Last night I (ninja 14 warrior 7) was trying to get just a few levels higher. All I really wanted was to get to level 15 then go to bed. I was about half way there, first party seemed ok a little slow do to that there was some down time to let mage heal mp. Dark Knight was second provoker so I could blink tank, and he did a great job. He responded to macro very fast, the only real problem was party could not do enough damage to speed up battles. After about an hour and a half people start droping and once White Mage left party disbanded. I was just about 1k away from level, so put falg up and invite was quick. This is where I should have know better. Second party was near the Highlands zone, killing goblins and lizards. Right there should have left, I know. Being so close to level 15 I decided to tough it out. Big mistake, party make up seemed ok. Me (see above for job and lvl) Thf (14) War (7) so that was my second voke right. Well he did not know what to do. No big deal, just tell him what he needs to do. After 5 fights he got. Rdm (14 no sub job) Whm (14 again no sub job) Blm (14 he was anon, so no idea) and another Rdm ( 14 and again no sub job). Party handled fights ok but the Whm just seemed to be a little bored with his job. When thf ran off to pull whm followed not to heal just to do it. One time he even pulled (scary). He said three or four times he wanted to pull, and he was not kidding. I finaly said no. After another two and half hours I finaly get my level, we slowly mad your way toward beach for snippers but only stayed there a short time. Once I did get lvl whm ran off. This was just my rant! Are good partys harder to come by in lower lvl areas now? Are there that many new players? or are high lvl just bored so they start new characters and ***** around at lower lvls? Pleas don't make Valkrum Dunes any harder, ten levels in one spot, with bad partys tough on anyone
Edited, Thu Dec 23 15:30:55 2004 by TheMinnesotain
Edited, Thu Dec 23 15:34:24 2004 by TheMinnesotain
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a lot of the problem comes from players doing jobs that they have no idea how to operate. Like thieves that attack from the side and red mages that don't know how to enfeable.
that's probably why the dunes are refered to as hell. because you have to put up with people like that. thankfully they rarly make it past the dunes.
that's probably why the dunes are refered to as hell. because you have to put up with people like that. thankfully they rarly make it past the dunes.
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red mages that don't know how to enfeable.
There are too many RDM who don't know how to enfeeble >_< Its almost like BLM who dont know how to nuke and WHM dont know how to cure :/
Please, to all those new RDM, your job is to buff your pt and debuff the mob T_T
There's always Korroloka Tunnel after 15.
Don't be too angry at people at the Dunes. Remember, more than likely the Dunes were the first place you partied when you started, and more than likely you were just as clueless as some people are now, I know that when I think back to it, I didn't even know what Provoke was used for when I was partying at lv 10 WAR, someone had to tell me.
Valkurm Dunes is a training ground for new players. It is where most decide to stop soloing and try their hands at partying, where the real exp is. It can take some time to discover their role in battle, especially if noone explains to them what their role should be. The main attribute to have in hand when you party in the Dunes is patience and tolerance. If a member of your party is unsure of what to do to make their function in the party more effective, more knowledgeable members should be ready to patiently explain to them. If it will mean later down the road they have a better understanding of the game, it's worth it.
However offensive it may sound, perhaps it is the best idea when a party is formed in the Dunes, to ask the party, "If there is anyone who is unsure of what their job does in battle, please let me know, I'm more than happy to explain."
In response, people who are new to the game should NEVER be too shy or stubborn to reply. People just want to help you, they're not trying to suggest you are clueless. ^_~ Open-mindedness on all sides is a MUST when you party in areas known for being Newbie training grounds. ^_^
Valkurm Dunes is a training ground for new players. It is where most decide to stop soloing and try their hands at partying, where the real exp is. It can take some time to discover their role in battle, especially if noone explains to them what their role should be. The main attribute to have in hand when you party in the Dunes is patience and tolerance. If a member of your party is unsure of what to do to make their function in the party more effective, more knowledgeable members should be ready to patiently explain to them. If it will mean later down the road they have a better understanding of the game, it's worth it.
