Strike Baghnakhs
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Purely DPS wise it is always hard to figure out h2h weapons but from wiki posts it seems that these are better than the nq knuckles and worse than the hq ones. However it is very close just pick whichever is easiest for u to get using conquest points and goldsmithing or camping the nm.
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are these worthy of paying for if you already have brass knuckles +1?
Same damage.
pros: less delay, slight boost to crit chance
cons: 2 dex as I understand = 1 accuracy. -2 acc. vs BK +1's
Same damage.
pros: less delay, slight boost to crit chance
cons: 2 dex as I understand = 1 accuracy. -2 acc. vs BK +1's
I got these yesterday when i was adventuring i ghelsba im on server Garuda private message me for a deal!!!
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fyi pup can use these
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So the debate between this weapon and the Republic Knuckles/Legionairres knuckles while legit doesn't make so much sense to me. Your adding almost 30 delay for 1 dmg and 1 accuracy. I say 1 accuracy becuase 2 dex=1 accuracy. So u are essentially getting a +1 there and an increase in crits.
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ok some are saying the knuckles are better... think about it knuckles have the HIGHEST delay of all H2H weapons these are in the 40's which is low for claws, claws normally sit in the 60's knuckles sit in the 90's ; ; so tell me how a lvl 15 thf is better off with knuckles? mnk maybe better of w knuckles but im talkin about thf here.
Something to consider... Martial Arts changes everything about h2h. But what's weird is that the speed gets capped. That sucks because it makes the awesome delay on these things worthless.
As a level 25 thf/mnk I hit at exactly the same speed whether i use strike baghnaks, republic knuckles, or lynx baghnaks. I just confirmed that about 20 minutes ago with all 3 weapons. Roughly 6-7 seconds between each pair of hits. By the way... both the republic and the lynx were consistently higher damage for my SA too. The +2 dex just wasn't enough.
So Calypsa is right in saying if yer mnk... knuckles are better... if you are not mnk/ or /mnk then what are you using h2h for anyway? I guess if you're a warrior with max axe and Gaxe and you aren't tanking...
Anyway, since the delay isn't a factor with martial arts... go with the republic every time.
Or if you are just starting... get the legionnaire knuckles at level 10 with conquest points...
Then when you level to 15... find a nice goldsmith that will do a combine for you. Make sure to give him everything he needs... Legionnaire's knuckles + fire crystal + brass ingot. If you are in a hurry or something... anyone with 19 or more goldsmithing can turn this in to Bastokan Knuckles. A higher level smith has a better chance of getting Republic Knuckles instead. You never know though. It's only a chance. I had someone with 22 goldsmithing craft me the Bastokan Knuckles. I was satisfied with them until I got Lynx Baghnaks for cheap.
Scholar
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These were 34k on Slyph in Sandy.
I tried to buy them for 4k.
Worked.
HAHAHAHAHA!!
I tried to buy them for 4k.
Worked.
HAHAHAHAHA!!
How do these compare to Republic Knuckles?
1) You can camp these, you can't camp republic knuckles. Have to craft them.
2) Lower level
3) These are the best knuckles up until level 30 almost. Nuff said.
I guess it's just preference. But the NM isn't lottery spawn, you know when and where it'll be. Also, weapon Skills do damage based on your attributes, like dex, str, chr, mnd, int, bla bla blah. Attack and Evasion, those don't affect weapon skill damage.
2) Lower level
3) These are the best knuckles up until level 30 almost. Nuff said.
I guess it's just preference. But the NM isn't lottery spawn, you know when and where it'll be. Also, weapon Skills do damage based on your attributes, like dex, str, chr, mnd, int, bla bla blah. Attack and Evasion, those don't affect weapon skill damage.
