Kaiser Cuirass
Kaiser Cuirass
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Scholar
23 posts
To some people who truly want to be the best of all, they will strive to get that little white box around just about everything they own just for kicks and giggles. However, anyone who doesn't strive for the box doesn't deserve to put them down because eventually the effect of 6-8HQ items all sitting on one person add up to a significantly more powerful character.
Scholar
27 posts
The Vit is self explanatory, but just to spread The Word, Cha bonuses are implemented in many armors to increase -Killer effects. It's like no matter what the folks who actually make the game say, the players know differently. louispv's post a bit lower. {Check it}
cursed cuirass -1 cost ten times the price of the cursed cuirass. who would pay 10m for 2HP ?
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you people disappoint me... why would CHR have to effect provoke? provoke is not 100% necessary to get hate. youre forgetting all the other hate factors. just because a job doesnt have provoke does not mean they cant get or hold hate.. look at BLM for instance. and what if CHR effected something like... magic hate?(not magic strength) or light based abilities? notice how CHR is sometimes paired with light resistance on armors?
Just wanted to throw some ideas out there and maybe get some other ideas from replies to this and learn from it. do not state what you believe without reasonable proof though, please.
P.S. i am not saying provoke isnt effected by CHR i am saying i THINK it might be effecting something more subtle and hidden.
Edited, Jul 23rd 2006 at 7:41pm EDT by AmbientXII
Just wanted to throw some ideas out there and maybe get some other ideas from replies to this and learn from it. do not state what you believe without reasonable proof though, please.
P.S. i am not saying provoke isnt effected by CHR i am saying i THINK it might be effecting something more subtle and hidden.
Edited, Jul 23rd 2006 at 7:41pm EDT by AmbientXII
This set was amde with the kaiser shield in mind for Beast Killer, undead killer trait, the killer earings, or food with various killer effects. Not only will the damage you take go way down, but a lot of the attacks will never go off in the first place, thatnks to intimidation.
Now add Tatami shield, with it's All Killer Effects, and so long all other tanks. This guy would outtank anyone on HNM.
Though getting the damn thing is a little hard, what with a 1/10 drop off a once a week HNM, that everyone and their dog is competeing with you for. Way to go SE, making that the only place abjurations come from.
As for no emnity, not like you'd need emnity gear all the time. Since you won't be hitting the side of a barn, emnity ofr your melee attacks would be worthless. You could always macro in your emnity gear before flash and provoke and WS anyway, then switch back. You know, what melees and mages have done since level 30.
Now add Tatami shield, with it's All Killer Effects, and so long all other tanks. This guy would outtank anyone on HNM.
Though getting the damn thing is a little hard, what with a 1/10 drop off a once a week HNM, that everyone and their dog is competeing with you for. Way to go SE, making that the only place abjurations come from.
As for no emnity, not like you'd need emnity gear all the time. Since you won't be hitting the side of a barn, emnity ofr your melee attacks would be worthless. You could always macro in your emnity gear before flash and provoke and WS anyway, then switch back. You know, what melees and mages have done since level 30.
One thing youre forgettin bout is that the Tatami Shield also has a chance to intimidate a person trying to perform an action on the person with the Tatami Shield.
So in essence, addin that +Chr could then improve the chance o' a person gettin intimidated by the player with the shield.
So theres definitely some benfits/disadvantages to the shield 8P
So in essence, addin that +Chr could then improve the chance o' a person gettin intimidated by the player with the shield.
So theres definitely some benfits/disadvantages to the shield 8P
Nice looking armor
6 posts
Just a little question:
Is Purifying a 100% thing? I am lvling Goldsmithing so that I can make the cursed Cuirass and im hoping to get a -1 so i can make this. Now not that getting the abjuration and making the Cuirass is gonna be hard enough, but If Purifying isnt 100% and I fail and lose on of those items Im probably gonna just straight up freak out and die.
~Atredes~
Edited, Mon Sep 19 10:00:15 2005
Is Purifying a 100% thing? I am lvling Goldsmithing so that I can make the cursed Cuirass and im hoping to get a -1 so i can make this. Now not that getting the abjuration and making the Cuirass is gonna be hard enough, but If Purifying isnt 100% and I fail and lose on of those items Im probably gonna just straight up freak out and die.
~Atredes~
Edited, Mon Sep 19 10:00:15 2005
Yup, you just trade items to a san'dorian NPC. Getting the abjuration, outlotting everyone else, and making a +1 of a 98 synth though.. not 100%. :)
I asked a pld ls buddy if he ever dreamed of getting this cool piece of equipment, i tought vit+ is a must 4 every pld, and he said "ha, crappy since your vit gets capped u don't need to have such a huge bonus"
Am i a fool or that paladin doesn't know his job?
