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#777 May 05 2006 at 6:03 PM Rating: Good
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Repost of what I posted here:

Shady Business: Brock Pierce, IGE, and RPG Holdings



Regardless of where you stand on the issue, you should know a thing or two about Brock Pierce, CEO of RPG Holdings, Inc. (the company that has purchased Allakhazam), and founder of IGE. Why, pray tell, does a former child actor start a company in Hong Kong? Why does it matter? Well, having an idea of this executive's past affiliations and present-day aggresive acquisitions paints an ugly picture of the company and its founder, who now hold Allakhazam.

If you haven't yet read this article, you should do so:

The Truth about IGE

Among many other tales of IGE's dubious cutthroat history, Brock Pierce's relationship with Collins-Rector, who was arrested on charges of molesting a minor, is brought to light. Although Pierce wasn't directly implicated in these acts, he and fellow DEN co-founder Chad Shackley went into hiding along with Collins-Rector. They also were accused of software piracy and copyright infringement:
"zdnet.com" wrote:
The software company Macromedia alleges that DEN helped make ends meet by illegally pirating its software. In fact, even though DEN raised a total of $65 million over the course of its existence, the bankruptcy papers list as potential assets a number of planned lawsuits against former executives (including Shackley and Pierce) on grounds that they were illegally using copyrighted material.

This article was printed while the trio was still missing:
The Last Pixel Show
"zdnet.com" wrote:
As their former lawyer points out, Marc Collins-Rector, Chad Shackley, and Brock Pierce have vanished. Like old-time grifters who drifted from town to town on the railroad, they have simply packed up their sample cases and gone away. Rumors circulating in L.A. have placed them in France, in Mexico, in Malaysia.


Later on, they were found in Spain:
"vnunet.com" wrote:
DEN co-founders Marc Collins-Rector, Chad Shackley and Brock Pierce were arrested in June on an international warrant after being indicted in New Jersey on five counts of transporting a minor across state lines for the purpose of engaging in sexual acts.

From the following article: Dotcom founders still in Spanish jail
The New York Post still had a similar, albeit brief online article found here.

Provided, Brock Pierce himself was not found guilty of those charges, he was found hiding out with Collins-Rector in Marbella, Spain in the wake of allegations over Collins-Rector's child molestation charges. Aside from his ties to Collins-Rector, Pierce's involvement in the crooked company DEN and his law-dodging history should be enough padding for the founder of a company as notorious as IGE.

"Azzor.com" wrote:
So Brock was management in a company that fleeced millions, happened to be in Spain where Collins-Rector was also, and then moved the company to HK right after he got arrested? Interesting bit of coincidences.


Soon after, Pierce picked up and moved shop to Hong Kong, which is where IGE was founded. They started by hiring several score Chinese laborers to work 24/7, acquiring virtual wares, and steadily growing their business. After vicious competition, IGE joined with MySuperSales, another infamous and hated RMT site. They later managed to remove Yantis, the founder of MySuperSales. Pierce founded RPG Holdings. RPG Holdings owns IGE, OGamingstore, MySuperSales, Thottbot, and now Allakhazam with the acquisition of Zam.com. Thus, Allakhazam is a new limb of Pierce's MMO-sales/fansite juggernaut.

RPG Holdings is now going to be making money whenever you visit any of the Zam.com affiliates. They didn't buy out this site without the intention of any or all of the following: making more money, crushing an opponent, or gaining more influence. A majority of RPG Holdings' assets come from RMT sites, and they actively seek to buy out any competition to maintain their dominance over the market.

With the purchase of Allakhazam and Zam.com, the RMT business has become that much stronger, and will continue to grow stronger. The only people who could delight in such news are their RMTing customers. For the honest players, this is another defeat, another sign of RMT's influence over our gaming experience. For the Allakhazam faithfuls who vehemently oppose RMT, this is a stab in the back. That's the cause of the outrage here.

The most upright, anti-RMT community is now under the umbrella of RMT's most powerful sponsor. The deal's been made. Pierce owns Allakhazam. Fin.
#778 May 05 2006 at 6:04 PM Rating: Decent
the problem is this:


even if you keep adds and **** off allkhazam.

IGE will probably have allakhazam adds..... bringing a ********* of ********* here.
#779 May 05 2006 at 6:40 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
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Also the other thing that i find is pretty funny is at least 50% of you people crying and being a baby about the fact that Alla has been bought by the Parent company of IGE.
Is that you are the gil/gold/plat buyers keeping them in business.
And you pulled this number from which *******?


Just an observation. Back in the day when Czae and I got into a few debates on the EQ forums, on *several* occasions I commented that he had obtained his starting account and a fair amount of seed cash by purchasing them. I based my assumptions on my observations of his comments alone (about his accounts and characters). While I obviously can't state as a fact that Czae purchased plat and gear, the fact that out of the half dozen or so heated threads in which I accussed him of doing so he never once denied it would seem to indicate that he did.

