Job Adjustments (12/03/2010)Follow

It does not matter how you multiply haste or dual wield, the resulting number will always be the same. Basically what i'm saying even if Haste was calculated before dual wield it would still provide the same number anyway.

Unless you basically said that and I got whooshed.

EDIT:

Dual wield is less effective than haste is, because there is so much more haste available in the game. I recall doing the math for a friend before. 40% dual wield and 67% haste (Haste samba, double march, haste spell, 22% haste gear), would juuuuuuust cap attack speed. So 40% dual wield is actually only providing a 13% delay reduction. (Assuming 500 delay for easy purposes, 67% haste and 40% dual wield would make 99/500, which would barely be capped attack speed)

Of course, the less haste you have the more useful dual wield is. But the higher haste you have the less useful it is.

Edited, Dec 3rd 2010 10:30am by Zafire

Edited, Dec 3rd 2010 10:32am by Zafire

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I give up, I've apparently forgotten how to math.

Kine said it before I could post. DW doesn't "reduce" haste's effectiveness unless your packing some serious buffs and even then I believe the 20% delay floor would favor haste for TP gain.

Jinte it should of been obvious that I was talking about 2H melee because I put Hasso in there. JA haste caps @25% but currently only DRK's can cap it while everyone else must use Hasso or Haste Samba. My entire point was that DNC main could provide a significant boost their party over /DNC just by how stacking works. The idea is to put (RDM/WHM/SCH) + BRD + DNC + (ZOMG /SAM melees) in a party and have them unleash hell on anything / everything with the DNC + healer keeping them alive. In that situation no amount of melee/DNC, not even a Soboro SAM/DNC, will let those melee's do what they can do with a DNC.

Oi.../facepalm...

The way sublimation works is that it converts HP into stored MP, with a 1:1 ration of HP to MP converted. The limit is 25% of the character's unweighted max HP. Thus, if the character using sublimation has 1000 HP (just using round numbers for easy explanation), then sublimation cap will be 250 HP, which converts to 250 MP. Sublimation works normally at 2 HP/tick, not taking into account for things like Stoneskin or Regen. The 2 HP/tick will continue until the cap is reached, or if HP falls below 25% of current max HP. So, if the character falls below 250 HP, Sublimation immediately stops working on the next tick.

Equipment that enhances Sublimation only speed up the process, so that instead of getting 2 HP/tick drain, there is a 3 HP/tick, or 4 HP/tick. However, that's the only difference, as the ratio is still 1:1, and the cap is still 25% base max HP.

What this update does is change the ratio, so that it is no longer 1:1, but 1:2 or 1:3. Meaning, that if the same 1000 HP character were level 55 and using Sublimation, the amount of HP lost would still be 250, but the amount of MP restored would be 500 MP. At level 85, the same 1000 HP Sublimation would restore 875 MP, but at the cost of 250 HP.

(Sidenote: Yes, I know it's unrealistic to have a level 85 character to have exactly 1000 HP, nor at level 55. I'm just using 1000 as a base for easy showing of mathematics.)

Seriously, though, sublimation isn't THAT complicated. It's just basic arithmetic, not calculus.

I think I remember reading you saying that you only recently abyssea PT'd your blu up (weren't you the one who posted on the blu forums about having to catch up all your spells at once because of that?), so you probably wouldn't be aware... but... Of all the spells we have, you're somewhat right that only so many are REALLY useful. Still, since the level cap was raised, we have received some pretty awesome spells. This last batch of phyiscal spells and stuff was pretty outstanding. Also things like Battery Charge and Animating Wail...
This is a good time to be a blue mage, and it IS worth getting excited over new spells. They've been doing very well with them so far, and most of us career blus have been eagerly awaiting the updates to see how the rest unfolds.

Spells are a very big deal, there's a lot of ways for them to be awesome. Beyond just effect, there is set point cost, mp cost, cast time, recast time, granted stats, and granted traits. One spell could completely change the job. The hard hitting physical spells from this last update drew a lot of people (maybe even yourself) to the job when they hadn't played it before, or had retired it. There are a lot of blue mages around these days.

SE has been doing a lot to shake up how we play the jobs, and blu is getting it's fair share.
We are also getting some new options through subs this update, like everyone else. Curing waltz 3 and dual wield 3 are pretty sweet, as well as stuff like stoneskin and blink when /sch.

I would have liked to see another new ability like Efflux last time (perhaps for magical spells), but I certainly won't complain. Blu is far from being ignored. We just get all our goodies on patch day when people uncover the specifics of the spells and start finding new job trait combos.

As far as I can tell, Sublimation works purely on a max HP basis. Meaning, that it stops once it hits 25% of max HP, or if the current HP drops below 25% max HP. That's how it's been described, and there's no evidence of the contrary.

And if I think about it, it makes no sense to have sublimation to stop at MP equal to 25% of max HP. Isn't the point of sublimation to have a store of MP ready for in cases of emergency?

Any evidence to the contrary notwithstanding, I am going to conclude that Sublimation works purely on a max HP basis, and that it stops when the amount of HP lost to sublimation hits 25% of base max HP.



Sublimation merits add in an extra 10 HP drain for every merit. In other words, a SCH with 1000 HP and 5/5 Sublimation merits would lose 300 HP instead of 250 HP. With this change, at level 85, a SCH with 1000 HP and 5/5 sublimation merits would gain 1050 MP as opposed to the 875 MP without merits.

Even scarier thought it look at the trend. Starting at level 35, it goes up .5 every ten levels. This means that at level 95, the next level cap, the HP:MP ratio will be at 1:4. This means that sublimation will give the full HP value into MP, but without the sudden drop to 1 HP!

Edited, Dec 3rd 2010 12:13pm by Keylin

there's no way to tell right now, because either way would give the same result. Sublimation finishes once the JA hits max HP drain/MP return, which are identical currently, or if the player's HP drops below 50% of max HP, ignoring HP boosts like cruor buffs.

not to mention this update buffing /sch with blink, aquaveil, stoneskin, and enhanced sublimation

Pot, kettle, Sora?

I think thf's TH3 triat and all the bst stuff belonged in the first post about new things not job adjustments of old but anyways still very nice espically pet food eta.



Cor seems to be getting crazy love with triple shot those merit pt rolls and some new every shot card? now we know why though theyre pulling another no aoe haste move.

lastly 85 schs just got +5 refresh lol.(knowing se refresh II spell will still overwrite it)

I'm sorry. My hoovercraft is full of Summoners. As soon as I claim a thread, they just flood out and cover the whole place. Slippery suckers, those Summoners.

My pet ate a Eta.

(I realize it should be "ate an Eta", but then it doesn't sound as funny.)