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If Vajra enhances Sneak Attack and has "Occasionally attacks twice" then Mandau/Vajra will be horribly, horribly broken.

Edited, Jul 27th 2008 12:21am by Lobivopis

Dyna relics get "occasionally do 2-3x dmg" and huge +stat bonus's which balances it out some, new WS could also be weakish which would make using them over other stuff in order to get aftermath a tradeoff. But then again these weapons were also supposed to be much easier to obtain than dyna relics -_-


all jobs get a nyz relic, but SE didn't release info on every nyz relic

Edited, Jul 27th 2008 1:14am by shintasama

hmmmm, I'm inclined to believe them. When SE writes "latent:___" everything following the "latent:" is part of the latent (see: Wootz Amood). Changing the duration of aftermath/strength of WS would be a easy way to adjust the weapon's power.

Boy, cool your jets people. I did upload the stats pic, I just forgot to post it. I was late to leave the hotel and missed it. :P See the OP for it now.

Also, each PS was assigned a weapon by Square Enix, so we are not allowed to disclose information about another site's weapon.

It's with the aftermath. The idea that it's on the last line no matter is flawed Partly because there has never been a weapon that does attack occasionally with an affect that isn't part of said affect. Examples of weapons that do attack occasionally with the latents met: Virtue weapons and maybe if you really want to waste gil, the Amood series of axes. [/quote]

Very true, was just stating that "Occasionally Attacks..." always comes as the last line. In most cases, SE tends to be the "Defining" stat of the item on the last line before which jobs can equip.

Either that, or just transfers 1-to-1 enough HP to fill your MP, and then reduces the recast proportionately (i.e. if you were at very low MP, it'll still be 10 minutes; if you were at 50% MP, it'll be 5 minutes or so; and so on).

Maybe you won't lose any HP when you Convert, and it will just "copy" your HP into your MP bar?

So you've either got a weapon that's a convert macro,

Or, if the boosted MAgic Acc/Att is mroe than an ele staff, a weapon where you'll have to melee, then spam your magic whilst Aftermath is up.

Awesome? Eh

What, giving WHM some spells that can't be subbed and are spell equivalents of Madrigal/Minuet (we already have our equivalents of March and Minne - Haste and Protect) wouldn't help WHM invites?

Then again, if those showed up and were halfway decent, good luck getting a WHM to show up for a party.

I'm terribly sorry if this has been asked before, but a question arose between myself and a friend earlier. Supposedly there is a "rumor" that you need to get the weapon from floor 100 of Nyzul Isle to obtain the weapon skill, that you just don't need to upgrade it. However, as I said, this is just a rumor. It does have me slightly worried however. I do hope these involve some sort of quest, be it hard and long, I don't mind. I just personally hope it's something more exciting than getting the weapon drop from floor 100 of Nyzul Isle. This is all just rumors and speculation on my part, however, it is food for thought.

Edited, Jul 27th 2008 2:13am by EndlessJourney

Yes, this would make sense. I really hope it is the case.

The question remains though, if we can get these weapon skills without the weapons themself, what is the benefit of obtaining the actual completed relics? Perhaps they are what give the added or bonus effects? Or perhaps some hidden effects like the Dynamis Relic Weapons?

Also, didn't SE at one time say something about either the weapon skills or weapons themself only realizing their full power in the past or something to that nature? Perhaps it has something to do with learning the weapon skills in the past, or only being able to use them without the relics in the past? I'm honestly not sure, just going off of random thoughts in my head as to what this could mean.

Edited, Jul 27th 2008 2:20am by EndlessJourney

The weaponskills are basically straight damage effects (at least, for the ones we've been told more than a smattering of info about). However, they add a status effect to the user, "Aftermath".

The completed relics react to this status effect by enhancing a couple of stats and giving an "Occasionally attacks twice" effect (at least, the ones we've seen so far do). In addition, they give a bonus to a JA or group of related JAs whether or not you've done the WS.

On the minus side, I halfway expect Lycopodiums to aggro to Aftermath, considering how they apparently have a presently-disabled TP move that adversely affects TP (if memory serves, that is)...