these gloves are great to macro in for meditate, other than that, there is better i stick with JSE for TPing and +str bracelets for WS. I don't think there is a difference between these and Saotome Kote for meditate, although I only used the NQs for 2 days before I got these, so I could be wrong. with these and Myochin Kabuto it is possible to get between 140%-200% tp from a single meditate. bloody annoying when you only get 140% tho >.> only once have I not been able to get 300% tp from 2 meditates.
Attack +12 is good, but there are gloves out there with alot more (Hmmmm Okote, bandomusha kote, horomusha kote for starters), thus making these bad to melee in.
Why do I still lie awake at night hoping to get these? They increase the duration of metitate the same amount as the Myochin Kabuto. Which means, if you have both of them equipped when you activate meditate, you will get Even MORE Tp from it. Individually, these or the kabuto will take your 100% to 120-140%. With both on, these take your meditate to 140%-160% and, if you're very lucky indeed, sporadic 180%'s because of how the tick system works.