Razor Axe
somethings i read in this thread
-nin's cant tank
-nin's cant DD
-pld > nin tanking
-war > nin tanking
-war/nin holding hate in QS through blm chain nuke, mnk ws spam
-war > nin evasion (WTF?)
/laugh
Its quite scary there are still people with this mentality playing this game. No wonder I dropped LFG all together and only static.
Razor Axe
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lmao Sejiro i agree with u totally
5 posts
well i will say pld is a better tank than nin
9 posts
i think ninja tanks suck, but thats just me,
PLD ftw
PLD ftw
22 posts
well nin wasn't created to be a tank which is why they hold sh*t hate.
12 posts
Ninja is not the best tanker ever. Who said such blasphemy?
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Nin not a tank <.< >.> ROFLMAO ok................ i guess alla has become newbie vill
yeaaa... WAR tank sucks after yuhtunga.
also, this axe sucks. Combat caster's axe is much better, and you get it at the same level. the only reason to get this is so you can get the AF boots later.
ripping hate off the NIN 5 seconds into the fight doesnt mean youre a good tank, it means youre a bad DD. know the hate line and ride on it. too much hate = dead DD = noexp4u
also, this axe sucks. Combat caster's axe is much better, and you get it at the same level. the only reason to get this is so you can get the AF boots later.
ripping hate off the NIN 5 seconds into the fight doesnt mean youre a good tank, it means youre a bad DD. know the hate line and ride on it. too much hate = dead DD = noexp4u
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I've been reading alot about warrior's as tanks and all I got to say about the whole thing is WAR,WHM,BLM,RDM,MNK and THF, these were the only jobs for quite some time which means that war has been tanking for years and then they brought out Zilart which introduce PLD but still it was rare to see these guys in the early times so it maybe true that PLDs are built for tanks and that NIN's make strange but effective tanks it can also be said that WAR's were tanks first and still capable of getting the job done.
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war has been tanking for years and then they brought out Zilart which introduce PLD
You mean, back when the level cap was 50, and there were no Rangers, Dark Knights,
Samurai or pre-nerf Dragoons? Back before BLM had things like Ancient Magic and elemental IV's and -ga III's?
Not saying warriors can't tank but, bad argument.
Turnerbrown wrote:
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war has been tanking for years and then they brought out Zilart which introduce PLD
You mean, back when the level cap was 50, and there were no Rangers, Dark Knights,
Samurai or pre-nerf Dragoons? Back before BLM had things like Ancient Magic and elemental IV's and -ga III's?
Not saying warriors can't tank but, bad argument.
i'm sorry but zilart brought ONLY (NIN SAM DRG) all the other jobs were already in the game.
I love it when ppl come into these forums and start in on their "War can't tank as well as a Ninja...." line, or "War/Mnk can't tank like a War/Nin..." line. LMAO!!!! Seriously, I'm LMAO!!!
First off, even with War subbed on a Ninja, you can't take nearly the amount of hate I can off of a mob that I can with my War as a main. Secondly, when you have Nin subbed on a War, you can't take nearly the amount of damage I can, especially with my Sheild equiped. Thirdly, I have more tools at my dispossal to grab hate. Provoke, Boost, WS, Warcry, Aggressor etc., when I have my Mnk subbed. And with the correct equipment i.e. High Breath Mantle the only way to pull hate off of me with no Pld in the party even for just a few seconds IS to voke off of me.
A War/Nin is a DD with limited tanking abilities, a War/Mnk, is a DD with far greater tanking abilities than anyone else in the game excluding a Pld. Ninja is NOT a tank, and if you let your shadows down for more than a few seconds when you're trying to tank then guess what?! Having only 1-2 healers in the party is not even close to enough to keep you alive, even with them ONLY curing you!!!
I've only had (as ridiculious as the job may sound) only 1 job that can keep the hate off of me and keep it off even when I would voke, and that was a Blue Mage. But when I would use Warcry, guess what poncho?! That hate was mine again, and it would take alot to take it away. And suprisingly Boost grabs alot of hate. I would have a Thief trying to do SATA behind me while the War/Nin started the fight off with the hate, and if I (War/Mnk) used Boost even with the War/Nin already using voke I'd steal that hate. Though I didn't mean too, and ***** up the Thief's SATA.
As a War/Mnk, I have the same base defense and attack as a War/Nin, and with a Shield equipped my damage taking is cut at least in half to those who don't have one equipped, and have Dual Wield instead, cuz let's face it as a War/Nin it's hard to keep those shadows up the whole match, and when you lose those shadows even for a second you're in deep crap!!