However offensive it may sound, perhaps it is the best idea when a party is formed in the Dunes, to ask the party, "If there is anyone who is unsure of what their job does in battle, please let me know, I'm more than happy to explain."
In response, people who are new to the game should NEVER be too shy or stubborn to reply. People just want to help you, they're not trying to suggest you are clueless. ^_~ Open-mindedness on all sides is a MUST when you party in areas known for being Newbie training grounds. ^_^
I agree with Psy. I think some people choose to forget that there are new players to this game everyday and there aren't any magic rays that project everything you need to know about x job into your brain. The only people who haven't started at lvl 1 are the people who buy accounts so cut the new players some slack.
Something else to remeber is, that even though you may be a high level person starting a new job, it is exactly that a "NEW" job. While you have the experiance of the game behind you, the job itself is still new. And even though you've had the time to see the job in action, it is still new to you. Every job brings a new way of playing the game, and that has to be learned just as you did with your very first job. This is not directed at anyone in particular, and in fact most who posted in this topic already all seem to show the same respect and intelligence that I'm asking others to seek.
Just pointing out as, I myself, and leveling some new jobs in the dunes.. We're all newbies in one way or another in the dunes. Pherhaps this will help us all remember to be patient with each other. Thank you to the OP for demonstrating that.
Just pointing out as, I myself, and leveling some new jobs in the dunes.. We're all newbies in one way or another in the dunes. Pherhaps this will help us all remember to be patient with each other. Thank you to the OP for demonstrating that.
agreed. We were all n00bs at one time. But hey When ur a rank 6 with full subs and the leader is rank 1 and no sub, no offense to anyone like that, but lend an Ear the voice of experience.
The Dunes = Going along with to get along with. If you want the experience of rank 5+ in your parties at least listen and learn from experience.
Thats all.
The Dunes = Going along with to get along with. If you want the experience of rank 5+ in your parties at least listen and learn from experience.
Thats all.
Scholar
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Given that they don't have any sub-jobs I'm guessing that they're new players completely. I've been in a few parties who neglect people if they don't have a sub job - whether it was because of the potential benefits or lack of knowledge I'm not too sure!
Granted, I've only just got my sub (i'm in the UK) and have just come out of the dunes to Quifim, but I levelled my BLM from 10-18 and my RDM from 18-20 there without a dying once. Most of the parties have been standard, one or two have been really enjoyable (I'm still talking to people from them) and I've had a couple of terrible ones - disbanded after 20 minutes, 1000exp in an hour and a half, etc. Ultimately, I guess it's just the luck of the draw.
Granted, I've only just got my sub (i'm in the UK) and have just come out of the dunes to Quifim, but I levelled my BLM from 10-18 and my RDM from 18-20 there without a dying once. Most of the parties have been standard, one or two have been really enjoyable (I'm still talking to people from them) and I've had a couple of terrible ones - disbanded after 20 minutes, 1000exp in an hour and a half, etc. Ultimately, I guess it's just the luck of the draw.
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I had horrible parties today in the Dunes. Utterly horrifying, a WHM with a WAR sub, a Mithra PLD with a Tunic, and leathers rocking a GS that was utterly useless. A damn NIN without Utsusemi tanked longer then they did, a disgrace! Then there was the PT I was in with the PLD using a club and a footman's tunic(AGAIN!) and he was pulling, the WAR with no sub tanking! Should I mention the RDM/THF that never enfeebled or cured, only nuked and attacked with a Wax Sword? Of the 4 parties all day I partied with, only 1 ... 1 person had no sub. Most of these parties consisted of rank 3+ players, most of them advanced jobs except for mages. It's become out of control, rank 5's with the whole attitude "We're only 10-12, not much we can do" DECENT equip would be a starter. I'm sorry, when I see a rank 5 leveling PLD with a tunic and GS, only to hit 11 and equip a Doublet, you need to go back to whatever your main is and just stop there. You know who you are too. All in all .... Dunes has become almost a liability on our server, I LOST exp today, with 5 hours of partying as a BRD! Went in as a 10 with 500 tnl, and now currently 1.5k tnl. ><
I dont mind pt'n with non subbed players. Met some goods one. I was there once and I listened to the voice of experience.