Am i a fool or that paladin doesn't know his job?
well... he apparently didn't look twice at this piece of armor... see that HP bonus? that's a good bonus right there. still, that's not what this is all about, nor the very good DEF (even thouh both are extremely good.)
see that CHR+? CHR helps to keep hate once you've got hate. meaning; that boost of CHR is godly! as is the VIT bonus. That PLD friend of yours should go /slap himself :P lol
see that CHR+? CHR helps to keep hate once you've got hate. meaning; that boost of CHR is godly! as is the VIT bonus. That PLD friend of yours should go /slap himself :P lol
/slap yourself for believing that CHR does anything other then Killer effects and bst charm. If CHR effected hate, a BST and BRD would be pulling hate all the time.
people people people.... let me clarify it for you.... drives me nuts when people pretend they know what they're talking about....
Chr does NOT effect your enmity or Provoke. Straight + to Enmity will do that, what Chr does is... over time, you lose hate gradually, higher Chr means you'll hold that hate longer, but it does not, by any means raise your hate.
Chr does NOT effect your enmity or Provoke. Straight + to Enmity will do that, what Chr does is... over time, you lose hate gradually, higher Chr means you'll hold that hate longer, but it does not, by any means raise your hate.
He's 99.9% right.
Think of it this way. You know those icons on top of your screen when you get a buff or debuff? Provoke puts one of those on a mob, and CHR will help make that stay longer, that's what CHR does. CHR makes things stick and stick longer, and Provoke will always stick, so it makes it stick longer, though it doesn't directly affect provoke. Why do you think BRD's and BST's want CHR? To make Charm stick, stick longer, and songs to stick longer (skill helps too ^_^)
Think of it this way. You know those icons on top of your screen when you get a buff or debuff? Provoke puts one of those on a mob, and CHR will help make that stay longer, that's what CHR does. CHR makes things stick and stick longer, and Provoke will always stick, so it makes it stick longer, though it doesn't directly affect provoke. Why do you think BRD's and BST's want CHR? To make Charm stick, stick longer, and songs to stick longer (skill helps too ^_^)
Why would you not belive the makers of the game they designed this and decided what does what what effects what etc. Not beliveing something does somethign that it is suspose to is stupid. CHR does improve provoke and your skills. I am not sure that it helps ws though. And yes this armour is pretty kick ***.
lol
Hypocritical much? SE has clearly stated that the only things that CHR affects are Charm, BRD debuffs, and certain weaponskills, and you say that you are unsure that it helps weaponskills, which SE blatently stated, but you are positive that it affects Provoke, which SE blatently stated that it does not.
Yet you say "Why would you not belive the makers of the game they designed this and decided what does what what effects what etc. Not beliveing something does somethign that it is suspose to is stupid."
Interesting, no?
Hypocritical much? SE has clearly stated that the only things that CHR affects are Charm, BRD debuffs, and certain weaponskills, and you say that you are unsure that it helps weaponskills, which SE blatently stated, but you are positive that it affects Provoke, which SE blatently stated that it does not.
Yet you say "Why would you not belive the makers of the game they designed this and decided what does what what effects what etc. Not beliveing something does somethign that it is suspose to is stupid."
Interesting, no?
Why CHA is on the Koenig/Kaiser Set
All "killer" traits are directly related to CHA. Undead Killer, Beast Killer, Dragon Killer, Insect Killer, etc. Ever play a BST? BST's with high CHA get a bonus when fighting an animal they have the killer trait for. So, a high CHA BST sees "The Hill Lizard is intimidated by your pressense" if they have the Lizard Killer trait.
Now, if you take a look at the ENTIRE Koenig set, you'll see that it enhances Beast Killer trait. When someone is enhanced on a class that doesn't get the skill, it is very weak. So, to compensate, there's a HUGE CHA bonus on this armor.
Take it to an HNM situation, where this set belongs (**not in an exp situation**a pld would not be able to deal enough damage or take enough damage to keep hate**), and suddenly you are paralyzing something that does 200-300hp damage per hit.
CHA will not affect enmity. Never has, never will. CHA might affect provoke, but it is highly doubtful, as 'voke gets less and less effective in higher levels.
All "killer" traits are directly related to CHA. Undead Killer, Beast Killer, Dragon Killer, Insect Killer, etc. Ever play a BST? BST's with high CHA get a bonus when fighting an animal they have the killer trait for. So, a high CHA BST sees "The Hill Lizard is intimidated by your pressense" if they have the Lizard Killer trait.
Now, if you take a look at the ENTIRE Koenig set, you'll see that it enhances Beast Killer trait. When someone is enhanced on a class that doesn't get the skill, it is very weak. So, to compensate, there's a HUGE CHA bonus on this armor.