And to those who say it's difficult for a Ninja to get interrupted during your casting of your spells?! I laugh at your idiotic ramblings, I've sat and watched Ninja's who don't stay on top of their shadows and let all of them wear off while trying to tank......and it's not pretty the amount of damage they take and how often they get interrupted while trying to re-cast.
Lastly, anyone who says that Ninja can tank and War can't?? Has NEVER solo'd any job past level 10, plain and simple. These are ppl who will stand around for hours waiting for a pt rather than go out and solo up their jobs while waiting for a pt. So in otherwords, these ppl have absolutely NO IDEA what any of these jobs full potential are/can be!!!!
Ninja's are NOT tanks!!!! Plain and simple!!!
First off, even with War subbed on a Ninja, you can't take nearly the amount of hate I can off of a mob that I can with my War as a main. Secondly, when you have Nin subbed on a War, you can't take nearly the amount of damage I can, especially with my Sheild equiped. Thirdly, I have more tools at my dispossal to grab hate. Provoke, Boost, WS, Warcry, Aggressor etc., when I have my Mnk subbed. And with the correct equipment i.e. High Breath Mantle the only way to pull hate off of me with no Pld in the party even for just a few seconds IS to voke off of me.
A War/Nin is a DD with limited tanking abilities, a War/Mnk, is a DD with far greater tanking abilities than anyone else in the game excluding a Pld. Ninja is NOT a tank, and if you let your shadows down for more than a few seconds when you're trying to tank then guess what?! Having only 1-2 healers in the party is not even close to enough to keep you alive, even with them ONLY curing you!!!
I've only had (as ridiculious as the job may sound) only 1 job that can keep the hate off of me and keep it off even when I would voke, and that was a Blue Mage. But when I would use Warcry, guess what poncho?! That hate was mine again, and it would take alot to take it away. And suprisingly Boost grabs alot of hate. I would have a Thief trying to do SATA behind me while the War/Nin started the fight off with the hate, and if I (War/Mnk) used Boost even with the War/Nin already using voke I'd steal that hate. Though I didn't mean too, and ***** up the Thief's SATA.
As a War/Mnk, I have the same base defense and attack as a War/Nin, and with a Shield equipped my damage taking is cut at least in half to those who don't have one equipped, and have Dual Wield instead, cuz let's face it as a War/Nin it's hard to keep those shadows up the whole match, and when you lose those shadows even for a second you're in deep crap!!
And to those who say it's difficult for a Ninja to get interrupted during your casting of your spells?! I laugh at your idiotic ramblings, I've sat and watched Ninja's who don't stay on top of their shadows and let all of them wear off while trying to tank......and it's not pretty the amount of damage they take and how often they get interrupted while trying to re-cast.
Lastly, anyone who says that Ninja can tank and War can't?? Has NEVER solo'd any job past level 10, plain and simple. These are ppl who will stand around for hours waiting for a pt rather than go out and solo up their jobs while waiting for a pt. So in otherwords, these ppl have absolutely NO IDEA what any of these jobs full potential are/can be!!!!
Ninja's are NOT tanks!!!! Plain and simple!!!
nin is not a good tank until 37. nin can kick your *** at pulling hate at 40. good day to you sir.
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Edited, Mar 30th 2007 6:17pm by Quadraxis
Edited, Mar 30th 2007 6:17pm by Quadraxis
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It makes me sad that this guys highest chara is 55 and he thinks he can talk, all the BS typing and in the end he is still wrong.
Scholar
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My 2 pennies.
If Utsusemi is used properly, WAR/NIN's tanking ability is far beyond the ones with /mnk can offer. War/Nin x 2 tanking PT can make a party flow as smooth as silk, although from 37 ~ 73, It won't be as effective since Nin gets Ni at 37, but War/Nin Nin/War set up will make the PT go even more smoother and faster.
I think a majority of players would agree that War/Mnk isn't any better than War/Nin when it comes to tanking.
But yea. War can tank. Provoke comes from War... what else can i say lol.
If Utsusemi is used properly, WAR/NIN's tanking ability is far beyond the ones with /mnk can offer. War/Nin x 2 tanking PT can make a party flow as smooth as silk, although from 37 ~ 73, It won't be as effective since Nin gets Ni at 37, but War/Nin Nin/War set up will make the PT go even more smoother and faster.
I think a majority of players would agree that War/Mnk isn't any better than War/Nin when it comes to tanking.
But yea. War can tank. Provoke comes from War... what else can i say lol.
