143 Mar 13 2006 at 9:22 PM Rating: Decent
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And you yourself have less posts than the OP(17), and a overall post rateing IDENTICAL to the effect on one "Excellent" rateing...

You also need at least 16 posts to get a "Scholar" Rateing...

Hmm... I'm sorry, but to me this just screams "Ratepuppet" that acedentally posted on his sock, not his main.

As such, I don't believe one smige of what you say.


I merely stated that I had my doubts, and shared my opinion on what the poster said that gave me those doubts. It was an opinion, I did not once say that I was right and that everyone should agree with me.

As far as being a ratepuppet goes, well maybe I just have a low post count because I'm usually playing the game instead of making a 100+ posts daily on the forums. Take a page from Yopoompo's book and learn to leave well enough alone. Geez. -_-
#144 Mar 13 2006 at 9:47 PM Rating: Excellent
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We all spend so much time clutching our belongings and glaring at one another that quite a few of us won't even believe a story like this could ever be true. No one trusts anyone anymore. I guess we can't.

Unfortunate, but a reality, I guess.

I believed the story, but expected to be burned. I can't say I blame anyone who didn't believe it from the getgo. We are all trained to NOT trust things, especially in online circumstances.

Still... silently disbelieving and insulting are two different things.

Congratulations on getting it all worked out. I read it all as it was happening and was hoping you would see it through instead of letting it go. Also, good job on at least remaining somewhat cool. In your position, I can not guarantee I would be quite as patient with that GM. In that specific case, he would have been a rapid burn to my short fuse.

So, congratulations. I hope whatever punishment comes down at least makes Thunderan a little more decent. Even if they have to send someone to watch him 24/7. Still, to him, you will probably always be that "cheating punk kid who screwed up my job." Given his personality, I highly doubt it would be a realization that starts him on a pure inner journey to discover what is really 'good' and 'decent' in this world. :D



Edited, Mon Mar 13 21:49:27 2006 by AmanoJ
#145 Mar 13 2006 at 10:07 PM Rating: Excellent
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Still, to him, you will probably always be that "cheating punk kid who screwed up my job." Given his personality, I highly doubt it would be a realization that starts him on a pure inner journey to discover what is really 'good' and 'decent' in this world. :D


Smiley: laughSmiley: laughSmiley: laugh
I think that's a pretty safe bet right there.
#146REDACTED, Posted: Mar 14 2006 at 2:13 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I'd ban your lame, cookie-cutter *** for saying "nuffin"...
#147 Mar 14 2006 at 3:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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The OP isn't a sock, it was me that rated him up. I expected him to get flamed and trolled down so I thought I was doing premptive correction. Somehow he posted a thread saying a Gm was bad and didn't get beaten with the rate down stick. WHich almost restores my faith in the section of humanity that postes at all. Almost.

I had my doubts also, but this sort of thing is nigh impossable to prove either way, and I've had my own bad experiances.

My very 1st call to POL customer support, they told me they didn't have to talk to me. I demanded a superviser. The supervisor said "I don't have to talk to you, get lost, untill you paying a monthly fee your not my problem". My problem, was the game was telling me that my freshly unseald package contained a used key. The game was shrinkapped and came directtly form walmart to my house, no way was that key used.

I wound up calling SE directy, discovering the guys on the phone were SoE, and being told to call the POL 800 number and ask for a manager. Spent 25 minutes explaining that I had. The SE guy on the phone told me he would talk to his boss and email me in the morning. The next afternoon (email timestamp showed it arrived in my inbox at 2pm) I recieved an email from a POL address telling me to call the POL 800 number and ask for a superviser m(_ _)m

I reply, explain I have done this. 1 hour later a reply back, saying do it again say the reason is customer service issues. I do. I get hung up on. I email back. I get no reply for 4 days. I go to wallmart and go through all the BS about we don't take returns ater its open blah blah blah, fail to convince them it must be defective I want to exchange, wind up buying it again this time from best buy. This key also fails. I call the SE guy again, explain everything thus far. Get put on hold for a bit (less than 5 min, yay). I get told they can't do anything about the key, take it back to best buy. ><

I take it back to best buy, they agree to exchange this key works. I call POl again. NOW I'M A F*ING CUSTOMER. I get the same guy, and make it a 3 way call with the SE guy without telling him. I get sworn at. POL guy gets canned a week later, I get email apologies. Lots of them. Still out the cost of the wallmart game.
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#148 Mar 14 2006 at 3:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Yopoompo wrote:
This situation is now closed.


Edited, Mon Mar 13 16:04:18 2006 by Yopoompo


Auntmac wrote:
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Yopoompo wrote:
Funny thing was.. today.. I had to replace some things on my PC so I was playing pure POL.exe .. no windower for miles..


Viellaphoenix wrote:
Hey Auntmac...where did you see this stated exactly? Looked thru Yopoompo's posts and can't find it anywhere. You wouldn't be trying to start something would ya? If you're gonna quote something atleast have the decency to quote something that is really there.


It was stated in the OP which was EDITED after i posted, and was copy/pasted into quotes. All i was saying based on the facts that i had at the moment that I wasn't sure whether this was really the way the OP had stated it or skewed in his favor. Now that he has been vindicated (and rightly so) I hope this over zealous GM will get in some sort trouble and no other innocent player will have to go through the same thing Yopoompo did.
#149 Mar 14 2006 at 4:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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Congrats on getting your situation sorted out i read the whole deal and i'd have been alot less..... diplomatic let's say lol. Also nice to see Erawyn stick her foot in her mouth again then act like a complete idiot when she's called on it.
#150 Mar 14 2006 at 8:18 AM Rating: Decent
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I just read this thread & now i am very afraid lol. I also never use 3rd party programmes or cheat in anyway maybe because i dont have the knowledge or maybe because cheating is wrong. Im kinda a newish player. Do SE make a habit of suspending people for nothing. Now even if i do see someone violation Terms&Conditons i am gonna be afraid to call a GM. Even if the player did cheat(which I am 110% sure he didnt) the way he/she was spoke to is outrageous a GM should be a lot more understanding & should definitely NEVER have spoke the way he/she did.
#151 Mar 14 2006 at 8:33 AM Rating: Decent
Why don't GMs cast shadows?
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