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I am one of those players with no subs wandering around the dunes, simply because i dont have a skull yet. Do i have some idea of what a WHM should do: Of course. Why? cause i did my homework on the game? ya...but theres always that person thats kind enough to deal with newbish and lend a hand. I think its kinda sad how alot of people think newbs should be Quarintined (sp?) hehe, with out the newbs the game would die off quickly, and that newb could end up being one of the greatest players on your sever eventually, go figure.
On the side of the people who hate newbs, i had a really horrible war in my party today. Have any of you watched the FFXI flash Part one in the Karg's video library? I think i lived that. He didnt know how to SC, when he claimed he did, placed his TP macro with the annoying noise over and over again, even while we rested. Those are the kind of people i can do with out.
Or some one helped them grow up..
On the side of the people who hate newbs, i had a really horrible war in my party today. Have any of you watched the FFXI flash Part one in the Karg's video library? I think i lived that. He didnt know how to SC, when he claimed he did, placed his TP macro with the annoying noise over and over again, even while we rested. Those are the kind of people i can do with out.
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thankfully they rarly make it past the dunes.
Or some one helped them grow up..
Surprisingly, I took my thf to the Dunes this past week and had a pretty good experience. I hadn't leveled there in a while so I was a bit skeptical on what it would be like, but I got some really great parties.
Alot of new players that I teamed up with were willing and open for suggestions on improving their play, and I was pretty shocked ^^ Maybe I was just lucky this time around... ? Met alot of nice people as well.
Alot of new players that I teamed up with were willing and open for suggestions on improving their play, and I was pretty shocked ^^ Maybe I was just lucky this time around... ? Met alot of nice people as well.
I don't mind the dunes, and actually like partying with the newbies, most of the time. The majority of them are nice and are thankful for the advice you give them ^^ Of course, there's always the bad parties.. Now Yuhtunga.. There's a horrible place.. It's actually gotten WORSE since I've been there last O,o
It may have to do with that experienced players don't want to go back. The Dunes aren't the only place to lvl, and niether is the Jungle. It is just that way since people are lazy, and they can go there instead of spending the time figuring out another place. Before Zilart, people still managed to get past lvl 32. You just have to put a little more effort into it.
That is the main difference between a Japanese party, and an American party. Japanese seem to get more xp because they take the time to make a good party, and figure out the best place to go. Americans generally go to the normal fast-track zones, get a faster start, and make some experience.
Over time, it evens out I bet.
But, not everyone needs to go to the same zone. It is impossible for the Dunes or the Jungle to sustain hundreds of people all looking for the same spawns. So take a little bit of time, and try to find a new place to go, a new adventure to see. Spend some time now, so that in the Future, you don't have to.
And for dear god, let people know when you plan to zone a huge train. -Muon
That is the main difference between a Japanese party, and an American party. Japanese seem to get more xp because they take the time to make a good party, and figure out the best place to go. Americans generally go to the normal fast-track zones, get a faster start, and make some experience.
Over time, it evens out I bet.
But, not everyone needs to go to the same zone. It is impossible for the Dunes or the Jungle to sustain hundreds of people all looking for the same spawns. So take a little bit of time, and try to find a new place to go, a new adventure to see. Spend some time now, so that in the Future, you don't have to.
And for dear god, let people know when you plan to zone a huge train. -Muon
I agree with most of the replies. I like the dunes because I also like helping people to become better players. It only takes a few mins to explain things to newbies and most of them thank me for the advice and rember me so that the next time I'm LFG leveling my sub or another job I don't have to wait as long to find a party.
To help make the dunes a better place, try taking a moment to explain to a party member how to improve their performance. I use the /tell chat mode because sometime people feel that you have called them out if you correct them in /party chat. If they do not like your advice, thats fine, a least you tried.
To help make the dunes a better place, try taking a moment to explain to a party member how to improve their performance. I use the /tell chat mode because sometime people feel that you have called them out if you correct them in /party chat. If they do not like your advice, thats fine, a least you tried.
The dunes is a learning ground, really. I know I nomrally don't party in La'Thien, The Canyon, and The Highlands before I go to the dunes.