Sure. He didn't buy stuff from IGE. But then IGE didn't exist back then yet. Does that make him hypocritical today? I think it does. If he was starting out as a new player today, he'd likely do the same things he did back then, which would be to buy some gear and cash to give him a leg up in the game. Where do you think he'd go? Yup. IGE.

Sure. It's one anecdotal observation, but I think the observation is valid. There are a lot of players who've been playing their various games for a long time and who are very opposed to IGE today, but who did in fact purchase stuff years ago to get their own start going. In fact I *know* that a very large percentage of old time EQ players did. The fact that they maybe didn't buy from IGE doesn't change anything. They're condemning a choice by players that they themselves made when they were in the same situation. That's hypocrisy.
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#780 May 05 2006 at 6:41 PM Rating: Decent
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GeoleVyi wrote:

Where did Allakazham the moderator (not to be confused with the forums) go, why is this link from in the ffxi main forum's Zam.com Q&A no longer stickied, and why is he suddenly censoring posts because people with post counts of 200 and less say to?

Why not answer the questions which have been spread over the 8 pages he obviously have had time and opportunity to read if he had to go back through them and rate himself back up? There's some damn good questions back in there that keep getting asked but not answered, despite the fact that this is a Q&A thread which was started for the sole purpose of answering those questions...

Why am I suddenly reminded of when the SE employee came and started up a Q&A thread on MPK'ing and wasn't seen after the second page even though it went to something like 20 pages?


Still wondering this. Maybe Alla and Ahkore will make a joint statement sometime soon. Not holding my breath...

Edited, Fri May 5 19:42:04 2006 by SEforPrez
#781 May 05 2006 at 6:52 PM Rating: Decent
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Q 1: What are your plans for the mass of unhappy customers and forums goers?

Q 2: How confident are you that you will not be pushed aside so that the company you sold to can go on with their agenda?
#782 May 05 2006 at 7:04 PM Rating: Decent
good reads

http://www.1up.com/do/feature?cId=3141815

https://everquest.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=10&mid=1104180287614253648#1105147045239225713

http://www.nickyee.com/daedalus/archives/001493.php?page=1

http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/entertainment/columnists/dennis_mccauley/14018209.htm


and i got a pretty good laugh from these

http://goldfarmer.ytmnd.com/ (that music is fecking hilarious)

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Edited, Fri May 5 20:55:45 2006 by ininomis

Edited, Fri May 5 21:01:17 2006 by ininomis
#783 May 05 2006 at 7:24 PM Rating: Decent
I don't think that Alla is 'allowed' to make a reply.

Anything he says in regards to all of this will likely have to be carefully crafted then approved by his bosses because this is now a topic divulging business information.

It's much the same way that Bliz moderators don't say anything because they can't. Not saying anything at all is bad, saying things and making promises that can't be kept is worse. We're now shooting the messenger, even if the messenger was the one who started the mess in the first place.

And I've had an account here for a while. Since Kunark.. but I've never had the inclination to post until now.
#784 May 05 2006 at 7:34 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
Sure. It's one anecdotal observation, but I think the observation is valid.
"The plural of anecdote is not data"

Having a story about someone is a far, far cry from declaring that 50% of the people who've complained have purchased gold/plat/etc
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#785 May 05 2006 at 7:48 PM Rating: Decent
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If you are skipping to the back of this thread and posting questions and waiting for an answer, I suggest you instead go back to the first four or five pages and scan down for the blinking eyes and read the responses there. I haven't seen any new questions posted in the last 10 pages that are not covered already by my previous responses. I don't see any reason to keep posting the same thing over and over again.

Nonetheless, I will reiterate somewhat. The sky is not falling. IGE is not taking over Allakhazam. There will be no connection whatsoever between IGE and Zam.com. The two networks are run by different management teams and will have no interaction in any way. We will be running the site in the same way we always have, including banning all RMT ads and promotions. The only thing that is changing is that we will have far more resources to develop better features, add more staff and keep things even more up to date. Trust me. This is a good thing for everyone. Give us some time to show you what we can do with this and I think you will ultimately be amazed and happy.
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#786 May 05 2006 at 7:58 PM Rating: Good
If IGE has nothing to do with Allakhazam now, why did you feel the need, or think it would not cause controversy, to even mention IGE?

~Blix
#787 May 05 2006 at 7:58 PM Rating: Decent
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Just an observation. Back in the day when Czae and I got into a few debates on the EQ forums, on *several* occasions I commented that he had obtained his starting account and a fair amount of seed cash by purchasing them. I based my assumptions on my observations of his comments alone (about his accounts and characters). While I obviously can't state as a fact that Czae purchased plat and gear, the fact that out of the half dozen or so heated threads in which I accussed him of doing so he never once denied it would seem to indicate that he did.

