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Update today
I contacted POL Support and they were basically expecting my call and the guy took some info and the GM Manager is to contact me today it seems.
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And the drama continues. It's like Soaps for MMORPG. Will Yopoompo get satisfaction or will the evil corporate GM? Stay tuned. ^.^
I'd love to hear more info on this. Quite a few threads get started in this direction, but only a tiny handful of posters picked up the story once they found out why they got suspended. Do let us know what it is the GMs think you did. I'd love to see the sGM's reply on this matter.
Funniest part of the text exchange:
Just amused me that you posted all that, essentially making the GMs point for him.
Funniest part of the text exchange:
paraphrased wrote:
You: Tell me what I did wrong.
GM: I can't tell you, as it could reveal the methods we used to catch you. You'll post about this, others will read it, and it will make players able to cheat more easily.
You: Tell me.
GM: No.
GM: I can't tell you, as it could reveal the methods we used to catch you. You'll post about this, others will read it, and it will make players able to cheat more easily.
You: Tell me.
GM: No.
Just amused me that you posted all that, essentially making the GMs point for him.
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I was attempting to resolve an ongoing situation with a harrasser, and Thunderan told me that slander wasn't against the TOS (neither applicable nor true),
Odd. Just a couple weeks ago, someone was slandering me. I called a GM, and lo and behold, Thunderan comes and tells me the EXACT SAME THING. >_>
Either it really isnt against the rules (which I would find hard to believe) or Thunderan REALLY is the asshat you guys have made him out to be. At least he was nice to me during the conversation--despite the fact that I was unhappy with the outcome.
Thunderan went on to say, "You can slander him, but beware: you may find trouble being accepted in the FFXI community if you choose to do so."
If that isnt a go ahead for starting all-out FFXI slander-fests, I dont know what is.
Scholar
23 posts
I'm sorry, guys. I just can not buy into what Yopoompo is feeding this thread.
First, the title is misleading. Last time I checked, a 72-hour suspension is not a ban. Also, for someone so quick to list up SE's contact info, it took the OP an hour before Thunderan's name was even brought into the thread. Questionable as hell to me. If a GM did me wrong, I'd sure as hell have the name in the first post, and many times for emphasis.
Second, the OP lost me with the claim of the GM using ebonics to throw him off. In the log I didn't even see anything remotely close to ebonics, or even netspeak. Just bad grammar and typos. And is it just me, but if you take away the names Thantos and [GM]Thunderan from the log, doesn't it look like it is just one person arguing with himself? The wording of the sentences and typos are practically the same.
Third, it is hard to buy stories from accounts made a day ago, and the only posts from the accounts has been in the thread the person started to garner attention. Check out the thread that the OP started on ffxionline. He joined the forum yesterday, has the convincing sig and stats and all, but all four posts I could find on him were in the 'banned for nuffin' thread. Reeks of sockpuppet and mostly troll to me.
This all seems to me to be someone taking advantage of GM's unpopularity to stir up trouble, and the OP keeps on saying just the right things to keep the drama going.
Edited, Mon Mar 13 14:54:48 2006 by ReiAkari
First, the title is misleading. Last time I checked, a 72-hour suspension is not a ban. Also, for someone so quick to list up SE's contact info, it took the OP an hour before Thunderan's name was even brought into the thread. Questionable as hell to me. If a GM did me wrong, I'd sure as hell have the name in the first post, and many times for emphasis.
Second, the OP lost me with the claim of the GM using ebonics to throw him off. In the log I didn't even see anything remotely close to ebonics, or even netspeak. Just bad grammar and typos. And is it just me, but if you take away the names Thantos and [GM]Thunderan from the log, doesn't it look like it is just one person arguing with himself? The wording of the sentences and typos are practically the same.
Third, it is hard to buy stories from accounts made a day ago, and the only posts from the accounts has been in the thread the person started to garner attention. Check out the thread that the OP started on ffxionline. He joined the forum yesterday, has the convincing sig and stats and all, but all four posts I could find on him were in the 'banned for nuffin' thread. Reeks of sockpuppet and mostly troll to me.
This all seems to me to be someone taking advantage of GM's unpopularity to stir up trouble, and the OP keeps on saying just the right things to keep the drama going.
Edited, Mon Mar 13 14:54:48 2006 by ReiAkari
Quote:
I'm not quite sure what point you are trying to make. But, I've contacted GMs before and never was I asked verification that was an adult or any credit card information.