I can't wait to get this Axe, I already got the CC Axe, and besides that Axe the Razor Axe is the best Axe out there for a very long time. And I really want my Viking Shield too........dammit! Ppl want to much at the AH for it. Booooo!
I almost wasted another 100k (Sylph server) to dual wield CC axes before seeing this, I'm glad I looked it up (didn't know it was a level 40 axe, thought it was higher).
Thanks for all the info guys, I appreciate it.
Oh, and don't listen to people who say NIN is the best tanking job. It all depends on your skill, and a bit of your luck as well. I can tank just as well as any Ninja or Paladin if I try hard enough and don't focus on DDing.
Good luck all!
Thanks for all the info guys, I appreciate it.
Oh, and don't listen to people who say NIN is the best tanking job. It all depends on your skill, and a bit of your luck as well. I can tank just as well as any Ninja or Paladin if I try hard enough and don't focus on DDing.
Good luck all!
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OK I dont know how old some of these posts are but this is how i see it. the warrior class started off as a tank when the game first came out. I lvled war to 30 then switched to pld immedtiatly. After getting to the mid 50s is lvl I didnt see any wars in any of my xp parties at all..then i quit playing for about a year..when i came back i found to my surprise in the first xp party a war/nin...and i was like ..ok this should be interesting...i was lvl 58 at the time and i quickly realized that this war was about the only thing that could take hate off me using rampage...but anyways 50+ u just dont see war/mnk or anything else subbed save for nin because simply put they became DDs...and at 60+ they just get better...most of them equippy haubys for added acc...but taking huge eva hits. Im now a lvl 66 pld..and i can tell u this u dont see wars tanking at that lvl and most dont even wear their AF gear if they even bothered to get it...maybe youll see an occasional war wearing 1 or 2 pieces but most are wearing DD gear like haubys and anything that gives them +atk +acc. Also I can say that wars are very good as a DD...they are right there with DRKS doing massive amounts of dmg...plus they get rampage at 175 skill where drk gets guillotine at 200...anyways lower lvls yes youll see a variety of subs but at higher lvls it pretty much all war/nin and if u have ever been in a party with a good one youd know they are good DDs and not so great sub par tanks...as for greataxes...i havent seen them used 60+ at all...but i know some wars that skillup on it to get steel cyclone 70+
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75 Samurai, 75 Ninja, 53 Thief, 44 Red Mage
42 Ranger, 41 Warrior, 325 days ingame so take the last post as the word u cant go wrong.
42 Ranger, 41 Warrior, 325 days ingame so take the last post as the word u cant go wrong.
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Whoever the noob is saying a war/nin can tank as well as a ninja is plancrazy. Your ninjitsu is half a ninjas aka u get interuppted way more. Your def is nowhere near a pld so u cant even take a hit the way they do. And not to mention a ninjas evasion is so crazy high he wont even get hit with 284 capped evasion thats me. While a war is gona be suckin trying to get his ni back up simply because your ninjistu skill is GIMPED. Stick with the DD trust me .I have multiple 75 jobs. A nin is simply the best tanks hands down..NO DOUBT ABOUT IT..
While I did in fact find the massive tanking debate here extremely informative, I came here to find out about the axe. I just got lvl 40 war/20 nin and got this axe. I was using dual warrior axes till this point and was trying to find out best axe combo to use. Should I go with Razor axe + ???? or with 2 new axes? My perticular situation is 90% of prtys so far I have been main tank with the rest I have simply been 1st voke for a SATA setup. What would you guys recomend for a weapon set for me?
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WooooHoooo i finally got this freakin thinkg!
#REDACTED,
Posted: Oct 22 2005 at 9:04 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The only problem you run into as WAR/NIN is that you don't really want to tank at higher levels. The mobs are using too many special attacks which can slow, blind, strength down, etc... Which will make tanks weaker and warrior is best to stick with damage dealing.
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im only 35 warrior, :( but from what ive read on allakhazam, it seems that warriors are really good at alot of melee jobs, or if not the best.
As a level 74 war/nin Why wouldnt u be a better tank then Nin or Pld? you have good def, not as good as pld. but u have shadows, and ur a war, great DD and should have more then enough JA and ninja tools and emity gear to keep the hate. are the any weaknesses?
Nins,
V.Not easy to keep hate.(and keep ur shadows up.)
V.Casting could get interupted.
V.A multi atk weaponskill from a mob can leave Them defenceless.
V.low def, and HP.
V.cant deal much damage.
*. has the abilty to not take damage.
*. Nin tools help enfeeb.
*. can kill itself?
Pld
V.Takes damage.
V.cant deal much damage.