Sure. He didn't buy stuff from IGE. But then IGE didn't exist back then yet. Does that make him hypocritical today? I think it does. If he was starting out as a new player today, he'd likely do the same things he did back then, which would be to buy some gear and cash to give him a leg up in the game. Where do you think he'd go? Yup. IGE.

Sure. It's one anecdotal observation, but I think the observation is valid. There are a lot of players who've been playing their various games for a long time and who are very opposed to IGE today, but who did in fact purchase stuff years ago to get their own start going. In fact I *know* that a very large percentage of old time EQ players did. The fact that they maybe didn't buy from IGE doesn't change anything. They're condemning a choice by players that they themselves made when they were in the same situation. That's hypocrisy.

I think I've admitted it somewhere or other previously. Although I really haven't bought much plat ever, I have bought characters, just because I find leveling to seventy and a few hundred aas when I want a bot for something pretty petrifyingly boring. I leveled up more than once, and just don't see the point of it anymore. I've also paid tuition via selling plat before.

But I don't object to this based off of IGE's line of business exactly. Although I do think sites like Alla's should stay clearly separate from RMt sites, I wouldn't object to this at all if, say, IRNewb (another plat-seller, for those unfamiliar,) bought out alla.

IGE's proven repeatedly in the past that in a gray business, they're quite happy to be black.

It's kind of like the difference between the dude you bought pot from in high school, and the Cali cartel.

Edited, Fri May 5 21:02:49 2006 by Groogle
#788 May 05 2006 at 8:01 PM Rating: Decent
oh, and on a side note, you're still wrong about those threads! my perspective on the issue was pretty unwarped, because I hadn't bought plat to gear up, I just chose to focus on getting my gear better to the point where I could tank stuff a lot of 'casual' people couldn't. well, that and the people I was playing with didn't suck at eq, which is unusual in pickup groups.

flat out denied that at the time, and I flat out deny it now =p

Edited, Fri May 5 21:07:25 2006 by Groogle
#789 May 05 2006 at 8:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
Sure. It's one anecdotal observation, but I think the observation is valid.
"The plural of anecdote is not data"

Having a story about someone is a far, far cry from declaring that 50% of the people who've complained have purchased gold/plat/etc

I declared it to be 85% back on page 6....


#790 May 05 2006 at 9:07 PM Rating: Good
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(For the fifth time): Q: How can PREMIUM, PAYING, members get a refund?


Answer this in your offical thread.
#791 May 05 2006 at 9:08 PM Rating: Default
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Alla, I humored you adn went through all 16 pages of this ******** thread, and you haven't answered my question. So no, you didn't answer all the questions. When are these retarded threads gonna go away and when will these retards be banned?
#792 May 05 2006 at 9:24 PM Rating: Default
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Alla, I humored you adn went through all 16 pages of this ******** thread, and you haven't answered my question. So no, you didn't answer all the questions. When are these retarded threads gonna go away and when will these retards be banned?


Why do you want to be banned, Erawyn?

~Blix
#793 May 05 2006 at 9:30 PM Rating: Decent
LOL Why are so many of you that swear you are leaving, all up in arms over this merger, still here posting?

Trust in Alla and the admins to keep their word, give them a chance to prove themselves, or live up to your promise and move on!

Nothing has happened to warrant any refunds. Your posts aren't copyrighted material, so they are public property. You can choose to not login at any time.

I for one am eager to see what they can accomplish with new servers, more staff, and some serious financial backing!! Woot...let's see the magic!!

#794 May 05 2006 at 9:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Redyne wrote:
LOL Why are so many of you that swear you are leaving, all up in arms over this merger, still here posting?

Trust in Alla and the admins to keep their word, give them a chance to prove themselves, or live up to your promise and move on!

Nothing has happened to warrant any refunds. Your posts aren't copyrighted material, so they are public property. You can choose to not login at any time.

I for one am eager to see what they can accomplish with new servers, more staff, and some serious financial backing!! Woot...let's see the magic!!

and have their community gone.


woo?
#795 May 05 2006 at 9:46 PM Rating: Decent
God, Feba, your sig makes you look so stupid.

There is no proof that the Mystery Company is IGE.

You say it like it's pure fact, it's not.

Glad you're leaving. (False hope. Smiley: rolleyes)

~Blix

Edited, Fri May 5 22:48:23 2006 by TheBlix
#796 May 05 2006 at 10:07 PM Rating: Decent
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I won't buy DirecTV, because Rupert Murdoch owns them, because of my view of Fox News. Some do make the connections.


