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So if the extra goodies that are awarded to those who "contribute" well to the battle work like campaign or something, are the people who kite just completely SOL on that? Would be kind of lame.
Not a fan of this event so far, myself. But, maybe it will get better later.

any of the lesser ones charmable? If sleep many forms of crowd control aren't working, kiting only method... maybe there is a slot of bst crowd control.

I posted up our experience on my blog.

I really like the potential of this event. I think a few things need to be figured out, like what links to what and differing strategies for each fight but that's half the fun :) So far, much better than I was expecting.

Abyssea is actually soloable in a way. You can go in on your own and fight. There were things that were only DC, EM and T to my 75. Would be even easier at 80. While not as fast as a party, you can still kill them and earn the zone's currency to work on purchasing the equipment entirely by yourself.

WoE, however, is clearly not a solo activity. You can go in there solo, but beyond that, the only thing you can do in there by yourself is die. :P

Ballista abandoned? Tell that to Lakshmi. Even before the server merger, it was a popular event.

Just did a 31 person pick up group on Phoenix through Shouts in Whitegates and the past cities. It was...okay. We wiped once and did way better the second time, but no win. Waiting for round 2.

When checking charm, use gauge. It will say whether it is extremely difficult or impossible. Remember to have CHR set on when you do. It gauges differently just from current CHR comparison.

Edited, Jun 24th 2010 12:57am by Xilk

Unless ES is needed to land it.

Do they all share hate? Why not have rdm or someone with movement speed+ and an AoE spell kite them while other pick them off?

Been retired for a while, so forgive me for not being privy on the new content.

In my own defense, sleepga was cast first and resisted, so I tried ES SleepgaII afterwards. My point was more to illustrate that crowd control wasn't going to happen dynamis-style, rather than give you a step-by-step on effective crowd control.

To clarify - in situations where sleep will work as a means of crowd control, please use sleepga 1 or horde lullaby first, then wait until that timer is about to expire, then layer sleepga2 on top of those mobs, because it does indeed stack, giving you (assuming no half-resists) the obvious advantage of mobs not even waking up before they're 're-slept'.

Of course that won't work in WoE, so don't do that here ;-)



They don't all share hate. They seem to link in groups, and killing certain ones, causes others to aggro, including the 'boss'. Which links to which and what causes the boss to come down and stomp everything is something we'll probably have to learn through experimenting and documenting as we go through.

We tried to kite adds last night. It sorta worked, but when the boss showed hate got strange. I think the boss was doing it's own hate reset, and that was causing the babies hate to change. It's all still chaotic, and someone will probably come on and be able to explain this better.

Basically dragging one to a corner and straight-tanking seemed most effective. The mobs cast AoEs and have some movement speed (crabs more than antlions) and hate does go kinda wonky so running them around is ineffective, there's not enough space (at least on the first floor) to run them without nailing everyone with AoEs from those mobs. The damage isn't even that bad, but stripping the shadows off people trying to kill the boss is bad.

edit: adding a bit about our experiences last night.

Edited, Jun 24th 2010 9:52am by fmagnet

How hard to the smaller ones hit for roughly and how damaging is their AoE? Just wondering if you could get small groups (1-3) of "good" solo jobs to take out adds while a main alli takes out the biggie. Getting jobs like drg/mage, blu, melee rdm, thf, etc to take out the adds. But with some of these jobs it all depends on how hard they hit especially their AoE (drg/blu can take some hits but if AoE is bad it will kill wyvern too fast), or how high their defense is (thf may have a hard time pumping out enough damage to kill in the required time). These are some questions that need to be answered so we can start coming up with some stratagies.

A lot of what I have heard is that a lot come and then everyone gets raped...not great info guys if you want people to help come up with a way to do this well. Please start saying how much you are getting hit for on a per hit basis, how fast they attack, what job you were on, how damaging their AoE can be (damaging as in debuffs, straight damage taken, or both), and how resistant they are to all debuffs (sounds like sleep doesnt work, but what about elegy/slow, blind, para, etc). Then we can more accurately start creating some strategies to work on.

I've done a couple runs with my LS so far, and am not a fan of the system.

There is too much strategy needed for it to be an open event that just anyone can enter, IMO. We successfully won the blob run and the crab run, but it is such a pain in the *** when you have a random straggler who decides they want to go play with the mobs you're not fighting and get everyone killed.

Piggybacking off of the above point, the system for getting drops/opening chests based on your performance is really annoying. I understand why you would want such a system in place when it's an open event, but quite frankly it blows that when your strategy involves sac pulling to get the boss mobs, the puller generally doesn't end up "doing enough" to be able to get rewards. It also seems like the top-tier participant is the only one to get the title, which is also *********

Anyway, it would be better if it was instanced, with public and private instances available. Let groups pay for an item like an hourglass/lamp/etc., and enter the zone without having to worry about other people, but also have public instances the way it currently is.