V.has to rest, wastes TP
V.Depend on MP to keep hate.
*.takes the least damage, out of any job in the game.
*.can heal itself.
*.Invincable
*.Reliable
*.Alot of hp
*.Def boosting JA
War.
V.cant cure itself.
*.Shadows.(Not gonna git hit that much.)
V.not as much defence as a pld
*.still has alot of defence, and has the best def boosting JA, defender.
*.can do alot of DD aswell while tanking.
V. not as many shadows.
anyway war has anough def and hp to take damage, and will only get hit about 3/10 of the times, if they use shadow, compared lets say eah hit does 120 damage, a nin will get hit 4/5 times and get hit for 200+ damage.
a pld while get hit 10/10 times, for about 50 damge each hit. if u add it all up warr takes least damge.
and has more chance of keeping hate.
tell me if this theory is rite and would work like this, seein as im a lvl 35 war :'(
As a level 74 war/nin Why wouldnt u be a better tank then Nin or Pld? you have good def, not as good as pld. but u have shadows, and ur a war, great DD and should have more then enough JA and ninja tools and emity gear to keep the hate. are the any weaknesses?
Nins,
V.Not easy to keep hate.(and keep ur shadows up.)
V.Casting could get interupted.
V.A multi atk weaponskill from a mob can leave Them defenceless.
V.low def, and HP.
V.cant deal much damage.
*. has the abilty to not take damage.
*. Nin tools help enfeeb.
*. can kill itself?
Pld
V.Takes damage.
V.cant deal much damage.
V.has to rest, wastes TP
V.Depend on MP to keep hate.
*.takes the least damage, out of any job in the game.
*.can heal itself.
*.Invincable
*.Reliable
*.Alot of hp
*.Def boosting JA
War.
V.cant cure itself.
*.Shadows.(Not gonna git hit that much.)
V.not as much defence as a pld
*.still has alot of defence, and has the best def boosting JA, defender.
*.can do alot of DD aswell while tanking.
V. not as many shadows.
anyway war has anough def and hp to take damage, and will only get hit about 3/10 of the times, if they use shadow, compared lets say eah hit does 120 damage, a nin will get hit 4/5 times and get hit for 200+ damage.
a pld while get hit 10/10 times, for about 50 damge each hit. if u add it all up warr takes least damge.
and has more chance of keeping hate.
tell me if this theory is rite and would work like this, seein as im a lvl 35 war :'(
74+ war/nin can only tank in specific situations, due to their low evasion skill and how their job abilitys and equipment affect their evasion and defense. their parrying is also a good bit lower then ninja.
we use war tank in xp at 75 in lufisise meadows where mobs die in 30-45 seconds or less with our pt set up(this is with me and another rng/nin putting up huge dmg, and tanking instead of the war after we use a WS because 1500-2000+
WS hold ALOT of hate, and the war tank still occasionally dies), but against something like weapons or aura statues in sky war usually dont do as well as a ninja would. combining a wars already low evasion skill, with the -evasion from a haubergon, and -evasion from aggressor ability, and its just an accident waiting to happen against any mob that doesnt die very fast.
we use war tank in xp at 75 in lufisise meadows where mobs die in 30-45 seconds or less with our pt set up(this is with me and another rng/nin putting up huge dmg, and tanking instead of the war after we use a WS because 1500-2000+
WS hold ALOT of hate, and the war tank still occasionally dies), but against something like weapons or aura statues in sky war usually dont do as well as a ninja would. combining a wars already low evasion skill, with the -evasion from a haubergon, and -evasion from aggressor ability, and its just an accident waiting to happen against any mob that doesnt die very fast.
Warriors can tank, and tank well at 74 (/nin), but they are a different kind of tank that still need support. Utsusemi is pretty gimped on a subjob, ni only gives 3 shadows and you dont have the ninjutsu to help with spell interuption. Plus, the reason a Ninja can keep going on a enemy without ever getting hit is because they already have high evasion. A warrior isnt dodging anything (without comprimising valuable dd/def equips), so our shadows go down quick.
Thats where our defense comes in, which is just as good as a paladin, especially if we eat defensive foods. But, we cant heal ourselves like a paladin, so we need a good healer to back us up. If you're tanking an aura statue, not much is gonna help you on those times when it double attacks/critials for 300 and 300, then does a tp move that stuns you for a good 10 seconds.
So yeah, we can be the ultimate endgame XP tank (and even if we're not tanking, we usually end up doing it half the fight anyway), but we have to deal with healers who havent dealt with a warrior tank since the jungles and have gotten used to just throwing cure 2's and 3's every once and a while and forgot about things like Regen.