Heck, I didn't know what I was suppose to do when I joined my first party there. I have had some really good parties in the Dunes, as rare as they come. Though, I've been in parties where teh WHMs melee and don't cure and let me die (I've tanked alot and lost alot of EXP while everyone else gained levels). MOst people in the dunes don't know how to play with a Paladin. I've tanked with no MP and teh Mages wonder why they get hit. I've also been in one party wheree teh BLM kept on spamming spells. I kept on telling the BLM not to spam spells (then I had to explain what spamming was), he/she still did it, and nearly died a bunch of times.
So, the dunes is a learning experience. If you want to avoid turmoil, start your own group and speicify what you look for (ie high ranks, people in you LS, people you partied with before and you liked, etc.).
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Tell that to all the other non-rdms please. They all think that RDMs can only be WHMs.
Heck, I didn't know what I was suppose to do when I joined my first party there. I have had some really good parties in the Dunes, as rare as they come. Though, I've been in parties where teh WHMs melee and don't cure and let me die (I've tanked alot and lost alot of EXP while everyone else gained levels). MOst people in the dunes don't know how to play with a Paladin. I've tanked with no MP and teh Mages wonder why they get hit. I've also been in one party wheree teh BLM kept on spamming spells. I kept on telling the BLM not to spam spells (then I had to explain what spamming was), he/she still did it, and nearly died a bunch of times.
So, the dunes is a learning experience. If you want to avoid turmoil, start your own group and speicify what you look for (ie high ranks, people in you LS, people you partied with before and you liked, etc.).
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Please, to all those new RDM, your job is to buff your pt and debuff the mob T_T
Tell that to all the other non-rdms please. They all think that RDMs can only be WHMs.
Perhaps it's time we define the title of "newbie", as there are lot of people who view it solely as a derogative term.
A Newbie is someone who is inexperienced, and in many cases, low on knowledge of a given topic. This does not mean "Green and Stupid", but simply means that due to lack of informative contact they are more unaware of their roles than more experienced players would be.
A simply, and quite fair, way of looking at this, is to say that we are all Newbies, even the most experienced players switching to a job they have not leveled before. Without first-hand experience, without finding yourself a good balance of your abilities and roles, you are scarcely better off than someone new to the game entirely, even though you may know the theory behind each of your actions.
I admit, I am always disturbed to hear someone saying, "Stupid n00b didn't know how to tank!" or similar phrases. It is unfair judgement, dragging down the default title given to anyone without subjobs, or low in level. It is a collective term, and should be treated as such. You would not say "Stupid lv 10!" because you know that not all lv 10 characters act as terribly.
Ranting now, kinda tired. But do keep in mind; Respect, Patience, and Caring makes a good community. ^_^
A Newbie is someone who is inexperienced, and in many cases, low on knowledge of a given topic. This does not mean "Green and Stupid", but simply means that due to lack of informative contact they are more unaware of their roles than more experienced players would be.
A simply, and quite fair, way of looking at this, is to say that we are all Newbies, even the most experienced players switching to a job they have not leveled before. Without first-hand experience, without finding yourself a good balance of your abilities and roles, you are scarcely better off than someone new to the game entirely, even though you may know the theory behind each of your actions.
I admit, I am always disturbed to hear someone saying, "Stupid n00b didn't know how to tank!" or similar phrases. It is unfair judgement, dragging down the default title given to anyone without subjobs, or low in level. It is a collective term, and should be treated as such. You would not say "Stupid lv 10!" because you know that not all lv 10 characters act as terribly.
Ranting now, kinda tired. But do keep in mind; Respect, Patience, and Caring makes a good community. ^_^
Did a couple of parties yesterday and made one too.
Didn't have too much difficulty and was able to make 2 lvl out of this (now 20blm/10whm)
I made a party though and I was seeking for members, I saw a 20mnk/7blm and a 19war/9whm, those were the only ppl seeking. We waited cause it's worth it to wait for a good party.
I just don't understand why people have those sub...war/whm is great for soloing but in a party...dunno.
