i bought 2 stacks in sandy AH for 7k each.. on Titan, (just got lvl 12 on nin, and was eager to try it >.>) but in jeuno, they were selling for 6k-6.5k .. =/
Hey guys, I have recently decided to start crafting/woodworking b/c Shihei is too darn expensive. I really need some insight on how to get started and what the make to build skills. I started with some wood turning to lumber. You somebody mind responding with a more in depth (woodworking for dummies) kind of posting? Whoever helps out, you're the best!!
Since the update if you make a purchase from a Bazaar it will ask you if you want to buy the item at such and such price, It will show the total anount of what the transaction will be.
There are some Bazaars that are trying to trick poeple by putting shehei in there bazaar for 4k each (commant "4k full stack 99" ect..) tricken poeple to buy 1 for 4k :S. i make shihei with my character i set my maul mext to that person with shihei for the right price (42-50Gil). weather the othere person knows that im doing that couse there not selling as much (pass) i don't care.
save a notorious monster...kill a gil seller:) shihei are about 15k in starting cities and 19k inn jeuno, and norg is 9k :O so when i need sum i just pop over there and grab some :D they went from 5k to 19k in less than a month >=( just when i got NIN i saw the price increase which screwed me over hard core ><
all the cities are linked to the main cities, kazaa is tied to windy's AH, norg is to sandy. so you saying that its 9k in norg and 15k in sandy is funny because im guessing you didnt really check...they are the same AH lol
do you need the scroll to use this tool or is this what you can use if you dont have the scroll? (on acount of the scroll is so expensive)
please tell me it is the second option... if it isnt i might as well quit ninja and ranger altogether and lvl warrior till about lvl 55ish, wich i DO NOT want to do on acount of i didnt like my warrior job...
edit: heck id rather lvl bard to endgame than have to go thtrough the first option here...
You could also try the far simpler route and do the quest to get Utsusemi: Ichi the scroll. You most definitely have to use the scroll to be able to use the ability! The quest involves a lot of Norg fame, which just takes a little patience in Giddeus, and then it takes a bit of walking around, sneak on, near Norg. Fairly easy, in the end, considering the reward. Don't give up on ninja... it's cool, and you apparently hate warrior...
Ninja isn't the way to go if you want to be an all out Damage Dealer... In fact I have gone quite a few battles with attacking maybe at the most three times the whole time. Ninja takes money and quick timing. In fact I think of myself as tank/support since I am always trying to keep hate and debuff for the BLM, not to mention blind, slow, and paralyze the mob for my own benifit.
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Posted:Feb 24 2005 at 10:18 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) just do the utsusemi quest like the rest of us and stop whining you lazy SOB
Shihei stacks on Fairy have hit an all time high at 15k in Jueno! The cost of bast parchment alone has jumped to 16k a stack. Even in the outlying cities Shihei is currently just over 10k.
Anyone who doesn't lvl nin and synths this stuff to make money SHOULD BE SHOT!! I f#@kin hate you all, you make me sick. Not too long ago the price of shihei was around 5k/stack, now it's gone up to as much as 8-10k/stack!! Has the price of the materials gone WAY up or something? I think you shihei sellers should be ashamed of yourselves. Try lvlin nin, then you'll see how ludacris the prices of this $hit is.
Yes, before you start ranting and raving... please check to see why shiheis are so cheap. The ONLY thing in the game that drops the price of Shihei is loggers dropping the price of Elm Logs down to about 5k each. That way, crafters can turn them into bast parchment stacks for 5k a stack and in turn HQ shiheis at 5k a stack. Normal game price of shihei is a bit over 15k a stack. Trust me when I tell you shihei makers do not make THAT much money, I'm not sure why they do it themselves but they do all ninjas a favor. I am currently at lvl 60 in woodworking and simply too lazy to make my own shihei (since HQing them occasionally would leave it about the same as AH price, made by lvl 80+ woodworkers). Personally, after having taken ranger to 60+, I would like to thank all the shihei crafters for making Shihei affordable. besides, if you were to play ninja as it were meant to be played (using all your other debuffs) shihei are rather cheap. When I play ninja I spend a few hundred k on other tools (Hojo mainly is the killer at 30k stacks @_@) and I farm day in and day out to afford it. If you can't work to play ninja, don't play. Shihei makers have done the world a favor so please thank them the next time you see them.
Before you start just spouting off, you should do some research. I am a lvl 34 nin in Garuda, with woodowrking at 25 now. I am trying to make my own shihei, both to be used and to raise my skill. well, Bast parchment costs just over 2k here in Norg...black ink about 1k from bastok. Assuming no synths fail, thats 6 bast parchments (12k), 3 black inks (3k), and 3 wind crystals(600) per stack. thats a total of 15600 for one stack of 99 shihei. Until I can get my woodworking up to the level of making my own bast parchement, and I can hq my shihei synths, I am losing 5k per stack.