Thats where our defense comes in, which is just as good as a paladin, especially if we eat defensive foods. But, we cant heal ourselves like a paladin, so we need a good healer to back us up. If you're tanking an aura statue, not much is gonna help you on those times when it double attacks/critials for 300 and 300, then does a tp move that stuns you for a good 10 seconds.
So yeah, we can be the ultimate endgame XP tank (and even if we're not tanking, we usually end up doing it half the fight anyway), but we have to deal with healers who havent dealt with a warrior tank since the jungles and have gotten used to just throwing cure 2's and 3's every once and a while and forgot about things like Regen.
WARs can tank, it's well known (atleast on my server) it's just that some choose not to, I am a lvl 41 WAR and I take hate away from the tank a lot of the time, so I know I am capable of keeping hate, the flaw lies in the fact that WARs are not able to take many hits (this is countered by defender and utsusemi), but should the WAR not be able to bring shadows back up the WHM will waste a lot of MP.. in these cases a second voker does good to voke when you need to put shadows up, or a BLM can stun.
However, taking that aside, BEFORE the NIN and PLD were even introduced into FFXI (this is in the JP release) WAR was the only tank, with a MNK subjob they could defender and dodge and be able to tank quite sufficantly... but since there are NIN and PLD now, they see no use for the strategy.
However, taking that aside, BEFORE the NIN and PLD were even introduced into FFXI (this is in the JP release) WAR was the only tank, with a MNK subjob they could defender and dodge and be able to tank quite sufficantly... but since there are NIN and PLD now, they see no use for the strategy.
Just a minor correction, if I may. Well, not so much a correction as a re-analysis.
The PLD weakness you mentioned ('Has to rest: wastes TP') doesn't really matter; the job of a PLD isn't to use Weapon Skills offensively, so really their TP isn't a major concern.
Otherwise, I have to agree. Warriors are pretty awesome, and a PLD/WAR combo makes a pretty sturdy character. It helps make up for weaknesses in both jobs (PLD no longer relies on MP to keep hate up and can do a little more damage, WAR gets more defense and can heal).
The PLD weakness you mentioned ('Has to rest: wastes TP') doesn't really matter; the job of a PLD isn't to use Weapon Skills offensively, so really their TP isn't a major concern.
Otherwise, I have to agree. Warriors are pretty awesome, and a PLD/WAR combo makes a pretty sturdy character. It helps make up for weaknesses in both jobs (PLD no longer relies on MP to keep hate up and can do a little more damage, WAR gets more defense and can heal).
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thakyou for yoyur advice, I have both and axe and sword capped so equiped CC axe and CC scimitar (because it had + 3 acc) and when in 40 cap ballista i just mauled people with my attacks, but i bought another CC axe and tried again and noticed a very marked improvement on attacks, So for anyone that was in the same predicament as myself, a level 40 war, with nin sub and both sword and axe capped, i would highly recommend 2 CC axe,
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i am currently WAR41/NIN20 and have a sword/axe combo of Combat casters scimitar, and combat casters Axe, I was wondering if the +2 str and +2 Dex is beeter o worse for me than the +5 Att that comes with CMB CST axe?
I'd say drop the scimitar first and foremost. One could argue dual combat casters axe or CC axe with AF offhand, personally I'd say dual CC, but either would be a big improvement.
There's a few swords that are acceptable for warrior(Like TM espadon at 50), but that scimitar isn't one of them. It's damage is way to low. It's ok to use it to keep your sword capped as you level, but once you've hit the sword cap switch over to dual axes.
There's a few swords that are acceptable for warrior(Like TM espadon at 50), but that scimitar isn't one of them. It's damage is way to low. It's ok to use it to keep your sword capped as you level, but once you've hit the sword cap switch over to dual axes.
Scholar
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[edit] Oops, made a post on how to solo the AF quest to get this axe at level 40, but realised I should have posted it under the quest section:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/quests.html?fquest=222
Edited, Fri Feb 18 07:22:16 2005
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one thing you all seem to be neglecting is the thf job. if you have trouble holding hate but do good dmg and take dmg decently enough just grab a thf post30 and a sub voke. if you cant hold hate after that then you should probably be shot.
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excellent post /clap good job
Scholar
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ok... fisrt off, this is a forum about the RAZOR AXE. You know, the WAR AF weapon... why is everyone here discussing what job is a better tank?
But... since you all seemingly want to talk about that, why don't I give my 2 cents.
I'd first like to address... that anyone that hasn't played as PLD, WAR, and NIN to at least 30 and been a tank for most of those levels... shouldn't open thier mouths and spew out idiocy.
