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You mean to tell me people don't invite THFs to exp parties for their treasure hunter and their hate control abilities?

I sub smn when I play whm in Campaign. I pull out carby or ramuh and use their AoE buffs to get me and as many as 15 other people with buffs for 100 mp or so. You're clearly trying to find examples to support that whm doesn't stand a chance in Campaign. No easy way to say this, if you are seriously casting Protect IV to get the 'buffing other players' exp, you're simply doing Campaign wrong.



After the buffing round, there is not alot of MP left for this, but supposing you did debuff mobs, paralyze is about the lowest debuff a whm can get, and you have to find a different target each time, or wait until it wears, as "no effect" grants 0 xp. You also need to ensure that there are no other mages casting those spells on the mobs you have chosen, or there we have, wasted MP. [/quote]

I just use Flash. Works well enough and sometimes even gets me hate, so I get to take some dmg too, which in turn gets me a fair amount of exp until the local sam or pld can get it back.

You never thought of using Flash?




Over half the mp pool is fine when you are wearing nobles, have sigil refresh, smn sub, and any other ways of getting mp back there may be (refresh from pt member, spirit taker, etc.) You don't need to dump 675 mp all at once, I usually do a Cure V after the mob leaves me alone to get back the hp I lost while tanking occasionally.



I don't even use my club in Campaign. I capped it solo in the Boyahda Tree against crabs, tried club, tried dual wield club, but found using a thunder staff worked better for Campaign. 10% increase on crits means more base exp from those too, plus as I mentioned before, spirit taker works wonders on getting mp back. Pay attention, and you can even use spirit taker to close a skill chain for another 20 or so exp at a time.

While I don't get as much exp on whm as I might on my pup or blm, it's close, and I still seem to beat most everyone in the zone other than the bard bots just from seeing what works and what doesn't, and being flexible enough to change the way I play whm in order to maximize my time in Campaign.

Is this before or after the dagger update? Before or after they changed the multi hit WSes? Before or after people stopped finishing SCs with SATA WS? Before or after Hasso?

I'm sure THF still does good damage, it just doesn't do the best damage, which is the only type of damage that counts these days.

I thought THF had piercing bonus on those famous colibri though. But yea, all camps do not have colibri. (Though my party with me as COR and a relic THF in it cleared up mamool ja staging point pretty well. Not sure if relic dagger is such a huge jump from normal end game daggers though)

I've yet to see any math that supports what you're saying, anywhere. They reduced it twice, once which made it better than before but not "OMG broken!" then they reduced it again, down to it's original state. There was an extensive thread about it over on BG and the formula is more or less exactly the same now as it was before the buff happened. Hell, I can look at my damage and tell that before I even seen any math on it. It's obviously back to square one, or so close to square one that the whole buff was pointless.

And I have no idea what you mean "2x attack bonus". All the WSs they boosted do slightly more damage than before, but nothing spectacular. I'm a career DRK, been playing the game around 5 years and I don't see a significant difference now compared to before the "2 handed buff". I even parse exactly the same now, as I did before the buff....and during the buff I parsed obviously higher.

Lastly, being that SE has spend the last year or so buffing SAM it makes no sense to look at that job and say "see, the 2-handed buff is in effect"....no, the SAM buff is in effect. The reason they're doing more WS damage is probably because of Overwhelm.

Fred.

Stonaga worked.
Try cast Stona with seal to NPC who is petirfied.
http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd343/timimtim/ffxi_20080807_014202.png

Edited, Aug 7th 2008 1:51am by timmyofalex

I see..and a rate down for posting fact? lol
still trying for other spell, no luck at all.
anyway, "Verifcation needed" is added to wiki to prevent further misleading.

Tried CureV,Cure IV and haste. no effect.
(CureIV as Sch dont have CureV)

anyone tried -aga spell with seal?
it MAY work differently from Sch's Acession.

-Curaga dont worked either... anyway just a try.


Edited, Aug 7th 2008 2:08am by timmyofalex

Edited, Aug 7th 2008 2:11am by timmyofalex

actually I was tring to prove it NOT work.
but in order to prove something NOT exist, you have to elimnate EVERY chance.
and thanks for the aprecation, for rating the tester down while leeching for the result.

Edited, Aug 7th 2008 2:07am by timmyofalex

I am really confused with this statment, even if SErep confused Divine Veil with Devine Seal, it would NOT yeild and "get extremely high amount of heal" compare to sch's total amount... since a DS CureV only cure 5%hp of GenralNPC? >.<


Any extra verification definatly help.
If it is verified carfully there would not have such statment in wiki and leading the above discussion.

Edited, Aug 7th 2008 2:21am by timmyofalex

my WHM was only around 60.. and I cured like 1450 or something,
however, to Campaign Genral, thats barly move their hp bar...

I whined about that solely because it shown how people looked at your work,
though not important, at least it deserved some respect.

It was my 1st impression too, however, compare to Campagin's HP scale,
"then you get extremely high amount of heal" seems illogical.

Edited, Aug 7th 2008 2:37am by timmyofalex

No offense, but where are you pulling this info from? You're severely misinformed.

I was killing HNMs before, during, and after the supposed buff. The only time I seen a significant difference, was during the buff. Now? No, not at all....not in EXP, and not on any HNM or mob with high DEF. Unless you have almost every buff in the game on you, a 2 hander is going to be doing fairly sh*tty damage against HNMs....this was true before the buff, and it's true now. Don't believe me? Check the BG board's "Media" section for pics of damage. Every pic on HNM has the melee buffed to the gills.

For the sake of argument, let's say the buff is still in effect for high DEF things like HNM....it's not, but let's say it is. The average 2 hander isn't fighting HNMs 24/7, so how is that helpful? Hell, I'd go as far as to say the average 2 hander isn't even in a HNMLS. It's not as if most HNMLSs are actively seeking out DRKs, DRGs or even SAMs.

Fred.