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Okay as a non noob DD but a noob mnk heres my thoughts. I'm a 61 drk/thf and roughly even with mnk overall dmg. This figures in WSs, my Magic, Skillchains and SATA and what not. I've learned that mnks are just probably not gonna put up 200-300 dmg an attack...just ain't gonna happen. They get the dmg through mass numbers of attacks, I mean honestly its why we all love 100 fists soo much as well. So the debate between this weapon and the Republic Knuckles/Legionairres knuckles while legit doesn't make so much sense to me. Your adding almost 30 delay for 1 dmg and 1 accuracy. I say 1 accuracy becuase 2 dex=1 accuracy. So u are essentially getting a +1 there and an increase in crits. I would definetly say roll with these knuckles.
Amen, these aren't the easiest item to find, but it's not impossible (like a Cassie Earring for example).
After the clock struck --14-- in the dunes last night I immediately fell in love!
I was using Brass Knuckles +1, a great hand-to-hand weapon, but let's face it...strike baghnakhs give you +2 dexterity (same as a Balance ring!), and have half the weapon timer delay of Brass Knuckles+1, as well as a bit more damage.
For the level, they are without question (in my opinion) worth the 20,000 gil (thereabouts) that they cost. Sell your armor to buy this, and run around naked if you're a monk at level 14!
You're not a tank anyway? You're a damage dealer. Nothings trying to hit you when you're in a party if the tank is doing his job, so if you have a choice...that's right...you guessed it...
P A R T Y N A K E D
:)
After the clock struck --14-- in the dunes last night I immediately fell in love!
I was using Brass Knuckles +1, a great hand-to-hand weapon, but let's face it...strike baghnakhs give you +2 dexterity (same as a Balance ring!), and have half the weapon timer delay of Brass Knuckles+1, as well as a bit more damage.
For the level, they are without question (in my opinion) worth the 20,000 gil (thereabouts) that they cost. Sell your armor to buy this, and run around naked if you're a monk at level 14!
You're not a tank anyway? You're a damage dealer. Nothings trying to hit you when you're in a party if the tank is doing his job, so if you have a choice...that's right...you guessed it...
P A R T Y N A K E D
:)
Couldn't find one in San d'Oria last night on Auction House. I'll keep looking.
Price history on these on the Fairy Server is 20,000 gil. Strange, because Brass Knuckles +1 are going for exactly the same thing, and these are far superior. Oh well... ^^
Price history on these on the Fairy Server is 20,000 gil. Strange, because Brass Knuckles +1 are going for exactly the same thing, and these are far superior. Oh well... ^^
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ok, 1st thing 1st, i have had a ton of Exp, playing FFXI, (about to break 200 days playtime)
i say this not to brag, but to let you know i know what i'm talking about.
1. of course thf should have their dagger skills up to par, but, honestly. the dagger is gimp, very gimp, daggers actually blow till 33 when you get viper bite, i mean what are you gonna do? SATA wasp sting lmao, anyways, H2H is the best way to go for a thf till 20's, then you can switch to swords and maybe sub nin, why mnk sub? mnks get a job trait that enhances H2H basically makes you attack faster, you dont need the sub to use the WS thf gets MOST of the H2H WS if not all, that im not sure on but i know the 1st few thf can use w/o mnk sub, but why you would use H2H and not sub mnk is beyond me,
2. these Strike Baghnakhs are awesome, they are a very kickass pair of claws, i should slap whoever said otherwise on this post, some have had bad luck, but maybe its not in the claws, maybe its just them and they have 0 skill, sure only 2 dex, but 2 dex here 1 dex there 3 dex over there, it adds up!, DEXterity affects critical hit damage as well !! more dex more crit dmg, Sneak attack will make next attack a crit hit, ill say it again more dex more dmg
3. ok some are saying the knuckles are better... think about it knuckles have the HIGHEST delay of all H2H weapons these are in the 40's which is low for claws, claws normally sit in the 60's knuckles sit in the 90's ; ; so tell me how a lvl 15 thf is better off with knuckles? mnk maybe better of w knuckles but im talkin about thf here.