Shihei cost a lot to BUY, because they cost a lot of money to MAKE. But you would have known that if you did a little research.
i actually lose about 7k per stack of wind crystals i use when making shihei. and a stack of wind crystals gets me about 6-7 stacks of shihei. im leveling NIN and Woodworking. the people who are actually making money on this are the ones who can consistently make HQ synths in the amount of 66 and even 99. it takes me 6 bast parchment and 3 black inks to make a stack of shihei.
bast parchment on asura: 13-16k per stack black ink: i dont remember. but its over 10k. wind crystals: 4.5-5k.
i wind up losing about 6.5k per set of materials. 13k when i buy enough materials for 2 stacks of wind crystals.
i'm 66 woodcraft skill . . . and i've noticed a huge drop in exceptional crafts for shihei in the past week. i've only gotten one or two exceptionals from about 5 stacks of ink and 10 stacks of bast parchment. is this just bad luck? or did they change the chance of exceptional synths on this item?
for this item, an alchemy skill of 30 comes in really handy so you can make your own ink and bast parchment (saves a few thousand gil, but is a pain in the butt), and face a certain direction when using wind crystals used to help . . . i guess not anymore though
You HAVE to be able to HQ synth with Shihei to get any profit whatsoever (that means get to lvl 58 woodworking for a 50% chance of HQ). The reason is because bast parchment can only be bought off an NPC in norg and the ink can be bought in Bastok. So, after you run from one end of Vana D'eil to the other you find out that 2 parchments cost you about 1620, a wind crystal about 160-200 (Depending on AH) and ink about 1875 a piece. In turn, 2 parchments, 1 ink and a wind crystal will synth 33 shihei (most of the time) so that 3700 Gil total for 33 shihei x3 = 11k for a stack! Even if you farm for crystals thats still 10.5k a stack. If you HQ synth, then thats where to make double profit, though. 3.7k for every 66-99 shihei HQ synth is not that bad every once in a while.
If there is a way to farm for bast parchment and black ink please let me know.
what really makes you money here is if you can hq black ink...if you are high enough in alchemy, you can get a 'free' stack of inks per 12 synths almost everytime. And that in itself is REALLY good money... and blank ink sells pretty steadily, but no where near as fast as shihei does. On my server(ragnarok) you really make no more gil selling the shihei(barring hq synths) than you do selling the ingredients. But the demand for this stuff is crazy... on a good day, shihei will sell literally as fast as or even faster than you can synth it. Add in the possiblility for hq synths and you're talking about making a lot of money really fast.
Try making the Bast Parchemnt and Black Ink yourself. That makes it MUCH cheaper to craft. The stuff to make it is listed here. And if you wanna go really cheap, fish your own ingredients for the black ink. I just made quite a few stacks at a total cost of maybe 10k plus some time in the game.
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Posted:Jan 09 2005 at 6:19 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I am on Asura and its gotta be the worst server there is. When I first starting buying shihei it was 3.5k a stack now..........its 7.5k a stack. This is ridiculous. It has been shown that the economy on Asura is the worst there is. Come to this server and you will see what they are talking about.
this isn't gilsellers driving up the price as far as i can see. i think the woodworkers who all thought they were going to get rich on HQ'ing this stuff got to 65 (as i did) and still don't see the HQ rate they dreamed of. in my opinion--and i have only once even tried to make money off these--is that people finally wised up. shihei is a neccessity. there is no reason to break even making an item with such demand. i for one am glad that people actually FOUGHT the gilsellers by raising the prices on these because NOW everyone can make money off them, not just gilsellers like "bblkjg" who does nothing but craft 24/7 and HQ these things with his 100 woodworking skill. ok, so granted the gilsellers make more money than they used to, buit at least the market is open to the masses. i for one will take this as a moral victory for the carpenters.
Lol, I was just chatting with "bblkjg", well was trying to.
He was kinda rude, I was asked him what lvl you had to be to make Shihei, he then responded back after 3 /tell's and said 90. I waited a few and asked if he meant he was 90 or had to be 90 to make them, all along knowing it was around the mid 20's to do it.
Then he said no, you have to be 81... ><
I responded back and mentioned this site, and said I though it was in the 20's, and he finally said ya... And did not respond back..
Anyway, I don't know if he is a Gil seller, but I know he has a high Woodworking and Alchemy crafts.. And isnt the nicest person ;p /sigh
wow your server has a gil seller that bothered to get 100 woodworking o_O
My server has had elm logs go up from 5k to 9k in the past month which is used to make bast parchements and then used for shiheis. Theres a group of gilsellers camping logging area in outpost 24/7 I went to log there once and they will just run up and log a point your already logging. So gil sellers are definatly the reason on my server...
I am on Asura and its gotta be the worst server there is. When I first starting buying shihei it was 3.5k a stack now..........its 7.5k a stack. This is ridiculous. It has been shown that the economy on Asura is the worst there is. Come to this server and you will see what they are talking about.
hmm.... I've got to say that leveling on shihei isn't the greatest. i didn't do it personally, but that's because I couldn't find a way to make any money on it. I finally reached woodworking 60, which was my goal so I'm done leveling it for good now. Over the course of all that leveling I made a net profit. knowing everything i know now, if i had to do it all over again, i'd take about 3 weeks, and i know i'd make a lot more money than the first time around. but i still wouldn't level on shihei.
right now i'm leveling weaving, and i'm not sure when i'm going to take a break, but when i do, the next step will be to get alchemy high enough to make the shihei ingrediants, so then i can HQ this synth. that'll be a decent supplementary income. i'm already making decent profits on shinobi-tabi, and i'm keeping my eye out for which other ninja tools sell fast. my friend said that he got to alchemy 35 for around 60K, but i think i could do better. at alchemy 40, the hq rate on black ink will be decent, so i figure that's a good goal.