Take it to an HNM situation, where this set belongs (**not in an exp situation**a pld would not be able to deal enough damage or take enough damage to keep hate**), and suddenly you are paralyzing something that does 200-300hp damage per hit.
CHA will not affect enmity. Never has, never will. CHA might affect provoke, but it is highly doubtful, as 'voke gets less and less effective in higher levels.
Chr does not affect enmity, and therefore would not affect provoke. It was bolded in the interview i read.
From posts that I have read, and info I have gotten from Square and other FFXI sites, CHR enhances things. It enhanes Weapon Skills, Provokes, and other abilities. It does NOT add emnity or hate, but DOES enhance those things that do *** emnity and hate.
Anonymous
I don't think CHR affects Provoke directly, as Square-Enix said. Although it may have an impact on Emnity directly.
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having just gotten this (miraculously i got it on the first try), i decided to try out the whole "CHR effects provoke thing." so i ptd with five other guys from my ls, 2 DRKs, a WHM, a RDM, and a SMN, and we went out to kill simurgh. so at first we all entered rolanberry and i wasn't wearing the cuirass, and then simurgh spawned and we went in for the kill. i used provoke (still without cuirass), then instantly afterward, our 75 DRK (we're pretty sure he's the only NA player on pandemonium with the apocalypse) used catastrophe with 100% TP and simurgh went and started attacking him. so i quickly put on the cuirass, then as soon as my voke interval had finished and dominus (that's the DRK's name) got 100% TP again, i voked him again and dominus did the same thing and instantly used catastrophe. this time however, simurgh stayed on me, so from this i can conclude that yes, 21 CHR DOES effect provoke. if you don't believe me, fine, you can try it out for yourself, i guarantee you'll get more enmity.
no i dont belive you.
Someone with Apocalipse, no not really.
anyway CHR does not affect emnity so it wont help you pry the monster from other people.
it does however slow the rate in wich Hate is lost for example when a monster hits you he wont be so satisfied cause your all cool XD
Someone with Apocalipse, no not really.
anyway CHR does not affect emnity so it wont help you pry the monster from other people.
it does however slow the rate in wich Hate is lost for example when a monster hits you he wont be so satisfied cause your all cool XD
ok your a dumbass, just ignore the poster above me since he is as ignorant as the parents of a teenager.
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You're forgetting... This has absolutely NO ENMITY BONUSES. You aren't going to hit much, or deal noticable damage to gain hate either. That means only Curing and Provoking is what you can do.
You'd better be partying/alliancing with DRK/THF or THF/NIN....
You'd better be partying/alliancing with DRK/THF or THF/NIN....
Who knows? Someone could really test if CHR effects Provoke with this armor. If that is the case (why the **** would they put +CHR on it), then this is the best armor any PLD would want.
But again, CHR might not affect Provoke. You could always build up hate before it with AF or Adamant armor and then absorbing the attacks afterward.
PLD/NIN
Main:Excalibur Sub:Kraken's Club
have lots of ACC+ and ATK+ gear
Spam Knights of the Round, Savage Blade, and/or Spirits Within. That should hold hate. The HP+s and DEF from this armor make SW or KOTR have a good chance of doing very high damage. With all of the DEF, VIT, and HP you gain from this set (even Keonig for that matter), you should focus on STR+, ATK+, DEX+, and ACC+. Behemoth or Shadow Mantle are good. If you can get a Defending Ring, you are golden. Everything else doesnt need to do with DEF. Just focus on doing damage so you can gain some TP. Utsusemi can also be used along with other Ninjutsu if need be.
Sorta like that:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/profile.xml?37829
(taken from a good HNM linkshell)
Edited, Sun Jul 25 01:31:23 2004
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i like your idea of an uber PLD, but here's my version, and it's what i hope to become sometime before new years:
elvaan, lvl 75 paladin / lvl 37 warrior
Weapon - Excalibur
Sub weapon - Kaiser Shield
Ranged - Lu Shang's Fishing Rod
Ammo - Robber Rig
Head - Kaiser Schaller
Neck - Enhancing Torque
Ear 1 - Knight's Earring
Ear 2 - Robust Earring
Body - Kaiser Schaller
Hands - Kaiser Handschuhs
Ring 1 - Defending Ring
Ring 2 - Terra's Ring
Back - Fenrir's Cape
Waist - Forest Sash
Legs - Kaiser Diechlings
Feet - Kaiser Schuhs
elvaan, lvl 75 paladin / lvl 37 warrior
Weapon - Excalibur
Sub weapon - Kaiser Shield
Ranged - Lu Shang's Fishing Rod
Ammo - Robber Rig
Head - Kaiser Schaller
Neck - Enhancing Torque
Ear 1 - Knight's Earring
Ear 2 - Robust Earring
Body - Kaiser Schaller
Hands - Kaiser Handschuhs
Ring 1 - Defending Ring
Ring 2 - Terra's Ring
Back - Fenrir's Cape
Waist - Forest Sash
Legs - Kaiser Diechlings
Feet - Kaiser Schuhs
6 posts
Uh...Jelly Ring and Hercules' Ring.
hercules ring is pure garbage
5 posts
/seconded
However. It is still very useful when resting(while in red), and provoking.