4. most of the gear you buy is a given, but to get the most out of your gimp-till-33-thf do this.. = lvl 1 it doesnt really matter what gear you use other than weapon, go H2H you will deal more dmg than a dagger or swd could think of, and rocket to 10 in no time to start xping with parties in valkrum upgrade accordingly, if you have the gil buy the leaping boots or hunt them w/e just get them at all means if you can, at 14 buy strike baghnakhs, the dex rings(suggestivly the +1's but base is ok if you are new and thf 1st choice job) and buy the battle gloves, as far as everything else goes.. just fit your thf best you can, just those 3 items make a huge difference.
5. i realize this post is for the strikes themselves but peeps brought up thf using them and pro's/con's so imma stay on the page and post here, when you get 20 you can finally get dual weild, it is nice to hold 2 weapons aint it? actually had someone ask me if you can use 2 sets of H2H with dualweild >.> wtf were they smoking?
anyways small swords are nice to have thats +4 dex with 2 of them not bad delay its a rapier type weapon, here you will do and only want to do sata fast blade, remebr no daggers unless you want your pt to blow and slow the time to get you to 33, when you reach 28 here is a hint: buy the lvl 25 crossbow, bloody bolts, sleep bolts, 2 archer knives, +1 beetle rings, now; solo thats right solo, with thf on yuhtunga mandragoras, these will check T to you but you can eat them alive with bloody bolts and have plenty of hp for chains 2 and maybe 3 ( i did this with rng, war, and drk as well missed a bit more with war and drk but it works), reapin in 200xp a fight(note: marksmanship has to be up to par for this too work) this will help you a ton because you will notice at 15 even noone but you knows how sneak attack works, and tryin to get some idiot to stand behind the mob for sata when you hit 30 is the most aggravating thing in the world, most others who have no previous exp with thf, wont figure it out till the 40's sadly, anyway solo those mandys till 30-31, then head to yhoater jungle and start takin those out, till you get your 33, this for me was actually fast i got 28-30 in a few hours, much faster than a pt because i had literally no downtime, why i mentioned the sleep bolts i will tell you now, thfs get the best evasion in the game as well as nin, doesnt mean youll dodge everything, but when you feel the urge to refresh utsusemi equip the sleep bolts sleep the mob ReUp your Uts' and back to bloody bolts, also i wanna add, mandragoras are MNK type, they hit weak but fast also they use gaurding skills, you cant gaurd ranged attacks so thats useless for them and good for you, at 29 i wanna say get noct gear it is great for thf the brais, i suggest unless your RSE add more dex, in my case nothin beats elvaan F chausses, anyways i wanted to give you new thfs some tips on how to get yourself to a party friendly lvl, other words to where you arent gimped w a crap dagger skill, as well as clear up confusion w the strike baghnahks, once more thf 1-20 H2H, 20-28 swords, 28-up daggers, right now my thf is 50 i have the gil so i go w this setup for now, THF/NIN
corsairs knife, bone knife +1, lifebelt(acc)/forrest belt(dex), emperors hairpin, leaping boots, brigadines, bat cape, elvaan F chausses, elvaan F gloves, drone earrings, arbelast +1/ combat casters boomerang +2, spike necklace, snipers rings x 2(acc)/deft rings x 2(dex). now i go for the accuracy until SATA, then i swap into dex gear for sata using macros to change the gear automatically, (you cannot miss a clean set up sata), accuracy is important as thf you do so little dmg you rely more on your TP you need to get to 100 as fast as possible to execute the SC's but like i said you cant miss sata if done correctly so no need for acc there go for dex. well GL to ya new thfs, if you have any things suggesting otherwise to my post or questions let me know
6. barrage won't outdamage sata viperbite, on IT flys in crawlers nest i would sata viper bite them for an average of 640 dmg, i broke 700 once or twice as lvl 47-48, yes it wont deal as much to the beetles in garliage citadel but i would do 450-500 on those, ive yet to see barrage surpass that kind of damage that i can pull off about every minute, mind you with the acc i have id have 100% tp just about 1 minutes time,
anyways, long post sorry im bored been campin this nm forever he hasnt popped yet GL!! :D
RDM74/DRK54/THF50/RNG50/
i say this not to brag, but to let you know i know what i'm talking about.
