Passive Ability details for Treasure Hunter  

People say that TH is supposed to be 20 percent, however, are they looking at that as 20 percent of 100 percent chance to drop or 20 percent of whatever the chance to drop is of that item. I see alot of people complaining that they don't see an increase in drop rate, but the thing they need to relize is that 20 percent of 7 percent is only 1.4 percent so your new drop rate would be 8.4 percent NOT 27 percent. The great thing about this skill is that one drops that have a 18 percent drop rate goes above 21 percent. It's nice to have and for uber elite drops where it takes a TON of people to kill a monster you want to increase that drop rate as high as possible, however, TH is not really necessary when hunting for items that have a low drop rate but the monster spawns relatively frequently and is soloable.

well a good way to test TH is by its extremes. try to get TH+4 using the two TH you get from leveling and the two you get from thiefs knife and assassins armlet. there should be a significant increase in drops.

Does TH stack with itself? If i had 4 people in a party (Three with TH and one with TH2) would my drop rates be insane?

I just got this, and it doesn't seem to be making a BIT of difference drop-wise. :/

Ok I just got my thf to 25 and I am still not sure how this TH1 works can anyone please tell me I know its such a noob question. thank you

Treasure hunter can't bring the drop rate up 20% because I've been camping Ooze for days, killed it at least 150 times, and got 4 dodge earrings.
So TH would barely enhance chance of drops. Somebody please give me an accurate raise on the drop.

Here are a few things I've noticed regarding TH and steal. I'm fairly certain in the truth of these (at least for low level thugs, weavers, bats, mandragora, etc.), but they may differ from character to character. As well, some of these may have already been posted, but it doesn't hurt to reiterate things. Anyway, on with it...

(1) Killing mobs as fast as possible (preferably in one hit) increases drop success (with or without TH).

(2) Killing or stealing from directly behind the mob increases the chance of a drop or a steal.

(3) A 4-leaf mandragora bud increases the drop rate (even with TH). I would avg 1/3 onions per thug before the 4-leaf. I was counting because I was saving for a Traveler's Mantle. After I got a 4-leaf (it needs to be in your inventory), I went to 2/5. This does seem like a falable increase, but I averaged this over the course of about 200 thugs (before and after the 4-leaf). It only takes up one space, so steal one from Tom Tit Tat and try it yourself.

(4) I seem to get more drops at night and on Ice day (One of those strange things that THF's notice -- I am getting a lot of drops all of a sudden). I looked at my stats and my ice resistance is my highest. Any corollation?

(5) I seem to get more drops when switching up enemy types, going to a new area, or killing the dumb mob that's been wandering around forever.

Now for some questions:

Does charisma effect drop or steal success?
What attributes effect drop or steal success?
Any items or equipment that raise TH ability?

Cheers,

Mahlek

Yes, TH does effect all drops including Rare/Ex, SE themselves came out on an interview and confirmed this. Straight from the mules mouth, you shouldn't need any more proof.

Yes it helps with rare drops. Ok, just to clarify, it is random, meaning even a thf can spend hours waiting for a drop, however, I harvest Saruta cotton, and Silk in Tarungi Canyon (sp). It would take me 4 hours to get 1 stack of Saruta cotton and 1 stack of silk thread. Once I hit 15 I now get 2 stacks of cotton every hour, and I have yet to get more then 6 Silk threads (over 8 hours of farming since I hit 15). Silk thread is still a rare drop in the canyon... but saruta cotton is also a rare drop. I do admit I attempt to steal the cotton every 5 minutes as well as defeat Pygmois (sp). And I kill about 5 pygmois to every canyon crawler. So, there is no consistancy to the success of the ability, and I have also found that there are other influences on drops (such as the element of the day seems to influence the rate of drops). Most thf's have noticed that some days they are hot, and some they are not. I have been tracking this and found some interesting correlations with it, but I will leave that for other people to draw their own conclusions.
As to the stack ability of the THF, I can not confirm that, however, it does seem that way (just with working with other thf's).
I have found that most ppl think it is bizarre that I get a skull drop from about 50% of the ghouls I fight, however, It took me until 500 exp from lvl 18 to get my Damselfly worm... Both the skull and the worm are rare drops.
For those familiar with previous versions of Final Fantasy, there used to be a hidden Success rate associated w/ each item. Different Treasure hunting techs (e.g. X had an item that increased rare drops) would would add on to the base success rates. E.g. if an item had a 5% success rate, and you had an ability that added 20%, your chance was now 25%. Quite the simple concept. However, you will notice, in XI it is not that simple. Since the items that increase the TH ability are not listed as % (this is to hinder ones ability to correctly associate values to them), they are listed as base numbers (e.g. +3 Teasure Hunter). Now does that mean +3%... not likely, but possibly.

So, to sum up my rant.
Treasure Hunter ups the ability to find all items.
All items have an inate % of find
TH adds to that based an unknown algorithm
Different abilities can add to it
and for the weirdo's out there that think a thf has to hit last... IT IS A PASSIVE ABILITY, it is not an attack. It simply happens, stop trying to complicate parties and get ppl killed.
Oh, and since Treasure is pooled off of each person idividually (the only little secret I will share at this point). Treasure hunter does not stack, however, for each item pooled from a mob, each thf's treasure hunter ability is hit... so it is not a stacked abiility, it is a concurrent ability. So more thf's = more likely chance of getting drops. My proof. Crystals. How many crystals do you get in a pt. One for each member that has signet. Each person is pooled individually to determine their chance of getting a crystal. One crystal is alloted for each person with signet, and depending on the success (which appears to be rank based) a crystal is allocated to the pt. Now mobs have the same thing w/ their treasure. Take a Sheep from the Highlands. They carry 3 Sheep Skins, 1 Tooth, 1 G. Sheep Meat, and 1 Earth Crystal*. So if the first person in the pt is pooled and gets 2 sheep skins. The next is pooled, there is now only 1 skin left, and the rest of the items. They pool nothing. Next person is pooled and gets the last sheep skin and a tooth, while the final person, only gets the meat... no one else in the pt will need to be pooled at this point since their is no treasure left. Try this as a non-thf. You should find that your drop rates in pts is always better then that alone. As a matter of fact, in the Dunes you should notice that almost every fight has a drop. However, when soloing, even common items do not drop every fight. Now, who knows, there may even be a penalty applied per player in a pt to help balance the drops per person (this is suspect on my part). But you begin to see the complexit of the treasure hunter ability, and why such simple, It works, or it doesn't work theories do not "work". There is more going on then simple observation can detect. Play with it. Count the drops. Pay attention to what each mob drops when you farm and when you pt. Just because you are a thf, or you have a thf, does not mean that you are going to get rare drops. But just because you may not get rare drops does not mean it doesn't help.

Think about it...
(sorry for the lecture, most of this is just a brain dump).

Going out today With to lvl 15 thf Subs to find my Carbuncle Ruby .. Ill let you know of my findings but i dont think There is anyway to tell unless somebody Does a Servey with 1 thf (kill abot 100 mobs and save results) ..and then 2 thfs (kill another 100 mobs and save results) ..compare the two ... If anybody has done this or something similar post here ..this is a highly thought about question for my LS


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Well I'm not sure the official on this but I will take into Consideration exactly what Treasure hunter says it does and that is "Increases Chance of Treasure dropping" and the term "Treasure" is VERY general... it might as well mean ALL treasure Including RARES and Uniques.. but I don't know for sure.. the word is too General.