Funny you mentioned, because the sale of Alla's sale to IGE's parent company reminded me of this BBC News article from last July:

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News Corp, the company run by media mogul Rupert Murdoch, has made one of its first major internet purchases.
It has bought Intermix Media, owner of Myspace.com, the fifth most-viewed internet domain in the US and owner of other sites for $580m (£332.85m).

Mr Murdoch says the networking site will drive traffic to his Fox TV sites.


just.. ugh.
#797 May 05 2006 at 10:19 PM Rating: Default
[GREEN]THANK YOU FOR BEING FUNNY!!! TOO MANY OF YOU ARE MAKING TOO BIG OF A DEAL OUT OF THIS!!! EVERYONE SELLS OUT. GREEN DAY= PRIME EXAMPLE. ANY BAND THAT YOU LOVE, ANY GAME DEVELOPER THAT YOU LOVE, ANY WEBSITE THAT YOU ENJOY. EVENTUALLY, THEY ALL SELL OUT. WHY? B/C THEY AIN'T DOIN IT FOR FUN!! DID YOU STOP PLAYING EQ WHEN VARENT WAS SOLD TO SOE?!?! DID YOU STOP PLAYING BLIZZARD GAMES WHEN THEY WERE SOLD TO DAVIDSON??!?

WE LIVE IN A CAPITAL SOCIETY—HELL, THAT'S WHY IGE EXISTS. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T CANCEL YOUR SUBSCRIPTION TO ALLA, LEAVE THE COUNTRY--GO TO MEXICO, BUSH WILL THANK YOU FOR IT!
[GREEN/]
#798 May 05 2006 at 10:20 PM Rating: Excellent
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Allakhazam wrote:
It is the fact that I care about this community and what happens to it that I am still sitting here and posting about this.


I hate to say it, but you are being unbelievably naive if you think RPG Holdings gives a damn about this community.

I'm not bothered by the fact that IGE is now associated with this site, if I was I wouldn't be using Google, Somepage, FFXI-Atlas, etc etc etc. In a perfect world Allakhazam would not need to pull revenue from shady companies, and my tax dollars would not be going to the war in Iraq, but in this world they are. Does that mean I'm moving to Canada?

If I decided to never buy goods or services from any company that employed business practices that I disagreed with on some level, I would probably end up locked inside my apartment starving and naked.

What I do find truly disappointing is that when Allakhazam looks at this community, he probably sees fellow gamers, but when RPG Holdings looks at the users of this site, all they see are dollar signs, and from this point forward they will be the ones making the final decisions, regardless of how much control they relinquish in the early stages.

So here is my question for Allakhazam, and it has not yet been asked:

If, several months down the road, you find yourself in the position of knowing what is best for this community, and after passing that information along to your new bosses you find that their ultimate decision comes down to what's best for their bottom line even at the expense of the users of this site, and you begin to feel that perhaps you made the wrong decision and didn't act in our best interest after all, will you still have enough loyalty to this community to let us know?


Edited, Fri May 5 23:28:58 2006 by akirussan
#799 May 05 2006 at 10:20 PM Rating: Decent
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[GREEN]THANK YOU FOR BEING FUNNY!!! TOO MANY OF YOU ARE MAKING TOO BIG OF A DEAL OUT OF THIS!!! EVERYONE SELLS OUT. GREEN DAY= PRIME EXAMPLE. ANY BAND THAT YOU LOVE, ANY GAME DEVELOPER THAT YOU LOVE, ANY WEBSITE THAT YOU ENJOY. EVENTUALLY, THEY ALL SELL OUT. WHY? B/C THEY AIN'T DOIN IT FOR FUN!! DID YOU STOP PLAYING EQ WHEN VARENT WAS SOLD TO SOE?!?! DID YOU STOP PLAYING BLIZZARD GAMES WHEN THEY WERE SOLD TO DAVIDSON??!?

WE LIVE IN A CAPITAL SOCIETY—HELL, THAT'S WHY IGE EXISTS. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, DON'T CANCEL YOUR SUBSCRIPTION TO ALLA, LEAVE THE COUNTRY--GO TO MEXICO, BUSH WILL THANK YOU FOR IT!
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HULK SMASH!

#800 May 05 2006 at 10:32 PM Rating: Good
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God, Feba, your sig makes you look so stupid.

There is no proof that the Mystery Company is IGE.

You say it like it's pure fact, it's not.

Glad you're leaving. (False hope. Smiley: rolleyes)

~Blix

Edited, Fri May 5 22:48:23 2006 by TheBlix



Ok, the company which owns IGE was created by themselves.


The company which owns allakhazam also owns IGE

Smiley: rolleyes Not that hard of a logic puzzle
#801 May 05 2006 at 11:30 PM Rating: Decent
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Except you don't have proof except an anon article written by an anon person whom isnt even credible.

And you support gil sellers too Feba. you're friends with them. Doesn't matter if they are regretful about it.
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