i think ppl are overlooking one thing for this roll, which is the lvl it can be used at 1 lvl lower than refresh and 15 lvls lower than ballad II which means until 55 even if a corsair rolls a crappy roll bard cant refresh any better only rdm can and that isnt aoe and they dodnt have all the nice bonuses of the other rolls which means this roll is totally worth having a corsair in your party espeially since corsairs can do way more damage dd than a brd /peace
Edited, Sep 29th 2006 at 11:12am PDT by neokaras
Spell details for Evoker's Roll
| Jobs/Level: | Corsair, lvl 40 |
|---|---|
| MP cost: | 0 |
| Element: | None |
| Scroll: | Summoner Die |
| Duration: | N/A |
| Reuse: | 1 Minute |
| Cast time: | Instant |
| Target Type: | Group |
| Description: | Gradually restores MP for party members within area of effect. |
Just a little more info on how this roll works.
Effect without Summoner in the Party
Normally 1 MP/tick refresh
2 MP/tick on 8 or 10
3 MP/tick on lucky number 5
4 MP/tick on 11
Effect With Summoner
Normally 2 MP/tick refresh
3 MP/tick on 8 or 10
4 MP/tick on lucky number 5
5 MP/tick on 11
Having a Summoner in the Party increases all the rolls by 1. Therefore making this roll extremely powerful. Especially when you consider you are going to get a roll of 5-11 each time.. so the only time you will be getting 2mp per tick is on rolls of 6 and 9. This roll is awesome with a summoner!
Effect without Summoner in the Party
Normally 1 MP/tick refresh
2 MP/tick on 8 or 10
3 MP/tick on lucky number 5
4 MP/tick on 11
Effect With Summoner
Normally 2 MP/tick refresh
3 MP/tick on 8 or 10
4 MP/tick on lucky number 5
5 MP/tick on 11
Having a Summoner in the Party increases all the rolls by 1. Therefore making this roll extremely powerful. Especially when you consider you are going to get a roll of 5-11 each time.. so the only time you will be getting 2mp per tick is on rolls of 6 and 9. This roll is awesome with a summoner!
7 posts
what is so special about rolling 8 or 10?
9 is the unlucky number
svlyons wrote:
If random outcomes aren't acceptable to you, then don't play with random people.
10 posts
I thought brd and cor spells don't stack :/
12 posts
BRD mains can have 2 effects on at once, as can COR. However together you can have a combined 2 effects between them, if I remember correctly (so you can have:
1 song + 1 roll,
2 rolls,
or 2 songs. )
1 song + 1 roll,
2 rolls,
or 2 songs. )
They dont stack as one job (COR/BRD or BRD/COR for example) however you can have as many roll/song up as you want with both a COR & BRD in your PT w/o exceeding the standard (2 rolls+2 song basically, total of 4 buffs)
10 posts
I thought brd and cor spells don't stack :/
11 posts
so rolls or 1,2,3,4,6,7,9 all = 1mp/tic?
that actually is pretty disapointing, yeah 4mp/tic is awesome, but how often are you rolling 11s? especially when 7/11 rolls aren't only NOT any better than refresh or double ballad, but arent even any better than /smn or a vermillion cloak? pretty weak SE, the worst this should be is 2mp/tic, average should be 3, and best should be 4.. no reason for this to ever be 1mp/tic.
that actually is pretty disapointing, yeah 4mp/tic is awesome, but how often are you rolling 11s? especially when 7/11 rolls aren't only NOT any better than refresh or double ballad, but arent even any better than /smn or a vermillion cloak? pretty weak SE, the worst this should be is 2mp/tic, average should be 3, and best should be 4.. no reason for this to ever be 1mp/tic.
Scholar
31 posts
well you should count our rolls of 1,2,3,and 4, bacause you have no reason to not double up on those, making the odd much nicer
From FFXIclopedia:
optimal job part refers to what the job of at least one of the members in you party has to be to receive a boosted/the optimal boost from this spell.
Edited, Mon Jun 5 20:16:51 2006
Quote:
Optimal Job: Summoner
Lucky Number: 5
Unlucky Number: 9
Notes:
Normally 1 MP/tick refresh
2 MP/tick on 8 or 10
3 MP/tick on lucky number 5
4 MP/tick on 11
Lucky Number: 5
Unlucky Number: 9
Notes:
Normally 1 MP/tick refresh
2 MP/tick on 8 or 10
3 MP/tick on lucky number 5
4 MP/tick on 11
optimal job part refers to what the job of at least one of the members in you party has to be to receive a boosted/the optimal boost from this spell.
Edited, Mon Jun 5 20:16:51 2006
I'm confused, can anyone clarify as to why rolling a 11 yeilds a better result then hitting the lucky number?.. but damn, 4mp/tick that is badass, especially if it stacks with rdm/drinks refresh and/or brds ballads.
Taken from http://www.playonline.com/pcd/update/ff11us/20060418lfQ7d3/detail.html
Quote:
- Phantom Roll totals
The effect of a roll will continue to increase as the total rises from “I†to “XI.†However, if the total reaches “XII†or more, the roll will “Bust.â€
Each Phantom Roll has a lucky and unlucky number. Obtaining a total equal to a roll’s lucky number will produce an effect second only to a total of “XI.†A total equal to the unlucky number will produce an effect weaker than a total of “I.â€
If the roll becomes a “Bust,†party members will lose the effect of the roll and the corsair will experience an additional penalty.
The effect of a roll will continue to increase as the total rises from “I†to “XI.†However, if the total reaches “XII†or more, the roll will “Bust.â€
Each Phantom Roll has a lucky and unlucky number. Obtaining a total equal to a roll’s lucky number will produce an effect second only to a total of “XI.†A total equal to the unlucky number will produce an effect weaker than a total of “I.â€
If the roll becomes a “Bust,†party members will lose the effect of the roll and the corsair will experience an additional penalty.
BALLAD 1&2 stack with juices or Refesh, but Refresh doesn't stack with juices (anymore, WTG S/E). I however don't see why ballad, refresh (or juices) and roll wouldn't stack.
Juice creates a refresh effect, so it only makes sense that two refresh effects wouldn't stack.
By refresh effect I mean the icon you see in your status bar at the upper left corner of the screen. Noble's tunic for example adds a refresh effect, but with no icon, so it stacks with juice/refresh. (why would you use juice at that level? XD)
By refresh effect I mean the icon you see in your status bar at the upper left corner of the screen. Noble's tunic for example adds a refresh effect, but with no icon, so it stacks with juice/refresh. (why would you use juice at that level? XD)
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this plus refresh plus mage's ballad 1 and 2 plus a pineapple juice or something would b awesome. But do they all stack?
The believe the juice and refresh wouldn't stack. The rest would, however, though from what I hear Evoker's Roll usually only gives 1 mp per tic unless you have a smn in the party. So you'd need brd rdm smn cor and that doesn't leave room for much else. Still, (without a gjallarhorn) you could be doing refresh + ballads + evoker's roll + auto-refresh + refresh body piece, 3 + 3 + 5 + 1 + 1 = 13 mp refresh on the smn. If the rdm has a Duelist's Chapeau and a Dalm and /smn, it could be 3 + 3 + 5 + 1 + 1 + 1 = 14...
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