The February Version Update Has Arrived! (02/13/2012)Follow

They sure put a lot of effort into content that the vast majority of us are specifically never intended to be able to do.

They ninja'd the new macro bar. Darkened it a whole bunch so you can actually read the f*cking thing.

SCH received a slight direct buff with the reduction in the charge cost for Group 2 Strategems.

Here's a serious question: how often would you need to be able to cast a Regen line spell on an alliance member not in your party? Do you find yourself in alliances where they don't put at least one WHM/RDM/SCH (i.e. someone who can cast Regen) in each party? This may be a fairly common set up in VW. I honestly don't know.

I'm busting out a new avatar in celebration!

Damn. I was looking forward to that. No point in putting together an alliance if you gotta make em wait for 40 mins between runs.

Having done 4 runs of the new Nyzul Isle i can say... what a waste of time.
They could not have ****** up any harder than they have with this, randomized floors... really? It's so obvious they are just dragging things out to make up for a lack of any real content, nothing is different at all.. same mobs, same objectives, hell even the same freaking "Family" floors.
The randomized floor system serves no purpose other than to just **** people the **** off and to keep them going at it longer to keep people paying the sub fee.

Really had with Tanaka's ********* I'm deactivating my account just before my next billing date.
This game is going nowhere, keep slogging away at this if you want but you're wasting so much time that's better spent elsewhere.

What i mean by "randomized" is that you've got no control over what floor you end up on unless you climb at a snail's pace 1 floor at a time and get absolutely nowhere.
There's no saving progress (YES, PROGRESS THAT YOU CAN SEE!) on your disc and starting on whatever floor you might want to, you cannot plan to farm x4 NM floors... nope, throw the dice and hope for the best!! There is a very good chance you'll walk away with absolutely no boss floors at all if the "Random Floor #" decides to troll you.
This isn't even going into how they've changed absolutely nothing in terms of actual content inside the ruins, it's the same ******* thing, this time with a pointless floor transfer system that removes any visible sign of progress!

This is the new Nyzul, have fun!

Know what's really sad?
SE could have used the exact same system as the original Nyzul Isle Investigation with few different objectives and added trials for the gear that required large amounts of exp inside the event much like Dynamis.
Time sink + PROGRESSION + people being able fill groups with people looking for exp so that they can work on their own PROGRESSION.
It took me 15 seconds to think of that and this @#%^ing useless development "team" took 9 months to come up with some convoluted luck/cheating based bullsh*t that is frankly insulting.

Seriously, **** this ****.

Edited, Feb 13th 2012 7:19pm by Tatham

So just how many layers of random did they wrap into NIUR? Random advancement of floors, random objectives, random bosses, random drops, random appraisals...

the floor ??? option is probably the only thing that makes it interesting. It gives you the ability to bypass several floors at once, if you're lucky. When I did it, solo I got to do like, 1 -> 3 -> 7 -> lamps -> time out, and in a group we got 1 -> 2 -> 5 -> 8 -> 13 -> 14 -> time out

Hmmm. It does say a random floor, but it doesn't say a random higher floor. They wouldn't be that cruel would they?

Chewzer, I'm going to respectfully disagree with you here. You're a corsair so you should understand what I'm about to say. This event is a gigantic game of phantom roll and double up..... no really it is. The only floors that reward you with gear are floors 20, 40, 60, 80, and 100. Only in this scenario there is no "lucky" number on a lower floor. Statistics and probability are at the very core of this event's progression. By advancing a random number of floors between 2-9 each time then choosing to increment your progress by 1 you are doing the old double up --> double up --> double up --> snake eyes --> snake eyes --> snake eyes to the target.

Statistically speaking 2-9 averages to 5.5 each time you choose the option ((2 + 9) /2) == 5.5 . Floor 80 is going to take on average 14 or so ??? increments to attain. The real killer is that as soon as you overshoot a floor that's it, you're screwed....BUST!!! I could exemplify this trend with about a thousand different examples, but it's easier to just explain the statistical breakdown. You are a corsair by trade so I'm sure you understand the probability of double up. That's exactly what s-e has created, only the lower floors are junk. The good gear only really starts to creep in at level 60. In my opinion level 60 is somewhat realistic, level 80 is damn near impossible, and 100 is going to require the luck of the gods. The 30 minute time limit just does not allow enough leeyway for this type of double up --> snake eyes game when you're dealing with convulted restrictions like lamps and kill all floor after kill all floor (its not so much killing thats hard as it is the random floor layout... some random maps are fu*kin HUUUUGE!!!). With all due respect, I don't think your assumptions on floor 80's potential are accurate. It's pure statistics, simply do the math.

Edited, Feb 13th 2012 8:02pm by Melphina

I respectively respect your disagreement!

Perhaps my assumption of semi-regular 80 floors was a bit optimistic. I also feel that even implementing boss drops on floors ~60 was completely pointless. I was just stating my initial outlook from doing 2 runs. It's going to take luck and skill to get to 80 and beyond, but I don't feel that it will be impossible.

I also tend to have an almost-unhealthy open and/or overly-optimistic view about things like this.

We're gathering to do a few more runs with some very good players literally as I type this. Perhaps my perception will change; I've certainly done 180's on stuff like this before.

Your detailed comparison to Corsair abilities is awesome, btw.

Edit: incredibly embarrassing misuse of "you're"... >.<

Edited, Feb 13th 2012 7:18pm by Chewzer