Paladin- Yes, the best tank in the game. But before you all start flaming me, let me explain (also, I have many great things to say about your job below)... PLD are made to be the best tanks in the game, that's not saying that every other tanking class sucks, just that PLD has more working in their favor. PLD/WAR (which every PLD should be) has the following hate getters:
Provoke
Shield Bash
Cures
Banishes
Flash
Warcry
Holy
as you can see... 4 of those are MP based, while 3 aren't. As long as the PLD uses Provoke every 30 seconds, Flashes every 45 seconds, and times Cures in between the monsters attacks... there is no way anything short of Benediction could pull that monstar away even with low damage. I've missed 90% of my attacks (being Elvaan... horrible DEX:P) and still never had the monster turn to the DD's doing 50-80 damage every hit. Damage is not the best way to keep hate, but it does help.
Ninja- The Blink Tank. While arguing about whether getting hit or not getting hit is what keeps hate is a fun thing for people to do... I have noticed that a lot of NIN/WAR do have problems keeping hate. NIN's have a few things that help them keep hate though:
Provoke
Ninjitsu (every spell in the game gets a little bit of hate at least
Shurikens
Warcry
as you can see, NIN's have a very expensive time keeping hate. Shurikens cost quite a bit, as do Ninja tools for ninjitsu... so unless you are/have a NIN/WAR tank that is willing to/has a lot of money to spend... they won't be as good as PLD or WAR because of sheer lack of tools at your disposal. I will say this for NIN/WAR tanks... I leveled in the dunes on IT's with a 4 man team with a NIN/WAR tank. Nothing beats the fact that Utsusemi staves off several hundred HP of damage that doesn't need to be cured (but WHM get very bored in most NIN tank parties :P)
Warrior- Finally the source of this page. The most common tank. Whether you like it or not, WAR is the most common tank you will have. Being one if the "original six"... it is going to be the most prevalent JOB 1-37. On top of that... WAR have a large variety of subjobs that they can choose to go with, that will ultimalty determine their place in the party.
Tanks:
*WAR/NIN (Blink tanking + Dual weild)
*WAR/PLD (Higher VIT and defense, Sentinel, Shield Bash, Banish and Cure spells)
*WAR/MNK (Higher HP, Dodge, Boost, Focus, Counter, and Chakra)
DD:
*WAR/DRK (Higher STR, Last Reosrt, Souleater, and Black magic)
*WAR/THF (SATA, nuff said)
*WAR/MNK (Higher STR, Boost, and Focus)
*WAR/SAM (I heard this mentioned in other posts... but I believe a WAR/SAM belongs in the DD category over tanks)
and I'm sure you all are going to be saying things like, "Dud, my WAR/RDM will so rox0r j0 and yer... anything !!11!!1!one". Yeah, that greats and all... but how many hours have you wasted lfp because no one wants a WAR with a subjob that makes no sense.
Wow... this is a long one ^^. Anyways, that's my piece, and now that I've said it (and will most likely see several posts after this talking about how wrong I am) I'm going to get this back on the proper track.
The Razor Axe is probably the best AF weapon choice for a WAR... simply for the fact that WAR had so many subjob options.
For non-WAR/NIN tanks, this allows a shield to be used.
For WAR/NIN this allows for a second axe to be dual wielded.
For DD WAR's this might not be the best choice for weapons... but still is the second best option as far a skill level goes, and third/fourth best as far as highest damage goes.
I do have to agree, that DD WAR would be MUCH better off with a Great Axe... better off with a Great Sword... and probably better off with Scythe/Polearm. But hey, at least they didn't give you a one-handed sword as an AF :P
But... since you all seemingly want to talk about that, why don't I give my 2 cents.
I'd first like to address... that anyone that hasn't played as PLD, WAR, and NIN to at least 30 and been a tank for most of those levels... shouldn't open thier mouths and spew out idiocy.
Paladin- Yes, the best tank in the game. But before you all start flaming me, let me explain (also, I have many great things to say about your job below)... PLD are made to be the best tanks in the game, that's not saying that every other tanking class sucks, just that PLD has more working in their favor. PLD/WAR (which every PLD should be) has the following hate getters:
Provoke
Shield Bash
Cures
Banishes
Flash
Warcry
Holy
as you can see... 4 of those are MP based, while 3 aren't. As long as the PLD uses Provoke every 30 seconds, Flashes every 45 seconds, and times Cures in between the monsters attacks... there is no way anything short of Benediction could pull that monstar away even with low damage. I've missed 90% of my attacks (being Elvaan... horrible DEX:P) and still never had the monster turn to the DD's doing 50-80 damage every hit. Damage is not the best way to keep hate, but it does help.
