[dev1009] New Trigger Conditions for Notorious MonstersFollow

So your complaint is that they won't give you a 100% chance to pop the HQ version, got it. Seems an unreasonable expectation to me. Perhaps, if the drops are low enough, they will consider either upping that percentage or doing what others have suggested in making some kind of conversion system for seals.

No, it makes sense that HQ wouldn't be 100%. That isn't my complaint. I'm saying that at first we were led to believe that the NQs would have 100% drop rate on 1+ HQ pops. I merely posted to say that the original dev post was updated to say that that will apparently NOT be the case.

My complaint is that despite all these changes they're doing, they're not really convincing me that this will ease the process of going after a Black Belt. The fact that they had to go back and reword one of their statements in a "oh, uh, this part of it won't be as simple as we originally said; sorry!" fashion isn't encouraging.

OK sorry, but removing the BB items from NQ versions? That's *********

Really, this is a bad way to fix this at this point in the game SE.

1) With a 6% drop rate, 90 minute average camp, and 50% claim rate you are looking at 50 hours for your adaman egg. That is, of course, assuming it always pops when you aren't at work or sleeping.

2) Buying a KS99 orb off someone that doesn't need/want black belt will be waaaay easier than buying a BB item when the only other people camping are other monks (because there is no other reason to camp faf/turtle/nqbehemoth).

3) You now get 2 chances per KS cycle to get the items, once in the fight and once on the HQ.

4) The new JSE belt that may or may not come to pass may very well have Black Belt as a prereq requirement ala Brown Belt.

Even if it is harder, the fact that this seems to indicate they recognize the King popping system was dumb and won't be used in the future is enough to make me quite happy.

Since they only specified the NQ kings, I see no reason to believe the BB items were taken out of the KSNM versions. In fact, in light of this change, it somewhat makes sense to remove them from the NQ's. Since you already got a shot from the KSNM version, you don't get another shot from the NQ that you're guaranteed at least one of (note that the BB items are the only shared loot of importance between the 2, outside of the normal mob family bits)

Probably because I'm rather amazed that people would expect to get 100% drops of the HQ pop items, but I guess that's just me.

I think for all the trouble you have to go through ahead of time, and the fact that none of the gear, abjurations, or BB items are even close to 100% drop rate then it'd be fine for the HQ pops to be 100%.

No, I simply think that the while the plan is ok, I would have liked to have seen an ANNM style fight where everyone needs the KI to participate and the KI can only be obtained once every three days to prevent congestion.

Edited, Apr 20th 2011 10:16am by ImmortalAlchemist

See, the thing is, this is a 3-step process. I'm not complaining that step B isn't 100%. I'm complaining that both step B AND C aren't. For something based off of Kindred's Seals in step A, having two chances to get screwed is starting to get bad. Ever flip two coins at a time and try to get heads on both? Now imagine you have to do a KSNM every time you want to flip. Now, worse, imagine it's two dice instead of coins and you have to roll "snake eyes." I'm just saying this could be bad, is all. And maybe it won't be... but, I'm just not expecting SE to deliver here. It's going to be BETTER, sure, but if it's as bad as I think it will be, then it's just a different kind of bad... I mean, stab me instead of shoot me... fine, but I'm still dying over here.



Oh, see, I'm assuming they're taking the BB items out of the KSNMs. And it's true, that haven't said they will... so you could very well be right. If so, a huge portion of my complaint is removed. Still, I haven't done a KSNM in ages. Are they capped at 75?

IF they've removed the BB items from the KSNM, then we just have to hope the HQ pop item and BB item drop rates aren't horrible. Those 6 or so people would get 6 NQ pops... and maybe only 2-3 HQ pops... and then maybe 1 BB item... maybe? For 15 "fights" that's pretty bad.

But yeah, I'm hoping you're right about it. Hell, I don't even have Monk. So I'm not QQ about all this or anything. I just don't see a light at the end of this particular tunnel... which apparently is rate-down worthy... but, maybe it's no longer appropriate to voice concerns over possible issues with new features? Eh, whatever. I just hope my couple of friends with Monk can finally get their items after this. That's the only thing that truly matters at the end of the day.

Edited, Apr 20th 2011 11:01am by shanecf

This feels oddly familiar... A few years ago when kings were the be-all-end-all, wasn't this exact suggestion made by someone at BG? They even made pretty pictures spelling it all out and gave it to the devs at one of the big interviews. From what I recall, pretty much the entire community was supportive of it.

So if my memory is serving me correctly, what has changed to make public opinion frown so much on this update? Is it the scarcity of KS now with everyone living in Abyssea? Is it the <100% drop rate?

Edited, Apr 20th 2011 12:19pm by Prim

Well, I called this last week and got sub-defaulted for it:


For the people discussing the Black Belt replacement, it was mentioned by one of the community reps over on the official forums. I don`t care enough to dig out a link but it certainly was said that they planned to supersede Black Belt.

Nothing has changed. It's simply a combination of the following two factors:
1. Nothing in this world will please 100% of the people 100% of the time.
2. People like to complain.

If someone thinks the process to obtain BB items is too hard, they'll complain. If someone else thinks the process is too easy, they'll complain it cheapens the item/accomplishment. There is no single solution that everyone will agree is exactly the right difficulty.

I wonder too if the KS requirement here indicates a direction change for them when the level caps are raised again to 95 and 99? Perhaps something non-Abyssea related?