Beyond that..... Yep. Screams useless.
However. It is still very useful when resting(while in red), and provoking.
Beyond that..... Yep. Screams useless.
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As I've seen CHR does play a role in holding aggro. My brother is a Galka PLD, LVL 58. When I PT w/ him, I'm a Galka WAR, I notice that he can't hold aggro as much compare to when I PT w/ an Elvaan or Hume PLDs... I bought him a Corsette +1 Belt, CHR +6, he held aggro better and the mobs won't let go even after the BLM did 900+ Magic Burst!!!
Edited, Thu Jul 29 15:29:51 2004
Edited, Thu Jul 29 15:29:51 2004
the reason he couldn't hold hate is because he doesn't have the mp to cure and flash like a hume or elvaan. because hume and elvan have basically double and triple the mp, they'll have more aggro
On top of that, Magic Burst's extra damage does not give ANY hate. You would get the same hate as if you were to just use the spell in a normal nuking situation. And at 58, 900 damage on Magic Burst would mean it was AM. That 900 w/o the MB would only be in the mid 600's-low 700's. That wouldn't generate enough hate to begin with if you have a *good* paladin tank.
20 posts
"well, i don't think their damage would be THAT bad. i reckon a lvl 75 PLD wearing all the kaiser armor would have about 180 VIT and 50 STR. so really the armor's not awful because of its impaired attack, in fact this is most definetely the best PLD armor in the game because it offers un-freakin'-believable HP, DEF, and VIT, and it doesn't suck up all the other stats too badly."
hume pld has 171 vit 55 str set
hume pld has 171 vit 55 str set
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Hey this armor would be awsome for a pld in a party, becuse a pld is not made to deal damage he is ment to recive it so who cares if we end up hiting for zero as long as we hold or hate
Scholar
20 posts
I too find it irritating that this armor set lowers STR and DEX so much. Not that PLDs do damage anyway but still :P. I guess for long HNM battles I would use this but otherwise I'd stick with my Relic equipment set :)(too bad they're so tough to get =/)
Do you get this the same was as the Keoing set? It says fishing in the armor list, but that seems doubtful.
16 posts
Yeah, his str will be like -55, but the vit will be about +55. Strange isn't it.
28 posts
actually the whole koenig set gives -30 STR/DEX and +60 CHR/VIT so you do the math on the rest of it
I can imagine a Kaiser paladin going up against a wild rabbit and neither of them can kill each other because they both deal zero damage.
A PLD in this armor would be the largest punching bag known in history. Sure you can't hit or hurt your oppenent but a PLD is not a DMG dealer. I can see Bune hitting this PLD for 10 HP a go. :P
While PLD drools over this armor, I'm going to stare at the Crimson set for my DRG. @_@
While PLD drools over this armor, I'm going to stare at the Crimson set for my DRG. @_@
well, i don't think their damage would be THAT bad. i reckon a lvl 75 PLD wearing all the kaiser armor would have about 180 VIT and 50 STR. so really the armor's not awful because of its impaired attack, in fact this is most definetely the best PLD armor in the game because it offers un-freakin'-believable HP, DEF, and VIT, and it doesn't suck up all the other stats too badly.
You're forgetting... This has absolutely NO ENMITY BONUSES. You aren't going to hit much, or deal noticable damage to gain hate either. That means only Curing and Provoking is what you can do.
You'd better be partying/alliancing with DRK/THF or THF/NIN....
You'd better be partying/alliancing with DRK/THF or THF/NIN....
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Hey woke up, enmity gear is crap (either its me who are too good at holding hate or you ppl are ***-hole as tank XD ) i always had VIT oriented gear and i'm holding hate againts almost everything. Flash and provoke as soon they are available and cure yourself 80% of the time and you'll hold hate like god.
So a message to everyone playing PLD, STR and DEX arent for PLD at all and enmity is a good add on the AF piece BUT dont waste gils on enmity gear, Boost your Def and your Vit and do your job well and you'll be one of the Best Hate holder on your serveur ^^
So a message to everyone playing PLD, STR and DEX arent for PLD at all and enmity is a good add on the AF piece BUT dont waste gils on enmity gear, Boost your Def and your Vit and do your job well and you'll be one of the Best Hate holder on your serveur ^^
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