I wasn't referring to the GMs, and if you put down your rate down button for two seconds and read the thread, you would realize what he was talking about.
The OP is so hellbent on going higher up the ladder. Well someone higher upt he ladder is not gonna respond to some kid whoa ctually plays the game, when they can easily respond to some stupid parnent who doesn't know **** about video games. There's a difference between calling a GM in a game, and threatening to file a suit against someone.
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I've filed a complain with the BBB as well as the Federal Trade Comission.
After filing both I contacted Franko ( not sure his role yet but I'll find out if he calls back )
I contacted POL's Tech Support and that guy was about as big an *** as the GM..
"Ah so you want to speak with our Operations Manager?"
Me: Sure, that'd be great , thanks.
"You do realize your not going to get anything done don't you? "
Me: What do you mean? I'm sure I'll thumb through enough people to get someones attention.
"Dude seriously, your trying to damage our company and it's not going to work"
Me: Hey I could careless about your company I just want to complain about this GM for harassing players.. pretty simple if you ask me.. I've got Franko's direct # let me give him a buzz
After filing both I contacted Franko ( not sure his role yet but I'll find out if he calls back )
I contacted POL's Tech Support and that guy was about as big an *** as the GM..
"Ah so you want to speak with our Operations Manager?"
Me: Sure, that'd be great , thanks.
"You do realize your not going to get anything done don't you? "
Me: What do you mean? I'm sure I'll thumb through enough people to get someones attention.
"Dude seriously, your trying to damage our company and it's not going to work"
Me: Hey I could careless about your company I just want to complain about this GM for harassing players.. pretty simple if you ask me.. I've got Franko's direct # let me give him a buzz
How can any of you read this guys crap and believe it, seriously this is like your 10 year old trying to make up reasons he didnt eat the ice cream.
If anyone has issues with that GM, contact a head GM and get him taken care of. This post however and the stories this guy is making up are hilarious, please read it and actually consider how stupid his posts sound.
Quote:
"Dude seriously, your trying to damage our company and it's not going to work"
I so believe the customer service guy would say that. I know I will get rated down for this but seriously someone needs to say how stupid this story is.
There's a way to prove your telling the truth!!! Remember that one post of a guy who said SE is hacking his comp. They logged all his chats well get into the chats because they are all logged on your computer.... C:\Program Files\PlayOnline\SquareEnix\FINAL FANTASY XI\Temp and there are all your chat logs. So be it may be VERY painstaking to sort throught them but It may be worth it.
Quote:
1UP: So it's mostly Square's show, then...[nervous laughter all around]...It's not to knock Sony's involvement -- we just found it interesting that either you have Square Enix running things, or even odder is you have two halves of Sony administering two different online games, since Sony Online has Everquest Online Adventures. Is it unusual at all for you to be working with a company that's sort of a competitor?
Yasu Kurosawa: Actually, Sony Online Entertainment is a good partner of ours. They handle the U.S. side as far as game masters and the call center, so we work together. They're highly professional on that end.
Yasu Kurosawa: Actually, Sony Online Entertainment is a good partner of ours. They handle the U.S. side as far as game masters and the call center, so we work together. They're highly professional on that end.
So the problem isn't truly with SE. They foot the bill but the guys your talking to in game and at the POL 800 number are on an SoE payroll. I think Just about al the senior staff are SE's peaople though, not 100% sure.
And the reason they were expecting his call and are giving him a hard time is because SoE has people watching this baord, even this thread, and they do not want SE seeing this sort of thing.
/em waits for the next "gm's are great guys" type thread to pop up...And his karma to drop..
Could still be that the OP threw in the name of known bad GM just to make this seem more credible, only way youd know is if ol thndy is really canned.
Edited, Mon Mar 13 16:50:18 2006 by thatdamnelf
edited twice and *still* missed some typoes ><
Edited, Mon Mar 13 17:09:53 2006 by thatdamnelf
ok ive been playing for two years and i have questions
faps..wtf
nuffin
and
bots
never seen any of these in my game EXP
eeryone ive been in contact with including GMs plays fair
Edited, Mon Mar 13 15:46:49 2006 by Ronillio
faps..wtf
nuffin
and
bots
never seen any of these in my game EXP
eeryone ive been in contact with including GMs plays fair
Edited, Mon Mar 13 15:46:49 2006 by Ronillio
Quote:
I'm sorry, guys. I just can not buy into what Yopoompo is feeding this thread.
