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#152 Feb 20 2016 at 12:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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Sure. And how many of those tweets repeated the false statements made by the media versus the correct quote of the Pope?

Umm... none? If they were "false" it was because they cut out the "bridge" portion to make a pithier comment.

Holy hell, it's pretty funny watching you so frantically insist that no conservatives were posting this stuff or they must have gotten tricked or they don't really count or...

Can't you guys EVER take responsibility for yourselves? Ever? What a bunch of cry-baby pussies Smiley: laugh
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#153 Feb 20 2016 at 1:04 AM Rating: Good
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the bulk of Trump's supporters


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#154 Feb 20 2016 at 5:24 AM Rating: Good
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Watch the news. Watch.
I first heard it on the radio, in the bastion of Socialism called Canada, in its 2nd most socialist region and it was quoted in full.
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#155 Feb 20 2016 at 6:08 AM Rating: Good
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The first thing I heard about it was on NPR on my drive home. They quoted the entire thing.

Every news article I saw in the feed quoted the entire thing. While most of them had titles like "Pope disses Trump, Trump fires back" or some **** like that. But the actual articles all had the information in full.

The idea that it's the media's fault that these people are clinging to the physical wall idea is laughable. They are choosing to cling to the physical wall idea because it's an easily countered point. If they had to attack the metaphorical meaning of acceptance and what not, it'd be less "Christian" of them.
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#156 Feb 20 2016 at 8:08 AM Rating: Decent
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[quote=Johpiel]the bulk of Trump's supporters


Gdi, another passtime ruined by Trump.
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#157 Feb 20 2016 at 4:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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Clinton won the Nevada caucus. Not by a huge amount but a comfortable amount (looks like 5-7pts)
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#158 Feb 20 2016 at 6:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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NBC calls South Carolina for Trump with... umm... 0.1% reporting.

ABC, AP and Fox all call for Trump as well.

Edited, Feb 20th 2016 6:34pm by Jophiel
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#159 Feb 21 2016 at 11:58 AM Rating: Default
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Trump wiped the map. Pretty embarrassing for the GOP.
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Things that don't hurt Trump:
Smiley: schooled Pope-fights
Smiley: schooled Previous support for abortion rights
Smiley: schooled Saying that Bush caused 9/11
Smiley: schooled Being a billionaire
Smiley: schooled Calling McCain a wuss
Smiley: schooled Calling to deport all the Muslims and Mexicans
Smiley: schooled Fighting with FOX and Megyn Kelly
Smiley: schooled Skipping debates

Edited, Feb 21st 2016 3:29pm by Jophiel
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#161 Feb 21 2016 at 1:30 PM Rating: Good
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-Calling Putin a good guy, someone I can work with
-killing a man in broad daylight.
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#162 Feb 21 2016 at 1:40 PM Rating: Excellent
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-Calling Putin a good guy, someone I can work with

Good one! That and "Hey, no one can prove that Putin had those guys killed!"

Edited, Feb 21st 2016 1:41pm by Jophiel
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Welp, some billionaire named Stanley Druckenmiller just signed on to help finance Kasich's campaign so I can't see Kasich dropping out before mid-March at the earliest.
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#164 Feb 21 2016 at 9:56 PM Rating: Excellent
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Huh, wonder if that has anything to do with Kasich defunding Planned Parenthood in Ohio today.
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I think he's donated to Jeb! and Christie in the past so with Jeb* now a footnote, he's on to the next quasi-moderate.
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#166 Feb 22 2016 at 1:22 AM Rating: Good
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He stopped donating to JEB! after he saw this debate performance.
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#167 Feb 22 2016 at 8:26 AM Rating: Good
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Watch the news. Watch.
You don't watch the news because it influences your opinion on the topics, though.
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Things that don't hurt Trump:
Smiley: schooled Pope-fights
Smiley: schooled Previous support for abortion rights
Smiley: schooled Saying that Bush caused 9/11
Smiley: schooled Being a billionaire
Smiley: schooled Calling McCain a wuss
Smiley: schooled Calling to deport all the Muslims and Mexicans
Smiley: schooled Fighting with FOX and Megyn Kelly
Smiley: schooled Skipping debates
-Calling Putin a good guy, someone I can work with
-killing a man in broad daylight.
- Not being a True Scotsman
- True Scotsmen

Edited, Feb 22nd 2016 9:28am by lolgaxe
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Jophiel wrote:
Things that don't hurt Trump:
Smiley: schooled Pope-fights
Smiley: schooled Previous support for abortion rights
Smiley: schooled Saying that Bush caused 9/11
Smiley: schooled Being a billionaire
Smiley: schooled Calling McCain a wuss
Smiley: schooled Calling to deport all the Muslims and Mexicans
Smiley: schooled Fighting with FOX and Megyn Kelly
Smiley: schooled Skipping debates


Um... Because his largest support comes from people outside the Republican party, for whom a candidate tweaking the noses of the GOP is actually a positive, not a negative. Where he's going to get into trouble is when we head into actual closed caucuses and primaries, where only registered Republicans can participate. Combine this with what is almost certainly going to be a wave of mainstream support flowing to Rubio, and I'm not sure that a mere 10 point lead in SC, where everything favored Trump, is going to cut it.

