September 20, 2011 Version Update DetailsFollow

In before complaints that Ronfaure/Gusta/Saruta OPs obtained the old-fashioned way are now somehow devalued.

Limiting the availability of scrolls through BCNMs with less than stellar drop rates and forcing a majority of players to shell out the gil for them on the AH is precisely the type of mindset that lead to the gil seller days of old.

I'd have no problem with the scrolls coming from BC type events if the drop rate was commensurate with the time spent gathering the necessary seals, and I'll admit I don't have any specific knowledge of the drop rate for the new scrolls, but if the past is any indication, we're probably looking at a <30% drop rate at the most.

Also, consider the fact that when killing an NM in abyssea, it's almost impossible to get completely shafted on drops. Someone (and often multiple people) will get a drop every time. It's not uncommon for a BC-type fight to result in nothing but ****** NPCable items that nobody wants, resulting in a complete waste of 30, 50, or however many seals you've spent. The BC-style loot pool configuration has always been retarded and I absolutely detest the idea of going back to it, especially for what most will consider job-defining scrolls.

All I've fought after update is turtles and worms in gustav tunnel, and we got no scrolls there after about 50~ kills of both mobs with max TH.

Not a big sample but I'd say no to those dropping any.

Incorrectly assumes the people doing these runs already have more money than they can spend, which begs the question of why they would need to do a BCNM run.

Regarding ordinary folks/casual LS types, I think you might underestimate yourself. Most of the BC's last patch could be lowmanned with 3 or so people. I imagine once the strategies are figured out, the new BC's might be amenable to the same.

EDIT: In point of fact, they seem to be. http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/107055-New-KCNM-Fights?p=4799762&viewfull=1#post4799762





Edited, Sep 20th 2011 4:59pm by Poltergeist27

Maybe they are, maybe they aren't but given that my LS has about 4-8 people on at any regular time, often out of those at least 2 are not at (90) cap... and, you know, people are busy... nevermind that I don't even have 99 HKC...

It is just a bummer for newer players that they restrict these scrolls so much. Honestly, even if just a couple of them were restricted it would be more tolerable - but this is just a slap in the face to mages.

And don't tell me it isn't the well geared, well heeled players that are going to be the ones mainly doing these BCNMs until they've spent all their seals and are ready to divulge their strategies for doing them.

Meanwhile most of the server's mages won't have a shot to play with their new spells. Lame.

Edited, Sep 20th 2011 3:24pm by Olorinus

Considering who is running the show in FFXI now, this isn't much of a surprise. Personally, I never liked BCNM/KSNM because of certain job bias that floats around, and it is a bit annoying to see them try to encourage more of this rather than more stuff attainable in the open world. Not to mention there's other ways to move the economy, and spell scrolls are not it.

Are certain scrolls only available from one of those events? Or does every scroll have multiple events that they drop from?

Hmm...good to know whenever I get my account out of mothballs. My BLM will be (as it was to 75, 80, and then 90 [missed the 85 cap due to financial reasons]) my first job to 95 and I definitely would like to know where to get the new spells without having to put up my Mog House for three mortgages, sell my kids, and put up my soul on the AH....

These are the weighed doors we're talking about, yeah?

Not yet. Another page or two, if that....and poof, instant RDM debate.

*sprinkles holy water around to ward off RDM debate*

Eh I thought there were spawns by the Chamber of Oracles, regardless I have to fight Maat at the chamber anyway so it's the same (workin on Maat's Cap).

Tanaka is back in charge of FFXI now and Abyssea easy mode is over.

Edited, Sep 25th 2011 2:50am by Lobivopis

After he bowed out as producer from FFXIV. I didn't get the feeling of dread until I saw that letter signed by him on the official forums. But yeah, he's back in charge. =/