Didn't have too much difficulty and was able to make 2 lvl out of this (now 20blm/10whm)
I made a party though and I was seeking for members, I saw a 20mnk/7blm and a 19war/9whm, those were the only ppl seeking. We waited cause it's worth it to wait for a good party.
I just don't understand why people have those sub...war/whm is great for soloing but in a party...dunno.
Akya {Mithra}
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WHM NIN DRG 75, SMN 72...
Some say there's a distinction between a "newb" and a "n00b/noob." The first "newb," as Psylight said earlier, is... Ack, hold on... I'm lazy. QUOTE.
"N00b/noob" is something else entirely, or so rumor has it. A n00b would be someone who's plays for a good long time on the game, but still hasn't learned a thing, and they tend to act like idiots. If you think you may be one... Ask questions, I tell you!
TheMinnesotain, about your second PT there... I think you had a couple of newbies grouped with you. Don't worry... 1/4 of those will grow to be a n00b, another 1/4 will be uber, and the other 2/4ths will be decent. /nod
Don't mind me. Lack of sleep... Minnesotain? I-I'm a Minnesotan... Where did that second "i" come from, hun? o.o;
And HIIIIIIIII Psylight.
Edit: I spelled "still" wrong. ^.~ Tired!
Edited, Sun Jan 9 09:25:15 2005 by Kaahi
Psylight wrote:
A Newbie is someone who is inexperienced, and in many cases, low on knowledge of a given topic. This does not mean "Green and Stupid", but simply means that due to lack of informative contact they are more unaware of their roles than more experienced players would be.
"N00b/noob" is something else entirely, or so rumor has it. A n00b would be someone who's plays for a good long time on the game, but still hasn't learned a thing, and they tend to act like idiots. If you think you may be one... Ask questions, I tell you!
TheMinnesotain, about your second PT there... I think you had a couple of newbies grouped with you. Don't worry... 1/4 of those will grow to be a n00b, another 1/4 will be uber, and the other 2/4ths will be decent. /nod
Don't mind me. Lack of sleep... Minnesotain? I-I'm a Minnesotan... Where did that second "i" come from, hun? o.o;
And HIIIIIIIII Psylight.
Edit: I spelled "still" wrong. ^.~ Tired!
Edited, Sun Jan 9 09:25:15 2005 by Kaahi
I can completely agree with not getting angry with people for mistakes, gear, etc. It is the lack of common sense that begins the spark of aggitation. Then it's the fact that alot of new people do not, and will not, listen to helpful advise from anyone.
Then there are the people from the oposite end. People that have other jobs at high levels and begin to think of themselves as being better then everyone else. They make it like being in the military.
These are the types of people that make Valkurm unbearable and miserable. Luckily, by level 20, alot of these people are weeded out and quit, or finally realize that they have acted stupidly, and try to better themselves as the next wave of people dump into the dunes.
Then there are the people from the oposite end. People that have other jobs at high levels and begin to think of themselves as being better then everyone else. They make it like being in the military.
These are the types of people that make Valkurm unbearable and miserable. Luckily, by level 20, alot of these people are weeded out and quit, or finally realize that they have acted stupidly, and try to better themselves as the next wave of people dump into the dunes.
We could always make a thread - Who needs to party in the Dunes -
And so, we could arrange for us people to make out nice parties ^^
I know I had an awesome party yesterday, went from whm lvl 13 to lvl 19 (1.2k tnl or something)
All were experienced people who knew their stuff :) and they also helped me improve and told me hints as for how to play better.
I got a thf lvl 10 if anyone needs to party I can always bring it along.
nm thief, my war is not high lvl enough >< to be its sub...unless you ppl want a thf/whm or a thf/blm
Edited, Mon Jan 10 11:32:49 2005 by akya
And so, we could arrange for us people to make out nice parties ^^
I know I had an awesome party yesterday, went from whm lvl 13 to lvl 19 (1.2k tnl or something)
All were experienced people who knew their stuff :) and they also helped me improve and told me hints as for how to play better.
I got a thf lvl 10 if anyone needs to party I can always bring it along.
nm thief, my war is not high lvl enough >< to be its sub...unless you ppl want a thf/whm or a thf/blm
Edited, Mon Jan 10 11:32:49 2005 by akya
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/cheer Psylight!