1. of course thf should have their dagger skills up to par, but, honestly. the dagger is gimp, very gimp, daggers actually blow till 33 when you get viper bite, i mean what are you gonna do? SATA wasp sting lmao, anyways, H2H is the best way to go for a thf till 20's, then you can switch to swords and maybe sub nin, why mnk sub? mnks get a job trait that enhances H2H basically makes you attack faster, you dont need the sub to use the WS thf gets MOST of the H2H WS if not all, that im not sure on but i know the 1st few thf can use w/o mnk sub, but why you would use H2H and not sub mnk is beyond me,
2. these Strike Baghnakhs are awesome, they are a very kickass pair of claws, i should slap whoever said otherwise on this post, some have had bad luck, but maybe its not in the claws, maybe its just them and they have 0 skill, sure only 2 dex, but 2 dex here 1 dex there 3 dex over there, it adds up!, DEXterity affects critical hit damage as well !! more dex more crit dmg, Sneak attack will make next attack a crit hit, ill say it again more dex more dmg
3. ok some are saying the knuckles are better... think about it knuckles have the HIGHEST delay of all H2H weapons these are in the 40's which is low for claws, claws normally sit in the 60's knuckles sit in the 90's ; ; so tell me how a lvl 15 thf is better off with knuckles? mnk maybe better of w knuckles but im talkin about thf here.
4. most of the gear you buy is a given, but to get the most out of your gimp-till-33-thf do this.. = lvl 1 it doesnt really matter what gear you use other than weapon, go H2H you will deal more dmg than a dagger or swd could think of, and rocket to 10 in no time to start xping with parties in valkrum upgrade accordingly, if you have the gil buy the leaping boots or hunt them w/e just get them at all means if you can, at 14 buy strike baghnakhs, the dex rings(suggestivly the +1's but base is ok if you are new and thf 1st choice job) and buy the battle gloves, as far as everything else goes.. just fit your thf best you can, just those 3 items make a huge difference.
5. i realize this post is for the strikes themselves but peeps brought up thf using them and pro's/con's so imma stay on the page and post here, when you get 20 you can finally get dual weild, it is nice to hold 2 weapons aint it? actually had someone ask me if you can use 2 sets of H2H with dualweild >.> wtf were they smoking?
anyways small swords are nice to have thats +4 dex with 2 of them not bad delay its a rapier type weapon, here you will do and only want to do sata fast blade, remebr no daggers unless you want your pt to blow and slow the time to get you to 33, when you reach 28 here is a hint: buy the lvl 25 crossbow, bloody bolts, sleep bolts, 2 archer knives, +1 beetle rings, now; solo thats right solo, with thf on yuhtunga mandragoras, these will check T to you but you can eat them alive with bloody bolts and have plenty of hp for chains 2 and maybe 3 ( i did this with rng, war, and drk as well missed a bit more with war and drk but it works), reapin in 200xp a fight(note: marksmanship has to be up to par for this too work) this will help you a ton because you will notice at 15 even noone but you knows how sneak attack works, and tryin to get some idiot to stand behind the mob for sata when you hit 30 is the most aggravating thing in the world, most others who have no previous exp with thf, wont figure it out till the 40's sadly, anyway solo those mandys till 30-31, then head to yhoater jungle and start takin those out, till you get your 33, this for me was actually fast i got 28-30 in a few hours, much faster than a pt because i had literally no downtime, why i mentioned the sleep bolts i will tell you now, thfs get the best evasion in the game as well as nin, doesnt mean youll dodge everything, but when you feel the urge to refresh utsusemi equip the sleep bolts sleep the mob ReUp your Uts' and back to bloody bolts, also i wanna add, mandragoras are MNK type, they hit weak but fast also they use gaurding skills, you cant gaurd ranged attacks so thats useless for them and good for you, at 29 i wanna say get noct gear it is great for thf the brais, i suggest unless your RSE add more dex, in my case nothin beats elvaan F chausses, anyways i wanted to give you new thfs some tips on how to get yourself to a party friendly lvl, other words to where you arent gimped w a crap dagger skill, as well as clear up confusion w the strike baghnahks, once more thf 1-20 H2H, 20-28 swords, 28-up daggers, right now my thf is 50 i have the gil so i go w this setup for now, THF/NIN