I decided to skill up w/ shihei @ lvl 23 woodworking. I bought enough to make four stacks and only failed 2 synths, so lvl 23 woodworking in my experience is a good place to start.
If you are suffeciently lower then lvl 60 woodworking, you shouldnt even be trying to synth this.
The only way you will be able to make money on this with woodworking alone is by hqing it. There are ways to increase your profit by about 50%, but thats my secret.
If you are lvling woodworking on this, bad idea, make arrows, much cheaper and faster.
And uh, whoever posted good luck on making money off these, i make 200k a day off shihei. All crafting is about hqing, so you shouldnt pick a cash crop to be an item that is at or above your lvl in woodworking.
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And uh, whoever posted good luck on making money off these, i make 200k a day off shihei.
Lets assume the following. 1: SOME RANDOM PERSON GOES, HERE! TAKE 50 STACKS OF SHIHEI OFF ME AND SELL THEM ON AUCTION HOUSE!!!
2: To move 50 stacks in a day (24 earth hours) you would have to sell them on Jueno AH @ 5k/stack. That is 4500 (5000 - 500) profit * 50 or 225,000.
To get a decent HQ rate, you need to be 50 over cap. At 30 over cap your HQ multiplier is 1.25, at 40 over it is 1.5, and at 50 over it is 1.75. At zero over cap with no blowups you get 4 stacks of Shihei/1 stack of ingredients. At 30 over cap you get (4*1.25) 5 stacks/1 stack of ingredients.
However, your alchemy skill is 40 over cap on black ink, so instead of getting 6 Black Ink/stack you get (6*1.5) = 9 black ink. Your big freaking SECRET is you lower cost of black ink to increase profit margin.
Given my example of moving 50 stacks on Auction House with the cost of good sold = 0, it is not possible to make 200k/day. MAYBE if you farm every single ingredient on MONDAY. Do /sea NIN all and making them the deal of a lifetime on TUESDAY (line up buyers), and then synth and sell on deliver to people who all pre-paid gil in advance on WEDNESDAY it *COULD* happen. Opo-opo (monkeys) could also fly out of my bung hole.
EVEN if you make 2k margin/stack sold you would need to move 100 stacks/day. You would need to be in a NIN only linkshell, have mules at every save point/home point and undercut the auction house to move that much in a day.
YES it sells fast, yes it sells often, yes it can be profitable if you are 79 Woodworking, 55 Alchemy, but not 200k/day profitable.
156k PROFIT or REVENUE? 156k Revenue means jack. You could spent 155k to make that 156k and only get 1k profit.
Since you said 6 hours to make 156k I assume you farmed and synthed everything which could bring you to 156k, but I can't believe that you farmed every ingredient, synthed everything, and sold all the resultant product in six hours. To be fair, you didn't claim to farm, synth, sell everything in six hours, but IF you did, I'm in the wrong craft ;)
For me a full toolbag of Shihei will cost me about 50k to make. I make 50k in profit off of these usually.
It takes me an hour to synth of two full toolbags provided I have my black ink, and bast parchment ready. 100k profit plus my cost in an hours time is good for me.
This is how high lvl wood crafters make money. At lvl 60 if you sythed this on darks day I bet about 75% of the time you would get 99 sheshi and the other times you would gett 66. Its a great way to make gil.
Hey.. iv noticed ppl askin about cheap Black ink.. im not sure how much it goes for but NPC in Bastok mines sells it Maymunah (Bastok Mines) Odoba (Bastok Mines)
If u Scroll up to the top of this page and click on Black ink it will tell where its sold
my Wood working is 21 i am too tryin to get it to lvl 28-30 quickly.. it seems kinda expensive.. but then again.. its only get more Expenive *Sigh*
Lets just say makin these wasnt a money making experience, started with 2 stacks of bast, and wind, 1 stack of ink. Woodworking skill 22. Yeild: about 2 1/2 stacks of Shihei. Skill gain: .9 Cost aprox 20k. Due to working on ninja and woodworking its not bad, just paid double the price for my Shihei and gained a little skill out of it. Good luck all.
costs 221 for me at Amalasanda, the Tenshodo NPC in Lower Jeuno, inside Tenshodo HQ. Obviously you must be a Tenshodo member to get inside. Btw i have level 4 Norg (tenshodo?) fame.
Does anyone know what the items to make it cost at the NPCs? on my server its about 7-8k for a stack of black ink and about 5.5k for a stack of bast parchments at the AH. and at 5k for a stack of shihei thats hardy worth making. you should be able to save money from crafting....not lose it. /sigh