She's right. People stop being harsh and mean. It's the Dunes for crying out loud LOL people die on a daily basis and it's supposed to be fun-zone. Older experienced players will get their laughs, new players will be fools and laugh at their own experiences. It's all about learning whether you're a 55 RDM or a newbie no?
And if you're a 55 RDM chastising a newbie instead of being helpful to him, shame on you!
But be optimistic...I DLVLed and RLVLed from 13-14 6 times. And as a 38ish BRD I think I DLVLed and RLVLed almost 8 times.
Dying gives you more opportunity to max out your skills. If they're already maxed...aww man..!
She's right. People stop being harsh and mean. It's the Dunes for crying out loud LOL people die on a daily basis and it's supposed to be fun-zone. Older experienced players will get their laughs, new players will be fools and laugh at their own experiences. It's all about learning whether you're a 55 RDM or a newbie no?
And if you're a 55 RDM chastising a newbie instead of being helpful to him, shame on you!
But be optimistic...I DLVLed and RLVLed from 13-14 6 times. And as a 38ish BRD I think I DLVLed and RLVLed almost 8 times.
Dying gives you more opportunity to max out your skills. If they're already maxed...aww man..!
Scholar
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I figured not only Valkurm Dunes have this kind of problem tho. Those areas for xp pt till level 30s have some messed up parties too such as Qufim, Yuhtunga and Yhoator. Even some people at level 50s still do not really understand what is the role of their jobs.
Believe me I have met many people like that. PLD who did not use Flash and used Berserk instead at level 55, BRD who did not like to sing, WHM who would like to nuke using Holy, and THF who did not want to pull and let a MNK pulled the mob, and a lot more.
I don't know how they could level to 50s without knowing the main role of their own job. It could be possible.. they don't care about it or it might be just someone's else account.
However, I would like to make a point here to all those nice Power-Levelers out-there. I know you guys were trying to be nice by power-levelling the new players so they could level faster or they might be your real-life friends.
But in my opinion, we should not power-level those new players (those without subjob at least) especially the ones who played as a tanker or healer. Let them learn it the hardway. If you power-level them, the tank will never be able to learn on how to hold hate, and the healer will never be able to learn on how to conserv MP and heal the pt members whenever it is needed.
When I just started this game about a year ago, Valkurm Dunes were not as bad as now and once you stepped at level 20+ in Qufim, people were starting to get the point of their own role. But now, at 30s or even 50s for some people, they still did not know what their roles in an xp party. Well, they know.. PLD will be a tanker, WHM or RDM or maybe SMN will be a healer. But it's the matter of their skill on how to play their own roles. For example, PLD must know how to hold hate, what magic or job abilities they need to perform in order to hold hate and get hit less harder.
And about the point for teaching those new players in Valkurm Dunes, I would agree with that somehow IF they want to listen.
But sadly, many of them have the thought "I trust my own skill and I know my job. I don't need to listen to you".
I would like to share one of the experiences I got in Valkurm Dunes when I was levelling my low level job.
This guy was playing as a level 10 Warrior with Ninja sub. I said to him "Please use your Provoke everytime it is available which is about every 30 seconds". I said this because I noticed for many battles he did not use it till the mob started to run to the mages and hit the mages then he would use his provoke. Instead of taking my advice by showing his effort to try to provoke every 30 seconds, he slammed at me and said "how long have you played this game?" After I told him my /playtime which is about 150 days. He kept quiet for a sec and then said "good.. and you don't know what provoke does. are you a dumb?" He said he will only provoke if the mob started to move to the mages and it would be fine to turn to other melees since melees are doing close combat.
Well, we got into a stupid argument over the provoke thing since I could not take it as I tried to give an advice and being slammed back with "Are you a dumb?"
And after a couple more battles, I left that pt coz I died way too many times by tanking as a monk because I tried to protect the mages from the mobs so many times while the war just seemed like did not care much about to try to get the hate from me. I got a minus xp from that pt tho. I would get my xp much faster by solo-ing an even match mob or so.