corsairs knife, bone knife +1, lifebelt(acc)/forrest belt(dex), emperors hairpin, leaping boots, brigadines, bat cape, elvaan F chausses, elvaan F gloves, drone earrings, arbelast +1/ combat casters boomerang +2, spike necklace, snipers rings x 2(acc)/deft rings x 2(dex). now i go for the accuracy until SATA, then i swap into dex gear for sata using macros to change the gear automatically, (you cannot miss a clean set up sata), accuracy is important as thf you do so little dmg you rely more on your TP you need to get to 100 as fast as possible to execute the SC's but like i said you cant miss sata if done correctly so no need for acc there go for dex. well GL to ya new thfs, if you have any things suggesting otherwise to my post or questions let me know
6. barrage won't outdamage sata viperbite, on IT flys in crawlers nest i would sata viper bite them for an average of 640 dmg, i broke 700 once or twice as lvl 47-48, yes it wont deal as much to the beetles in garliage citadel but i would do 450-500 on those, ive yet to see barrage surpass that kind of damage that i can pull off about every minute, mind you with the acc i have id have 100% tp just about 1 minutes time,
anyways, long post sorry im bored been campin this nm forever he hasnt popped yet GL!! :D
RDM74/DRK54/THF50/RNG50/
HAHA!!!! I'm 3/4 on both mobs! I kick so much ***... LOL
ROFL i'm 0/17 on BOTH. I've never gotten drop! even with TH1.
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0/2 for both mobs :( 26/10 rdm/thf
The +3 or even +2 acc claws are better...
Accuracy is better than DEX, if you're trying to hit the mobs, if you want more crits, DEX is better I guess.
Still, Republic Knuckles are far better and around the same price.
Accuracy is better than DEX, if you're trying to hit the mobs, if you want more crits, DEX is better I guess.
Still, Republic Knuckles are far better and around the same price.
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if you plan on going to 30 thf, use them!
do this-
1.Buy them for level 14 and use this combo--14THF/7MNK
2.Then get to level 20, and sub nin, as a 20THF/10NIN, then use 2 small swords
3.Then as you go along, find a nice a dagger to replace 1, only 1 sword, cause that +DEX pwns!
4.At 28 im using two archer knives, not to expensive, yet not to cheap, and then ill be on my way farming with my 30THF/15RNG, using my Noct +1 set! WOOT WOOT!
do this-
1.Buy them for level 14 and use this combo--14THF/7MNK
2.Then get to level 20, and sub nin, as a 20THF/10NIN, then use 2 small swords
3.Then as you go along, find a nice a dagger to replace 1, only 1 sword, cause that +DEX pwns!
4.At 28 im using two archer knives, not to expensive, yet not to cheap, and then ill be on my way farming with my 30THF/15RNG, using my Noct +1 set! WOOT WOOT!
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how much o these bad boys cost on lakshmi??
I have the lego knuckles what is better???
I have the lego knuckles what is better???
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Edited, Thu Nov 4 16:13:33 2004
Edited, Thu Nov 4 16:13:33 2004
i used these for quite a while, delay is not bad, and the +2 dex is always nice
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Posted: Aug 16 2004 at 3:16 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) i say kill the mob with a good friend get use it till 20 then sell them earn big
i say kill the mob with a good friend get use it till 20 then sell them earn big
i say kill the mob with a good friend get use it till 20 then sell them earn big
#REDACTED,
Posted: Aug 16 2004 at 3:16 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) i say kill the mob with a good friend get use it till 20 then sell them earn big
#REDACTED,
Posted: Aug 16 2004 at 3:16 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) i say kill the mob with a good friend get use it till 20 then sell them earn big
I notice mostly n00bs post on here, thinking they know it all. This is a nice weapon for a low level, +2 dex, it IS worth the price
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