First, the title is misleading. Last time I checked, a 72-hour suspension is not a ban. Also, for someone so quick to list up SE's contact info, it took the OP an hour before Thunderan's name was even brought into the thread. Questionable as hell to me. If a GM did me wrong, I'd sure as hell have the name in the first post, and many times for emphasis.
Second, the OP lost me with the claim of the GM using ebonics to throw him off. In the log I didn't even see anything remotely close to ebonics, or even netspeak. Just bad grammar and typos. And is it just me, but if you take away the names Thantos and [GM]Thunderan from the log, doesn't it look like it is just one person arguing with himself? The wording of the sentences and typos are practically the same.
Third, it is hard to buy stories from accounts made a day ago, and the only posts from the accounts has been in the thread the person started to garner attention. Check out the thread that the OP started on ffxionline. He joined the forum yesterday, has the convincing sig and stats and all, but all four posts I could find on him were in the 'banned for nuffin' thread. Reeks of sockpuppet and mostly troll to me.
This all seems to me to be someone taking advantage of GM's unpopularity to stir up trouble, and the OP keeps on saying just the right things to keep the drama going.
First, the title is misleading. Last time I checked, a 72-hour suspension is not a ban. Also, for someone so quick to list up SE's contact info, it took the OP an hour before Thunderan's name was even brought into the thread. Questionable as hell to me. If a GM did me wrong, I'd sure as hell have the name in the first post, and many times for emphasis.
Second, the OP lost me with the claim of the GM using ebonics to throw him off. In the log I didn't even see anything remotely close to ebonics, or even netspeak. Just bad grammar and typos. And is it just me, but if you take away the names Thantos and [GM]Thunderan from the log, doesn't it look like it is just one person arguing with himself? The wording of the sentences and typos are practically the same.
Third, it is hard to buy stories from accounts made a day ago, and the only posts from the accounts has been in the thread the person started to garner attention. Check out the thread that the OP started on ffxionline. He joined the forum yesterday, has the convincing sig and stats and all, but all four posts I could find on him were in the 'banned for nuffin' thread. Reeks of sockpuppet and mostly troll to me.
This all seems to me to be someone taking advantage of GM's unpopularity to stir up trouble, and the OP keeps on saying just the right things to keep the drama going.
Bump to second everything Rei has pointed out. This entire "story" is like listening to a 10 year old talk to himself in a mirror. The worst thing is that ridiculous excuse of a conversation piece with the "Dude, blah blah" part. If anything, that just secured the death of any credibility this could possibly stir up. Last bit of proof? Why has he failed to defend himself against those of us who think he's just a trouble making troll?
I want to believe that none of you are buying into this load. Please, help me believe.
#89REDACTED,
Posted: Mar 13 2006 at 4:00 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) No I don't believe him, because anyone can stick a series of numbers in front of something and copy and paste it on here.
Quote:
No I don't believe him, because anyone can stick a series of numbers in front of something and copy and paste it on here.
I trust most of the posters here being the same, but I knew you were one of the good ones. /cookie
Scholar
40 posts
For all those that thought I was lying,
Please apologize below ^.^
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4/ffxiblackout/img_0026.png
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4/ffxiblackout/img_0025.png
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4/ffxiblackout/img_0024.png
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4/ffxiblackout/img_0023.png
Please apologize below ^.^
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4/ffxiblackout/img_0026.png
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4/ffxiblackout/img_0025.png
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4/ffxiblackout/img_0024.png
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4/ffxiblackout/img_0023.png
Hey, that's good news, Yopo.
It sounds like that GM was way out of line. Some people will let even the smallest modicum of power go straight to their heads. I'm glad you got a proper apology. :)
EDIT:
I'm really glad that you took the time to have this reviewed by his supervisor and/or manager. Many people just take their lumps and move on without ever bothering to report bad behavior like this. Hopefully, this sort of thing will be less of a problem in the future.
Edited, Mon Mar 13 16:50:47 2006 by senorcoconut
It sounds like that GM was way out of line. Some people will let even the smallest modicum of power go straight to their heads. I'm glad you got a proper apology. :)
EDIT:
I'm really glad that you took the time to have this reviewed by his supervisor and/or manager. Many people just take their lumps and move on without ever bothering to report bad behavior like this. Hopefully, this sort of thing will be less of a problem in the future.
Edited, Mon Mar 13 16:50:47 2006 by senorcoconut
Erawyn wrote:
Quote:
I want to believe that none of you are buying into this load. Please, help me believe.