Ninja- The Blink Tank. While arguing about whether getting hit or not getting hit is what keeps hate is a fun thing for people to do... I have noticed that a lot of NIN/WAR do have problems keeping hate. NIN's have a few things that help them keep hate though:
Provoke
Ninjitsu (every spell in the game gets a little bit of hate at least
Shurikens
Warcry
as you can see, NIN's have a very expensive time keeping hate. Shurikens cost quite a bit, as do Ninja tools for ninjitsu... so unless you are/have a NIN/WAR tank that is willing to/has a lot of money to spend... they won't be as good as PLD or WAR because of sheer lack of tools at your disposal. I will say this for NIN/WAR tanks... I leveled in the dunes on IT's with a 4 man team with a NIN/WAR tank. Nothing beats the fact that Utsusemi staves off several hundred HP of damage that doesn't need to be cured (but WHM get very bored in most NIN tank parties :P)
Warrior- Finally the source of this page. The most common tank. Whether you like it or not, WAR is the most common tank you will have. Being one if the "original six"... it is going to be the most prevalent JOB 1-37. On top of that... WAR have a large variety of subjobs that they can choose to go with, that will ultimalty determine their place in the party.
Tanks:
*WAR/NIN (Blink tanking + Dual weild)
*WAR/PLD (Higher VIT and defense, Sentinel, Shield Bash, Banish and Cure spells)
*WAR/MNK (Higher HP, Dodge, Boost, Focus, Counter, and Chakra)
DD:
*WAR/DRK (Higher STR, Last Reosrt, Souleater, and Black magic)
*WAR/THF (SATA, nuff said)
*WAR/MNK (Higher STR, Boost, and Focus)
*WAR/SAM (I heard this mentioned in other posts... but I believe a WAR/SAM belongs in the DD category over tanks)
and I'm sure you all are going to be saying things like, "Dud, my WAR/RDM will so rox0r j0 and yer... anything !!11!!1!one". Yeah, that greats and all... but how many hours have you wasted lfp because no one wants a WAR with a subjob that makes no sense.
Wow... this is a long one ^^. Anyways, that's my piece, and now that I've said it (and will most likely see several posts after this talking about how wrong I am) I'm going to get this back on the proper track.
The Razor Axe is probably the best AF weapon choice for a WAR... simply for the fact that WAR had so many subjob options.
For non-WAR/NIN tanks, this allows a shield to be used.
For WAR/NIN this allows for a second axe to be dual wielded.
For DD WAR's this might not be the best choice for weapons... but still is the second best option as far a skill level goes, and third/fourth best as far as highest damage goes.
I do have to agree, that DD WAR would be MUCH better off with a Great Axe... better off with a Great Sword... and probably better off with Scythe/Polearm. But hey, at least they didn't give you a one-handed sword as an AF :P
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Posted: Aug 08 2005 at 5:33 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) First off no one was talking about the jobs numb nuts and second off this axe is crap you could dual wield warriors axe if you wanted this the only need for this is to do the rest of the AF quest for war and you dont even need to keep this ***** axe and yes CC axe is best for a war at lvl40 because of attack and the fact that all other weapons at that lvl for war suck ****.
Anyone who knows me from Lakshmi server knows, that I'm pretty much a professional tank. I'm 60pld, 37war, and 30nin, in fact the only +30 job i have that isn't a tank is 37thf. anyway, here's my thoughts on that:
Paladin, like you said, is the best tank. that's what we were designed for, we don't get hit hard by mobs, we keep hate very well, and we can cure ourselves, so we basically have the best survivability. while blink tanks can be very efficient for exp pt's and are sometimes preferred for certain bcnm fights, the fact is that they just can't keep hate AS WELL as a paladin, not saying that they can't keep it, just not as well.
Ninjas are in my opinion the second best tank, especially past level 37 with utsusemi: ni at their disposal. a good ninja can find ways to keep the hate, like by throwing shurikens or casting ninjutsu. true, this can be very expensive, but that's what a ninja has to do to be effective. keep in mind, SE never intended ninja to even be a tank at all, but the fact is that they are very effective at that role, but only if they can keep the hate.
