[dev1009] New Trigger Conditions for Notorious MonstersFollow

maybe your memory a little foggy of how the forum devolved from: "I bet black mage will be getting an update next." To "Black mage really needs an update so they can participate in parties."(Totally with people until this started happening) To "Black mages Deserve an update. {insert epic tale of how black mages had it so hard at the time}" to finally "Square promised black mages an update at fan fest. Where the hell that update square. Why the hell did you go back on your promises. blah blah blah blah."

I can't tell you how many times I fought with people who started spouting this for a long time. I may not be good at a whole lot but one thing I do have is a fantastic video game memory. The only time square said they were gonna give anything to black mage was at the start of wotg when they promised them retrace. The only time square mentioned black mage was when they said they were thinking about making skill chains give better damage bonuses to magic bursts and the chains themselves. This was listed under their specific ideas in mind for black mage. They had no job changes in mind for the job only mechanic changes to the game. Which at the time was what was needed to get them back into exp parties.

This went on roughly a year when most of the forum rallied behind the blms until people just got tired of talking about it. After that only the hardcore blackmages would bring it up. Until abyssea came out of course.




Yeah... This is basicly how I read this topic.

Player base: Events outside of abyssea are dieing. We like you to revive them! Give us a point to do them square.

HNM are stupid. 1 a day timer on nq 3-5 on hq. Only one group can claim them at a time. Can you do something about that?

Devs: Hmm...

....

Few months later.

Devs: Hey guys we figure out how to kill a few birds with one stone. We will make it so those hnms that are over camped are now pop nms. And that the nq pop item comes from their respective KSNM while the hqs pop item is guarantee to drop at least once from the nq. The only drop rate we are gonna nerf is BB.

PB: But what about kindred seals they rarely drop in abyssea.

Devs: Well now along with the exp update you will also have that incentive to exp and do things outside of abyssea.

Player base explodes.


And really. If they made it stupid easy to pop these hnms people be in here ******** about how hard they had to work for their hecatomb hat and SE defeating that effort.

Edited, Apr 21st 2011 7:41am by Laxedrane

I agree. As I said, if the item drops in the KSNM still, my point is largely invalid. But I don't think the item will be kept in the KSNM. They're clearly adjusting the drops to incorporate new things... so we don't know if they'll touch it or not.

Why is it so taboo to discuss possible negatives of what the update could mean? Is a forum not a place to have discourse?

My opinion on the matter is that if the drop rate is 50% or less, and if the KSNMs no longer drops the items, this doesn't sound like a pretty good idea... instead it sounds like a pretty bad idea.

I don't think there's anything wrong with discussing possible f!@#-ups that SE could pull. It's not like we're those lame people sitting around making posts like: "I figured out how to fix GENERIC PROBLEM in FFXI. I have written this 10 step guide to implementing this new system to fix GENERIC PROBLEM. Please read because I am so awesome." No, we're simply discussing how this system might just suck. You could paint this as an optimist/pessimist discussion if you wish. I prefer the term realist.

Again, yes, you're right, we're discussing facts we don't even have. Do you really want me to go across this forum and find every post you've ever made that theorizes or predicts the future and post "OMG YOU SUCK YOU DON'T KNOW THIS WILL HAPPEN SO STOP TALKING" like some sort of forum ****? It's childish.

Edited, Apr 21st 2011 9:54am by shanecf

With regards to the BB people complaining because of lack of Kindred Seals, there are scads of people who store Seals who had no use for them. Now there WILL be a use for them. Just find someone who wants a D.Ring or E. Body or Dalmatica. Or perhaps there are people who don't want any of those items but would still want to contribute Seals to the BB cause. There are definitely options here.

Edited, Apr 21st 2011 11:01am by Poltergeist27

Again....
There is nothing wrong with discussing what could possibly happen
But the player base (as has been pointed out in many places in this thread and others) - is very eager to jump to some massive conclusions (No drops from KSNM's and less than 50% drop rate of BB Items) without any basis in fact. Then they go off on a tangent and once again, the sky is falling.

We've entered into an era that most players dreamed about, but never thought we'd see. SE is being open and clear with the player base. They're letting us know what they're doing, what their plans are, and more than that, they're listening to what the player base wants.
More causal content: Done
Easier leveling: Done
Now, Ground Kings that don't take your whole life: Done
EVERY TIME, the player base has acted like SE is messing up the game, when it's exactly what they've been asking for.
I'm not saying don't discuss. What I'm saying is: Stop acting like SE is the big bad. Stop jumping to wild conclusions with no basis in fact.

And please: if you want to try and go through all what, 250 of my posts, looking for a prediction or of me jumping to conclusions - go for it. I'm rather curious to see if you find one.

I'm not sure how this is a bad idea. Even if they take the drop out of the KSNM and lower the drop rate from the HQ HNM, you are still looking at a better situation than camping said HNM for weeks on end, hoping to get lucky enough to get claim. A good friend of mine is a mnk and he lost weeks of sleep camping Faf/Nid to get his BB item. The spawn times are so ridiculous. I helped camp one night, because it happened to be a weekend and the window opened at 1am. I personally would prefer to burn thru seals, knowing I can pop the NQ and the HQ whenever it was convenient for me.

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Ok, fair enough.

We don't know enough at this point. The drop rate could be lowered to insane points (IE the classic 3% drop rate... or less, Okotes I'm looking at you) OR you are the unluckiest person in the game, or a combination of both, you could, possibly, spend the rest of your life trying to round out the last item for your BB. I will concide that point.

Still, it does seem like it will be better. Especially if you have friends willing to help.

All that's meaning is if for some reason your group wipes to it, if the mob remains idle at the ??? spot for a minute and a half without anyone taking action on it, it'll despawn. It's no different than other force popped NMs, since they'll also despawn if left unclaimed for X amount of time. There isn't a single force spawned NM that pops unclaimed, so there's no reason for them to change that for these new ones.

I only leveled MNK recently, as I suppose many others have due to Abyssea. I never had a reason to care about BB until a couple months ago, so your whole "8 years" argument is rather invalid.

So people who only started playing recently... they should have gotten their black belt 8 years ago?

don't need hnmls to make gil on this now, just farm up 99 seals and /sh to sell your orb for X million gil and i bet you get a buyer