No I don't believe him, because anyone can stick a series of numbers in front of something and copy and paste it on here.
Moot point anyway, as apparently the OP has resolved the dispute, and the screenshots again confirm that he wasn't making this up. Of course, I'm sure now the skeptics will say he photoshopped the screenshots.
Yopoompo wrote:
For all those that thought I was lying,
Please apologize below ^.^
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4/ffxiblackout/img_0026.png
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4/ffxiblackout/img_0025.png
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4/ffxiblackout/img_0024.png
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4/ffxiblackout/img_0023.png
Please apologize below ^.^
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4/ffxiblackout/img_0026.png
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4/ffxiblackout/img_0025.png
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4/ffxiblackout/img_0024.png
http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f4/ffxiblackout/img_0023.png
Congratz to you. I hope they wiped the warning off your record.
Scholar
40 posts
http://img71.imageshack.us/img71/9031/img00262yp.th.jpg
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.playonline.com/ff11/developer/voice/08/05.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3DThunderan%2BGM%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official_s%26sa%3DN
Found this while searching about GMs. It's in japanese and was translated but was pretty interesting. It's a rather scary thought to be able to be banned for no reason. I hope this is either dealt with or isn't true.
Found this while searching about GMs. It's in japanese and was translated but was pretty interesting. It's a rather scary thought to be able to be banned for no reason. I hope this is either dealt with or isn't true.
Scholar
40 posts
Yeah,
Franko made it a point of saying that over and over on the phone.
You can't assume all GM's are on the right side.. just take each as they come. If you get a good one go with it, but do not accept harassment from any GM in any form.
it's obvious when it's going over the line. Just follow up on it.
If it wasn't for a post that someone showed me in another forum on who specifically to contact in this matter. I do not think I would have resolved anything.
Franko made it a point of saying that over and over on the phone.
You can't assume all GM's are on the right side.. just take each as they come. If you get a good one go with it, but do not accept harassment from any GM in any form.
it's obvious when it's going over the line. Just follow up on it.
If it wasn't for a post that someone showed me in another forum on who specifically to contact in this matter. I do not think I would have resolved anything.
Scholar
40 posts
Obviously I've proven it's true i just hope it's dealt with.
Edited, Mon Mar 13 17:02:50 2006 by Yopoompo
kaizermach wrote:
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?hl=en&u=http://www.playonline.com/ff11/developer/voice/08/05.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3DThunderan%2BGM%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26safe%3Doff%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official_s%26sa%3DN
Found this while searching about GMs. It's in japanese and was translated but was pretty interesting. It's a rather scary thought to be able to be banned for no reason. I hope this is either dealt with or isn't true.
Found this while searching about GMs. It's in japanese and was translated but was pretty interesting. It's a rather scary thought to be able to be banned for no reason. I hope this is either dealt with or isn't true.
Edited, Mon Mar 13 17:02:50 2006 by Yopoompo
You do realize that you posted pictures that suggest you were using Windower and FFAssist, right?
Your own screenshots show you were using third party software. This could be misconstrued as proof of your guilt
Third Party Software = Violation of ToS
Edited to sound less like a jerk.
Edited, Mon Mar 13 20:04:41 2006 by Taodyn
Your own screenshots show you were using third party software. This could be misconstrued as proof of your guilt
Third Party Software = Violation of ToS
Edited to sound less like a jerk.
Edited, Mon Mar 13 20:04:41 2006 by Taodyn
Quote:
If it wasn't for a post that someone showed me in another forum on who specifically to contact in this matter. I do not think I would have resolved anything.
It's sometimes hard to know what to believe, but your posts rang true to me....and I've read many complaints from other people regarding their dissatisfaction with SE's customer service, so I was beginning to feel concerned.
It's nice to know that they restored your account....but it's very disconcerting that you had to go to such lengths to get the situation taken care of. If it is so difficult for them to allow customers to speak with a senior rep or supervisor, perhaps they should train more of them. I've worked in customer service before, and I've seen my share of good and bad service from both a customer's and an employee's perspective. If I were to believe half of what I've read on these forums (and who's to say I shouldn't?), I'd have to say that the customer service for FFXI ranks among the worst I've ever seen or heard of.
I'd also like to know how the GMs are being held accountable for their actions, given that this guy had been employed for 2+ years and was apparently very confident that he could get away with his treatment of you.
Edited, Mon Mar 13 17:14:10 2006 by shotgn
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