I would be more than happy to give advices to those new players if they are willing to listen to me.
What I mean by giving advices is to tell them in a nice way and good manner not by using vulgarity or bossy way, for example: "Please use your Provoke everytime it is available which should be every 30 seconds." instead of telling them in this way "USE UR PROVOKE, NOOB!!!"
Just my opinions. Thanks for reading.
Sorry for any mispells and grammar errors. ^^
Believe me I have met many people like that. PLD who did not use Flash and used Berserk instead at level 55, BRD who did not like to sing, WHM who would like to nuke using Holy, and THF who did not want to pull and let a MNK pulled the mob, and a lot more.
I don't know how they could level to 50s without knowing the main role of their own job. It could be possible.. they don't care about it or it might be just someone's else account.
However, I would like to make a point here to all those nice Power-Levelers out-there. I know you guys were trying to be nice by power-levelling the new players so they could level faster or they might be your real-life friends.
But in my opinion, we should not power-level those new players (those without subjob at least) especially the ones who played as a tanker or healer. Let them learn it the hardway. If you power-level them, the tank will never be able to learn on how to hold hate, and the healer will never be able to learn on how to conserv MP and heal the pt members whenever it is needed.
When I just started this game about a year ago, Valkurm Dunes were not as bad as now and once you stepped at level 20+ in Qufim, people were starting to get the point of their own role. But now, at 30s or even 50s for some people, they still did not know what their roles in an xp party. Well, they know.. PLD will be a tanker, WHM or RDM or maybe SMN will be a healer. But it's the matter of their skill on how to play their own roles. For example, PLD must know how to hold hate, what magic or job abilities they need to perform in order to hold hate and get hit less harder.
And about the point for teaching those new players in Valkurm Dunes, I would agree with that somehow IF they want to listen.
But sadly, many of them have the thought "I trust my own skill and I know my job. I don't need to listen to you".
I would like to share one of the experiences I got in Valkurm Dunes when I was levelling my low level job.
This guy was playing as a level 10 Warrior with Ninja sub. I said to him "Please use your Provoke everytime it is available which is about every 30 seconds". I said this because I noticed for many battles he did not use it till the mob started to run to the mages and hit the mages then he would use his provoke. Instead of taking my advice by showing his effort to try to provoke every 30 seconds, he slammed at me and said "how long have you played this game?" After I told him my /playtime which is about 150 days. He kept quiet for a sec and then said "good.. and you don't know what provoke does. are you a dumb?" He said he will only provoke if the mob started to move to the mages and it would be fine to turn to other melees since melees are doing close combat.
Well, we got into a stupid argument over the provoke thing since I could not take it as I tried to give an advice and being slammed back with "Are you a dumb?"
And after a couple more battles, I left that pt coz I died way too many times by tanking as a monk because I tried to protect the mages from the mobs so many times while the war just seemed like did not care much about to try to get the hate from me. I got a minus xp from that pt tho. I would get my xp much faster by solo-ing an even match mob or so.
I would be more than happy to give advices to those new players if they are willing to listen to me.
What I mean by giving advices is to tell them in a nice way and good manner not by using vulgarity or bossy way, for example: "Please use your Provoke everytime it is available which should be every 30 seconds." instead of telling them in this way "USE UR PROVOKE, NOOB!!!"
Just my opinions. Thanks for reading.
Sorry for any mispells and grammar errors. ^^
well most of the people who are rdm with no sub at that job think "hey rdm has black and white spells, that means they are better then other mages"
i'm so pissed of people thinking rdm can heal the party, so they'll try to start a party with rdm healer whem at this level rdm is more of a DD...they should debuff and buff yes but they need a good sword and shield to help DD on the creature
i'm so pissed of people thinking rdm can heal the party, so they'll try to start a party with rdm healer whem at this level rdm is more of a DD...they should debuff and buff yes but they need a good sword and shield to help DD on the creature
RDM isn't really that great at buffing their PT. That's a WHM's job. They are great, however, at buffing themselves.
Yes, RDMs should be enfeebling though...
Yes, RDMs should be enfeebling though...
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