According to the Spring 2004 Strategy Guide, the Prime Element table on page 30, shows the "Rock, Paper, Scissors" effect of the elements in Final Fantasy.
I think this chart clears up the whole "Damage Over Time" (DoT) spell controversy.
Also my experience in watching the Battle Spam in parties seems to show the same flow of elements.
These Spells are as follows;
DIA (DEF down effect)
BIO (ATK down effect)
BURN (INT down effect)
FROST (AGI down effect)
CHOKE (VIT down effect)
RASP (DEX down effect)
SHOCK (MND down effect)
DROWN (STR down eefect)
Charts reads as follows;
Light Cancels Dark
Dark Cancels Light
Fire Cancels Ice
Ice Cancels Wind
Wind Cancels Earth
Earth Cancels Thunder
Thunder Cancels Water
Water Cancels Fire
so if we replace the Element in the chart with a DoT spell;
DIA Cancels BIO
BIO Cancels DIA
BURN Cancels FROST
FROST Cancels CHOKE
CHOKE Cancels RASP
RASP Cancels SHOCK
SHOCK Cancels DROWN
DROWN Cancels BURN
According to the chart the only 2 spells that can cancel each other are DIA (Light) & BIO (Dark)
All others follow the "Rock, Paper, Scissors" Rule (Frost Cannot cancel Burn, Choke Cannot cancel Frost, etc.) (although some believe Dia & Bio are based on which ever spell is the higher level stronger one cancels the other & there is validity to that claim)
So I hope this helps clear up some things. Please don't rebutt this post with more hearsay & unconfirmed theories. I got this all out of the game rules, if you think its wrong or not entirely correct, test it for yourself. All I know is that when a fellow BLM casts BURN, my FROST "Has no effect" which according to chart, follows the game's logic.
Happy Nuking.
Edited, Wed Sep 28 17:41:49 2005
Spell details for Bio II
| Jobs/Level: | Dark Knight, lvl 40 Red Mage, lvl 36 Black Mage, lvl 35 |
|---|---|
| MP cost: | 66 |
| Element: | Darkness |
| Scroll: | Scroll of Bio II |
| Duration: | N/A |
| Reuse: | 5 Seconds |
| Cast time: | 1.5 seconds |
| Target Type: | Single |
| Description: | Deals dark damage that weakens an enemy's attacks and gradually reduces its HP. |
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Thus, Bio overwrites and blocks Dia.
Dia II overwrites and blocks Bio.
Bio II overwrites and blocks Dia II.
Dia II overwrites and blocks Bio.
Bio II overwrites and blocks Dia II.
This is absolutely correct and can be easily tested.
Yes, I have tested this myself. With regard to Dia and Bio, you are simply wrong.
Testing on a Dhalmel which checks as high defence naturally, but only just so dia takes it down to normal defence:
Cast Dia -> No HD so dia effect is active
Cast Bio -> HD so dia effect has been removed
Cast Dia -> HD so dia had no effect
Cast Dia II -> No HD so dia is active
Cast Bio -> No HD so dia was not removed
Cast Bio II -> HD so dia was removed
Cast Dia II -> HD so dia had no effect
I've repeated this several times, and it is always consistent.
Thus, Bio overwrites and blocks Dia.
Dia II overwrites and blocks Bio.
Bio II overwrites and blocks Dia II.
Testing on a Dhalmel which checks as high defence naturally, but only just so dia takes it down to normal defence:
Cast Dia -> No HD so dia effect is active
Cast Bio -> HD so dia effect has been removed
Cast Dia -> HD so dia had no effect
Cast Dia II -> No HD so dia is active
Cast Bio -> No HD so dia was not removed
Cast Bio II -> HD so dia was removed
Cast Dia II -> HD so dia had no effect
I've repeated this several times, and it is always consistent.
Thus, Bio overwrites and blocks Dia.
Dia II overwrites and blocks Bio.
Bio II overwrites and blocks Dia II.
Scholar
49 posts
Diaga overwrites Bio.
All others follow the "Rock, Paper, Scissors" Rule (Frost Cannot cancel Burn, Choke Cannot cancel Frost, etc.) (although some believe Dia & Bio are based on which ever spell is the higher level stronger one cancels the other & there is validity to that claim)
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41 posts
This spells DoT is based on dark skill, and the initial damage is about 50 when you first get it.
Attack is lowered by 10%
If my LS is right on this, I think it now stacks with Dia
Attack is lowered by 10%
If my LS is right on this, I think it now stacks with Dia
5 posts
Dia and Bio are the smae spells .... only differences I see is this:
1) Bio is Dark element, Dia is Light
2) Bio drops Atk, Dia drops Def
3) Bio cancels Dia out.
You Choose....
Later
42 DRK / 35 THF / 19 MNK / 18 NIN
1) Bio is Dark element, Dia is Light
2) Bio drops Atk, Dia drops Def
3) Bio cancels Dia out.
You Choose....
Later
42 DRK / 35 THF / 19 MNK / 18 NIN
(Congratulations!) Way to spam something no one really cares about!
35 posts
Does anything drop Bio II scroll?
Ok most of the time I use this and 50dmg to even the tuffer mobs! so its a good spell!
4 posts
You are right it only costs 36 now
the 9/13 patch made this a lot stronger. the DOT is determined by your Dark magic skill now. I just tested this and killed a goblin smithy with 2 castings of bio II. looks like it drains 15-20 hp per tick with 240-ish dark skill.
MP costs was also reduced... 36 or so...? i forget
Edited, Tue Sep 14 18:08:29 2004
MP costs was also reduced... 36 or so...? i forget
Edited, Tue Sep 14 18:08:29 2004
13 posts
Anyone know where to buy this spell from a Magic shop. AH is too much for me.
You can get it in Selbina.
8 posts
Yea, but still ill say Bio 2 is a really good spell if your the type to want to solo.
Dia II is preferred over Bio II because Dia II decreases the MOB's defense by 10%, allowing the melee to deal more damage. Also, Dia II is less expensive (in terms of MP cost) than Bio II. Decreasing attack does not help much because it does not speed up the killing of the MOB. You can argue that it saves MP, but I'll just say that Dia II saves MP also, because the faster you kill a MOB, the more MP the main healer can save.
I also prefer Dia over Bio in most cases, but I wonder if Bio (or Bio II) would be better against mobs with killer special attacks such as spiders with sickle slash, and bats with jetstream, since neither mob has that great a defense to start with.
At least, I think I'm going to start asking our RDM if she'll use Bio II on certain mobs since I can use Acid Bolts to lower defense. I'm assuming this would work, but correct me if I'm wrong since I believe it is understood that Bio overwrites Dia but I doubt it would overwrite an Acid Bolt affect.
At least, I think I'm going to start asking our RDM if she'll use Bio II on certain mobs since I can use Acid Bolts to lower defense. I'm assuming this would work, but correct me if I'm wrong since I believe it is understood that Bio overwrites Dia but I doubt it would overwrite an Acid Bolt affect.
This may be true in almost all cases except MOBs that are weak to Dark elements. A perfect example would be Crawlers, and since many of us start XPing in the Crawler's Nest at level 35-36 (when this spell is available to BLM and RDM), it would seem that Bio 2 would be more preferable than Dia 2 in this case. Seems like a necessary spell for BLMs and RDMs as soon as they get it.
Drops attack by 10%, does intial damage of 50+ (with decent dark skill) unknown how much damage over time it does.
23 posts
I'm told it does ~ 60 dammage when cast, lowers attack by 10 %, and deals 2 dammage a tick
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Anyone have any idea exactly how much damage this spell does over time and how much it drops ATK?
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