I do find it funny to watch the pundits trying to scratch their heads and figure out how Trump did so well in counties with such high evangelical voters. The whole time I'm watching them doing this, I'm practically screaming at the TV: "You're looking at a Republican county map. Go pull up the Democrat map of what voters exist in which counties, and it'll suddenly make sense". Once you realize that Trump is actively working to appeal to liberal voters, his victories in NH and SC make a lot more sense, as well as the apparent lack of negative impact his very non conservative statements and actions have had.

He's been shedding conservative support over the last couple weeks, but picking up liberal support as he does so. Which works for him in NH and SC, and if the normal math of "candidate who does that well in the first 3 races will pick up endorsements and momentum to carry him through to a landslide victory" that would seem to be a great tactic. But that past pattern assumes that everyone in the GOP pack are relatively close in terms of perceived ideological position, with only minor differences in voting record, experience, positions, etc, so there are a large number of voters who are willing to shift from one candidate to another as events in the primaries unfold. That's just not the case here. Trump doesn't get "momentum" from the right by these wins. He merely holds his numbers. Which can also work as long as the rest of the field remains divided. I think that Rubio's strong second place, well above polled expectations, is going to change things quite a bit though. There's a good chunk of Cruz voters who poll for him, not because they like him or agree with his positions, but because they perceive him as the best chance to beat Trump. It's likely at least some of those will shift to Rubio now that Bush is out of the race. And while a bit early for this to be a major effect, some of Trumps support may erode there as well. There's always a percent that jump onto a candidate purely because he's the one they've heard the most about, he's the one polling best, etc. Some folks just like to be on the winning side, but if they see someone else challenging that current leader, will switch if there are other factors involved (like say not really liking at all what Trump said in the last debate).

Trump's cap, especially among conservative voters, is relatively low. I'm pretty sure he's going to do far less well in Nevada than he (or most pundits) think. Never know for sure, of course. I honestly was very very happy with the results in SC on Saturday, and think this marks a turning point in the campaign. How fast and strongly things turn is still up for debate though.

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#169 Feb 22 2016 at 5:08 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
I'm not sure that a mere 10 point lead in SC, where everything favored Trump, is going to cut it

Hahahaha.... holy shit -- puff, puff, pass, dude Smiley: laugh
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#170 Feb 22 2016 at 5:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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Oh, come on, you know the folks in SC love them some NYC billionaires.
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#171 Feb 22 2016 at 5:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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One of the most conservative states in the nation, with one of the highest per capitas of evangelicals, where the Bush family still holds clout (well, until a few days ago) and Rubio gets the endorsement of the highly popular governor. If that's the definition of "everything favored Trump" territory, the GOP is fucked.

Also, Trump managed to win a plurality of SC conservatives and evangelicals. Shedding support!

Edited, Feb 22nd 2016 5:29pm by Jophiel
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#172 Feb 22 2016 at 6:21 PM Rating: Good
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Well, yeah.[:obvious-smiley:]
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#173 Feb 23 2016 at 3:55 AM Rating: Good
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This is the image I get in my mind every time gbaji starts his reply "Um..."

Yes, I drew this with MSpaint and yes it should totally be gbaji's forum avatar now.
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#174 Feb 23 2016 at 8:40 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Shedding support!
He'll only get 32% on next Tuesday.
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Scuttlebutt keeps being that Rubio needs to offer Kasich the vice-presidency to consolidate the base. I love the idea of "I'm potentially putting the nation in this guys hands; his qualification is that I'm losing every state otherwise." But then Kasich's super PAC just made a big buy in MI and OH (thanks, new billionaire donor!) so I dunno if Kasich is running for VP just yet.
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#176 Feb 23 2016 at 12:30 PM Rating: Excellent
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The "Trump's ceiling is 35%" mantra took a hit with new polls showing Trump getting 40-45% in a Trump/Cruz/Rubio match and 65% of Republicans now saying he's be acceptable as a candidate.

Part of the problem is, well, Trump keeps winning and people like a winner. And are less inclined to be embarrassed to publicly support him when, hey, he's the guy winning.

Today's Nevada caucus will likely be critical in that regard. Trump failed to mobilize in Iowa so let's see if his team learned their lesson.

Unrelated: Rubio is apparently skipping CPAC next week which Breitbart.com is describing as "snubbing" conservatives and dodging his record on things like immigration and the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
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