A Warrior's job is a very interesting topic. now, some of you may disagree with me on this, but in my opinion, warriors shouldn't be tanking at all. that's not to say that they can't tank well, but they don't take hits as well as a paladin, and they can't evade attacks like a ninja. in fact, if u were to ask most high level warriors if they would rather tank or DD, i'm positive most would say they would rather DD. once again, not saying they can't tank, but i think warriors are more effective in a pt if they are concentrating on dealing damage. sadly, many warriors get overlooked for pt's because of this misconception that they are just a 3rd choice tank, so if any of u guys need a DD in ur party and u see a warrior with some decent armor, pick him up and watch him do what i think warriors were really meant to do. you might be pleasantly surprised.
Paladin, like you said, is the best tank. that's what we were designed for, we don't get hit hard by mobs, we keep hate very well, and we can cure ourselves, so we basically have the best survivability. while blink tanks can be very efficient for exp pt's and are sometimes preferred for certain bcnm fights, the fact is that they just can't keep hate AS WELL as a paladin, not saying that they can't keep it, just not as well.
Ninjas are in my opinion the second best tank, especially past level 37 with utsusemi: ni at their disposal. a good ninja can find ways to keep the hate, like by throwing shurikens or casting ninjutsu. true, this can be very expensive, but that's what a ninja has to do to be effective. keep in mind, SE never intended ninja to even be a tank at all, but the fact is that they are very effective at that role, but only if they can keep the hate.
A Warrior's job is a very interesting topic. now, some of you may disagree with me on this, but in my opinion, warriors shouldn't be tanking at all. that's not to say that they can't tank well, but they don't take hits as well as a paladin, and they can't evade attacks like a ninja. in fact, if u were to ask most high level warriors if they would rather tank or DD, i'm positive most would say they would rather DD. once again, not saying they can't tank, but i think warriors are more effective in a pt if they are concentrating on dealing damage. sadly, many warriors get overlooked for pt's because of this misconception that they are just a 3rd choice tank, so if any of u guys need a DD in ur party and u see a warrior with some decent armor, pick him up and watch him do what i think warriors were really meant to do. you might be pleasantly surprised.
WAR/PLD is pretty worthless as a Tank. Not enough MP to do anything magic-related, MNK has the same VIT AND higher HP, shields are generally inefficient when it comes to being offensive (Great Axe/Dual Axes all the way.) I guess that leaves Sentinel...still, other subs offer so much more.
I'm not even sure if people use WAR/SAM nowadays. WAR/NIN is all the rage in high-levels, both for the high DoTs and high-damage Rampage, and the ability to blink tank efficiently with the right party setup.
WAR/DRK is equally pointless...the first attack bonus doesn't stack with WAR's because they're both Attack Bonus I, the black magic is worthless (the nukes are fairly useless for a DRK, why would it be any different when subbed?) and one or two extra points in STR aren't worth sacrificing THF, NIN, or MNK subs over.
I'm not even sure if people use WAR/SAM nowadays. WAR/NIN is all the rage in high-levels, both for the high DoTs and high-damage Rampage, and the ability to blink tank efficiently with the right party setup.
WAR/DRK is equally pointless...the first attack bonus doesn't stack with WAR's because they're both Attack Bonus I, the black magic is worthless (the nukes are fairly useless for a DRK, why would it be any different when subbed?) and one or two extra points in STR aren't worth sacrificing THF, NIN, or MNK subs over.
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it may be an odd combo but war/sam is a crazy combo... beserk/thirdeye/rampaging/meditate/rampaging rush again... can ws with two others if possible. and a one handed axe is my favorite weapon.
Scholar
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Well I'm not sure but if I remember correctly (someone can correct me if I'm wrong) but after some patch, /sam will only give you 60 with meditate, and
ramapage will only give you 14tp after first hit thats 74 and 1 tp after each other hit so it will be 78 tp in total, not enough to make rampage again.
ramapage will only give you 14tp after first hit thats 74 and 1 tp after each other hit so it will be 78 tp in total, not enough to make rampage again.
I just got my Razor Axe last night. It was pretty simple. The party was 2 level 53 DRKs, 43 WAR (Me), 44 RDM. Head to K9-K10 as indicated and just clear the area of orcs. Spawn the NMs and concentrate on one. It doesn't even really matter which one you kill first or even if you can't sleep them. They both hit like sissies. But of course, I was not tank, the 2 level 53 DRKs were and they had no problem at all. They both had Berserk/Last Resort/ Soul Eater/ Bloodweapon. We beat the crap out of both NMs and had a hell of a time doing it.
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The Great Axe caps higher than the axe but not by much
Hey, I'm a level 40 warrior right now. And I'm using two Warriors Axes. I'd really like to have this in my inventory to use, but I can only get 1 =(
Is the quest hard for this weapon?
Is the quest hard for this weapon?
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